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[bo_7md]

estebanus wrote...



The same reason that you can breathe in the hangar of TIM's lair.
It's pretty obvious that the citadel has Mass Effect fields that can keep the air in. That is also the reason why so many people can live in the wards.
This reminds me of a codex entry about Mass accelerator weapons. It states, that if a hunk of metal would be too fast, it would just fly straight through a ship, causing minimal damage. Why isn't the air sucked out there? Answer: Mass effect fields are activated to keep the oxygen inside the ship!

There we go peoplez. Thanx Estebanus!

[Kadayi]

I like the effort put into the theory. There's a lot of thought behind it, however the huge flaw for me is that it effectively means nothing has changed in terms of the real narrative. If Shepard is flat out feet away from the beam and dreams the entire thing, then even if he/she wakes up the reaper menace still hasn't been dealt with, the Citadel still hasn't been stormed & the crucible still hasn't been deployed. It's a false ending in effect, and doesn't bring a conclusion to the real events.

One has to assume that Shepard goes actually make it on board the Citadel and ends the reaper threat for the real narrative to conclude. Whether Anderson and TIM are in fact manifestations of a weakened Shepard's imagination, and whether the ghost child is in fact say a projection by Harbinger attempting to hoodwink Shepard into killing him/herself using his memories rather than manually trigger the crucible (given the crucible didn't engage from the actual control panel) are all viable options. However from a storyline perspective of resolving the central over arching conflict of defeating the reapers. One has to presume that in one way or another Shepard succeeds in that goal.

That's certainly not to say that the endings as they are need to stand up (I find the magic wand synthesis option particularly offensive), and I don't think there's any real necessity for the mass relays to be obliterated as a resultant (it seems a wholly unnecessary requirement save to curtail future ME games). But certainly the conclusion to the storyline should be one where the reapers are defeated in some manner, whether that be through their control, destruction or banishment.

Saying that though. Personally I'd happily have the reapers just be defeated and avoid going down the midi-clorian route of explaining their unfathomableness, and reducing them to little more than timed intergalactic vaccumn cleaners. 

Modifié par Kadayi, 29 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[RoyalGambit]

Don't know if it has been mentioned, but the IGN spoilercast actually seems to support indoc theory. I know that doesn't really matter, but think it's nice to see that they "get it".

[Gernbuster]

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

[Stigweird85]

Rifneno wrote...

bigstig wrote...

It's the double standard that gets me, for example at the start of ME3 if Kaiden lives you visit him and hospital and see full man nipples in high definiation. Visit Ashley and she is wearing what looks like a standard issue miltary t-shirt. I wasn't expecting topless(underwear perhaps) just seems a little bit of a double standard to me.

Bioware seems to have toned down the whole "sex" aspect of games ever since Fox propaganda went on a crusade against them. Personally it was their tirade against it that made me go out and buy it in the first place.

It's a pathetic point I know. I have a problem but the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem

Ironic since other games tend to be getting more explicit in that regard. In Witcher 2 you actually got an eyefull of bush on a few occasions. And it only got an M rating too.
Most nonsensical romance scene in ME3 was definitely femShep & Traynor. Who showers with a bra and panties on?! FFS, if you don't want to show those parts, just keep the camera off them.

As yes the over the bra fondle. Bioware are experts in this What I don't get, the game isn't PG it's a 15 (at least in the UK) You watch a 15 rated movie and you will probably get a lot of profanity or at least an obligatory t!t shot. Not really looking for hardcore nudity but I always thought compared to Mass Effect 1 everything else was pretty tame.

Actually scratch that I WANT hardcode nudity.  

[Vahilor]

Hit by the beam he also could have been thrown some yards away =)

And Space Magic is allways a solution, ask Space kid XD

[NS Wizdum]

Kadayi wrote...

I like the effort put into the theory. There's a lot of thought behind it, however the huge flaw for me is that it effectively means nothing has changed in terms of the real narrative. If Shepard is flat out feet away from the beam and dreams the entire thing, then even if he/she wakes up the reaper menace still hasn't been dealt with, the Citadel still hasn't been stormed & the crucible still hasn't been deployed. It's a false ending in effect, and doesn't bring a conclusion to the real events.

One has to assume that Shepard goes actually make it on board the Citadel and ends the reaper threat for the real narrative to conclude. Whether Anderson and TIM are in fact manifestations of a weakened Shepard's imagination, and whether the ghost child is in fact say a projection by Harbinger attempting to hoodwink Shepard into killing him/herself using his memories rather than manually trigger the crucible (given the crucible didn't engage from the actual control panel) are all viable options. However from a storyline perspective of resolving the central over arching conflict of defeating the reapers. One has to presume that in one way or another Shepard succeeds in that goal.

That's certainly not to say that the endings as they are need to stand up (I find the magic wand synthesis option particularly offensive), and I don't think there's any real necessity for the mass relays to be obliterated as a resultant (it seems a wholly unnecessary requirement save to curtail future ME games). But certainly the conclusion to the storyline should be one where the reapers are defeated in some manner, whether that be through their control, destruction or banishment.

The theory is that Shepard wakes up, jumps into the beam, and continues to kick the reapers out of the place. Additional content would be added by unlocking files on the disc, or by download. The theory is not saying that shepard just wakes up, reapers are still there, game ends. That would be stupid.

Editied for content.

Modifié par NS Wizdum, 29 mars 2012 - 12:18 .

[kyg_20X6]

bo_7md wrote...

estebanus wrote...



The same reason that you can breathe in the hangar of TIM's lair.
It's pretty obvious that the citadel has Mass Effect fields that can keep the air in. That is also the reason why so many people can live in the wards.
This reminds me of a codex entry about Mass accelerator weapons. It states, that if a hunk of metal would be too fast, it would just fly straight through a ship, causing minimal damage. Why isn't the air sucked out there? Answer: Mass effect fields are activated to keep the oxygen inside the ship!

There we go peoplez. Thanx Estebanus!

Difference is, those areas are meant to be habitated. Where you end up with Starchild, not so much. In fact, you're the first person ever to be there (according to the little ****) and I assume, when the Citadel was built, the mass effect fields weren't extended over that area just in case some organics built a superweapon that connects to the citadel at that point, come up to activate, forget their suits, and the Catalyst feels chatty.

[bo_7md]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Erm..O.K for people who keep saying the breath scene proves it, you relise that even with all other endings he is still alive right ? He would be indoctrinated, but alive! The only reason you see the breath scene is that it fits only in the destroy your body isn't dissolved like the other 2 endings.

Logically speaking, it proves I.T is wrong.

MadRabbit999 wrote...


There is no way in hell he would
be able to survive that explosion and then fall down into earth
atmosphere without helmet or armour.... he got BADDLY mushed up when he
died the first time... and that was with full armour and helmet.... now
he is beaten up, with almost no armour and no helmet... not even Shepard
or Jesus would survive that.

Realistically speaking the space
vacum would blow his body up before freezing it, then earth atmosphere
would disintegrate it.. and even if he survived to this point, he would
ahve to survive a vertical fall of 30 miles? (I cannot remember the
distance between ground and the end of atmosphere)

They both make no sense.. but at least with the IT one...it's  slightly less space magic than the first one

OMG.... you are totaly right shepard wouldn't be able to with stand say the normandy exploding with him still inside and get out of it without a scratch.... like in this video here:

source   www.youtube.com/watch?v=43XPDrrx9C0

On a serious note that explosion we saw in the Citadel, The conduit one, is too small to kill him it lasted no more than 3 seconds go back and see for yourself. The second explosion if it was as big as it seems the citadel would have dismantled from the centre not just the arms.

The current ending has plot holes, yes. The doesn't mean ill take an explanation with more problems in it, at least with the current ending you can put some reason behind them.

In fact they (Cerberus) stated that the only thing that made possible Shepard's resurrection was his/her helmet, the rest of the body was... *coughs*... /%$%$!"·@  So, it's not possible to survive that way again.

That was the fall not the explosion, keep watching after the explosion he is alive and kicking what killed him is
1- his air supply was cut.
2- the fall to earth.
Now in the Citadel, assuming it did fall down and the scene wasn't on the citadel itself, his body would be protected by the structe.

if you are saying its the vaccum thing, then here you go



Soverign made a bighole in the dome air/oxygen sucked out ? No.
Why ?
who knows!

Three words about the air/oxygen part. Mass effect fields. They probably have those in place so a random breach dosent kill the Council, but as we clearly see only minutes before Shepard tells his squad to put helmets on before walking out on to the Citadel tower clearly menaing there is no air there.

And Protected by the structure? Even if that was possible, that for some reason he did not go flying away from the structure as the artificial gravity stopped (it is kept up by the Citadels rotation) he would die as all Mass Effect fields set out from lack of power and then still get mashed into fine paste upon impact. That is if he survived the explosion of the citadel in the first place.

Also guess why Shepards air supply was cut in the Normandy explosion...oh right, suit rupture from the Explosion...and it is not Earth he is falling towards either...

Sorry missed this post..

I'm talking about survivable from the explosion unharmed, I already stated he died because of the suit rupture.

Yes he might have been flung out to space, but he is still with in a somewhat enclosed structre. It is still possible he didn't, but again i'm not arguing that the citadel fell to earth.

Yes i relise that i just don't know the name of the planet he fell to.

[Denvian]

Rob_K1 wrote...


I still believe Shepard was shown breathing on Earth and never left, but I do think there is a possible case for him breathing on the Citadel. (Or landing on Earth with the rubble of the Citadel surrounding him no matter how nonsensical it might seem.)

See this video.

It really just focuses on the rubble, Earth rebar and the tubes on the Citadel to try and disprove the theory.

Wow that video got 103 dislikes and only 13 likes.

I hate when people use the phrase, "The only explaination is..."  It makes people sound like a tool.  The creator of the video uses it like 3 times... 

Modifié par Denvian, 29 mars 2012 - 12:24 .

[Kadayi]

NS Wizdum wrote...

The theory is that Shepard wakes up, jumps into the beam, and kicks ass. Additional content would be added by unlocking files on the disc, or by download. The theory is not saying that shepard just wakes up, reapers are still there, game ends. That would be stupid.

Well based on the last video I saw the gist seemed to be that everything is a dream, up until the end when if you take the destroy option you wake up. 

[bo_7md]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

estebanus wrote...



The same reason that you can breathe in the hangar of TIM's lair.
It's pretty obvious that the citadel has Mass Effect fields that can keep the air in. That is also the reason why so many people can live in the wards.
This reminds me of a codex entry about Mass accelerator weapons. It states, that if a hunk of metal would be too fast, it would just fly straight through a ship, causing minimal damage. Why isn't the air sucked out there? Answer: Mass effect fields are activated to keep the oxygen inside the ship!

There we go peoplez. Thanx Estebanus!

Difference is, those areas are meant to be habitated. Where you end up with Starchild, not so much. In fact, you're the first person ever to be there (according to the little ****) and I assume, when the Citadel was built, the mass effect fields weren't extended over that area just in case some organics built a superweapon that connects to the citadel at that point, come up to activate, forget their suits, and the Catalyst feels chatty.

That would depend on where you see him standing with the child & the extent of the me field maintained in the centre.

[estebanus]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

estebanus wrote...



The same reason that you can breathe in the hangar of TIM's lair.
It's pretty obvious that the citadel has Mass Effect fields that can keep the air in. That is also the reason why so many people can live in the wards.
This reminds me of a codex entry about Mass accelerator weapons. It states, that if a hunk of metal would be too fast, it would just fly straight through a ship, causing minimal damage. Why isn't the air sucked out there? Answer: Mass effect fields are activated to keep the oxygen inside the ship!

There we go peoplez. Thanx Estebanus!

Difference is, those areas are meant to be habitated. Where you end up with Starchild, not so much. In fact, you're the first person ever to be there (according to the little ****) and I assume, when the Citadel was built, the mass effect fields weren't extended over that area just in case some organics built a superweapon that connects to the citadel at that point, come up to activate, forget their suits, and the Catalyst feels chatty.

 

I think you misunderstood my post. I was not agreeing with him at all. The mass effect fields would obviously shut down immediately if the citadel is destroyed! plus, since the citadel is destroyed, that means it would not rotate any more, resulting in no artificial gravity. The is no way WHATSOEVER that Shepard could survive on the citadel after its destruction.

[mcgreggers99]

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

[Martukis]

bo_7md wrote...

Sorry missed this post..

I'm talking about survivable from the explosion unharmed, I already stated he died because of the suit rupture.

Yes he might have been flung out to space, but he is still with in a somewhat enclosed structre. It is still possible he didn't, but again i'm not arguing that the citadel fell to earth.

Yes i relise that i just don't know the name of the planet he fell to.

 Okay, so the scene here : is what I assume you're talking about. Notice that Shep is projected away from the forward escape pod and into space before the Normandy explodes. Also note that in the scene with the explosion the forward bit of the Normandy - the cockpit and airlock - are floating a bit away from the main of the body which detonates. That is the part Shep presumably is shoved out of. Explosions don't quite work the same in space as far as I know - especially when that close to a planet, where most objects will be pulled into the atmosphere.

[Denvian]

anyone see this explanation?

[bo_7md]

estebanus wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

estebanus wrote...



The same reason that you can breathe in the hangar of TIM's lair.
It's pretty obvious that the citadel has Mass Effect fields that can keep the air in. That is also the reason why so many people can live in the wards.
This reminds me of a codex entry about Mass accelerator weapons. It states, that if a hunk of metal would be too fast, it would just fly straight through a ship, causing minimal damage. Why isn't the air sucked out there? Answer: Mass effect fields are activated to keep the oxygen inside the ship!

There we go peoplez. Thanx Estebanus!

Difference is, those areas are meant to be habitated. Where you end up with Starchild, not so much. In fact, you're the first person ever to be there (according to the little ****) and I assume, when the Citadel was built, the mass effect fields weren't extended over that area just in case some organics built a superweapon that connects to the citadel at that point, come up to activate, forget their suits, and the Catalyst feels chatty.

 

I think you misunderstood my post. I was not agreeing with him at all. The mass effect fields would obviously shut down immediately if the citadel is destroyed! plus, since the citadel is destroyed, that means it would not rotate any more, resulting in no artificial gravity. The is no way WHATSOEVER that Shepard could survive on the citadel after its destruction.

Sure, I was just saying thnx for the quote. I saw it somewhere though that some amount of gravity is produced anyway, but the majority is due to rotation.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Edit: Sorry dident see that you had a "something else" before the picture, thought you meant the Normandy crashed on that planet.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 29 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[Gernbuster]

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

When I saw the video, I just thought OMG.

Especially because the hammer VI is telling u there is a very interesting wounder of nature you might look at,
Maybe he didn't mean the stupid waterfall, but the giant moon

[JustAidan]

bigstig wrote...

steve3194 wrote...

We will probably have to replay the final mission either way. Strange that there isn't a post ending autosave. Not for me at least

In case this hasn't been answereD(running about 10pages behind)

Some people have said there is a save before your choices, it is just not available via the main menu.

I went and had a look in the PC saves.

Most are numbered "save_000XX", some specific ones like "quicksave" "chaptersave" "newgameplussave" "autosave".

The additional one with a finished game is "LegendSave" which I guess is the one people are looking at.

[bo_7md]

Martukis wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Sorry missed this post..

I'm talking about survivable from the explosion unharmed, I already stated he died because of the suit rupture.

Yes he might have been flung out to space, but he is still with in a somewhat enclosed structre. It is still possible he didn't, but again i'm not arguing that the citadel fell to earth.

Yes i relise that i just don't know the name of the planet he fell to.

 Okay, so the scene here : is what I assume you're talking about. Notice that Shep is projected away from the forward escape pod and into space before the Normandy explodes. Also note that in the scene with the explosion the forward bit of the Normandy - the cockpit and airlock - are floating a bit away from the main of the body which detonates. That is the part Shep presumably is shoved out of. Explosions don't quite work the same in space as far as I know - especially when that close to a planet, where most objects will be pulled into the atmosphere.

Flung back because of the first explosion and he wasn't that far from the second you can still see him there. Nothing between him and the explosion, now in the citadel the first explosion clearly just knocks him back, see the ending video.

[Vahilor]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Edit: Sorry dident see that you had a "something else" before the picture, thought you meant the Normandy crashed on that planet.

Looks like Aite to me.. which is a planet you can live on atm, but somewere it is said, that the moons will crash on it in some 100 years, so not the perfect paradise planet ^^

[Gernbuster]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Edit: Sorry dident see that you had a "something else" before the picture, thought you meant the Normandy crashed on that planet.

U NEED TO WATCH THE MOVIE!!!! the picture is just another interesting thing.
Why do I always post interesting links and nobody cares -.-
sry, no offense

[Rifneno]

bo_7md wrote...

Lol, I know That these things might not be possible but I'm bringing up that it has precedence in the series. It's a SCI-FI so as long as they can come up with some glued up science reason its ok I guess. See starwars, SG1, Firefly, Startrek, BSG..etc...etc.

Might? Anyway, ME has always tried hard to keep things as scientifically accurate as possible. Sometimes you have to make stuff up in sci-fi, but for the most part they try to keep it reasonably believable. More importantly, no it doesn't have precedence. Shepard was in protective suit, he was outside the Normandy when it blew up rather than in it, Alchera has less atmospheric pressure and gravity than Earth, and it still took 2 years of still unexplained science to bring him back from what was basically a puddle of meat and a completely dead brain.

[Gernbuster]

If I am right, IDT says all Shep is seeing are pictures out of memories.....?????????????
He was on Aite and the VI is explicit saying he shell pay attention to the wounder of nature( sky?)
On the Shadow Broker ship, Liara says you should look at the moving walls.