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[Earthborn_Shepard]

LadyVakarian wrote...

Mechler wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Mechler wrote...

You people don't understand it. None of you do. The problem with the ending is not that it doesn't make sense. The problem is that it doesn't provide closure for the ones you cared about. Just Shepard(he dies. yes he dies, and he should). I confess, Indoctrination theory makes more sense than the current ending, but it provides FAR LESS CLOSURE. It doesn't show the fate of past squadmates or all the civilizations(like the literal ending). But it also gains a bit more. In case you haven't noticed in the literal interpretation, the reapers are destroyed and the galaxy is safe. If indoctrination theory is true, the Reapers are out there and the release ending basically stops before the final fight. For me that would be a far worse and more infuriating scenario than the current. Even more infuriating. Not a rushed ending, but no ending at all.

Bioware if this was your plan all along, please reconsider at once. Even not doing anything is a lesser evil.

Sorry boys. You made a wonderful job piacing it together, but the theories big failure is a fact.

Duh. You know that the definition of a theory makes it unable to fail?

Also, in case you didn't notice, most of us here are thinking there might be a DLC that will further expand the ending.. providing closure.. and yeah, that can actually work with the indoctrination theory...

Definition? OKay ******, let's talk definitions. like the theory of relativity. Einstein wasn't like: This is probably Bull**** but... So yeah, scientificly, theories can and do fail.

Also you are completely missing the point. the DLC will not be/shouldn't be about exPANDING the ending, but exPLAINING. Or rewriting it altogether. Personally I prefer a story with a confusing ending, than one that ended before any kind of closure. failing at writinng is a flaw. Deliberately not giving closure to csah in on DLC-s is pure evil.

First off, I don't think we need to be calling each other names. <_< If Bioware planned this, than great. We are piecing together parts that would explain the theory. We are not writing it or have any insight of what the writing might be. I appreciate all of the opinions on this thread, but honestly, if you don't like the theory and would rather call names, I wonder why people even decide to post. I completely understand, however, the hesitation. This has never been done and it could be either a great publicity stunt that will put this series at the top OR a total flop that makes gamers angry. So far, if this theory is correct, I think it will be the first of the two. This ending can do both expand and explain if written right. Like I had said in the beginning, we are not the writers, we are simply avid fans who want to make the endings to a FANTASTIC series better for ourselves. There is overwelming evidence to support this theory and I think that intimidates others (not say it intimidates those I quoted). We all need to realise that each and every one of us is a fan and we are disappointed. If you like the IT, great, if you don't, feel free to pass this thread by. We will be happy to take any input in debunking or questioning and we all SHOULD react in a civilized manner to each other. We don't need trolls, on either side of this conversation.  

To lighten the mood, do you like the meme I created? I call it Scumbag Cerberus:




 

I like the quote I once found under a youtube vid: "I bet the whole time Cerberus was actually trying to make Shepard deader"

[Stigweird85]

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

interesting but that then brings us back to the circular logic argument.

The term "machine devils" is interesting, almost fanatical. Which raised the question if these people refered to reapers as "machine devils" then why build them in the first place which the child claims t o have done.

I can understand an ancient race calling reapers "machine devils" if they just came across them, but if they were created for a purpose by said race then they must have had a better name that "machine devil?" Why would you create something and call it devil? Unless devil means something else in their culture.

You could counter argue the name is just a name, but at least with Geth it was revealed that this name was picked as it meant servant/slave in the quarian language

Maybe I am looking into it waay to much

Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.

Ah right are you using this in the context that this supports the IT?

I.e. Kuman Shol was indoctrianted and saw the ghost boy?  I couldn't watch the video(at work) so assumed that you were using this as evidence that the godchild was "real"

[Arppis]

It might be. It might not be.

That's one of the things I like about the ending, but I still understand people who like straight answers or bit more closure.

[ZajoE38]

Wow this is very interesting! By the way.. one month.. thousands of pages on forum discussing the ending... Bioware, stop torturing us. You want to make us insane?

[Gernbuster]

Is there really nobody who got the same excitement about Aites sky? -.-
I try again:http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifN-HXPhFeQ
And remember the hammer VI tells u that there is a wounder of nature around to look at.(sky)
and in the Shadow Broker ship, Liara tells u to look at the moving batterie walls, Both is used in Sheps final indoctrination and we know if somebody gets indoctrinated pictures from his memories were used, to create the" ID dream"

I think this vid and the picture are the two strongest evidences for IDT.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

ZajoE38 wrote...

Wow this is very interesting! By the way.. one month.. thousands of pages on forum discussing the ending... Bioware, stop torturing us. You want to make us insane?

Considering the theory we are discussing what do you think the answer to that question is

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Mechler wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Mechler wrote...

You people don't understand it. None of you do. The problem with the ending is not that it doesn't make sense. The problem is that it doesn't provide closure for the ones you cared about. Just Shepard(he dies. yes he dies, and he should). I confess, Indoctrination theory makes more sense than the current ending, but it provides FAR LESS CLOSURE. It doesn't show the fate of past squadmates or all the civilizations(like the literal ending). But it also gains a bit more. In case you haven't noticed in the literal interpretation, the reapers are destroyed and the galaxy is safe. If indoctrination theory is true, the Reapers are out there and the release ending basically stops before the final fight. For me that would be a far worse and more infuriating scenario than the current. Even more infuriating. Not a rushed ending, but no ending at all.

Bioware if this was your plan all along, please reconsider at once. Even not doing anything is a lesser evil.

Sorry boys. You made a wonderful job piacing it together, but the theories big failure is a fact.

Duh. You know that the definition of a theory makes it unable to fail?

Also, in case you didn't notice, most of us here are thinking there might be a DLC that will further expand the ending.. providing closure.. and yeah, that can actually work with the indoctrination theory...

Definition? OKay ******, let's talk definitions. like the theory of relativity. Einstein wasn't like: This is probably Bull**** but... So yeah, scientificly, theories can and do fail.

Also you are completely missing the point. the DLC will not be/shouldn't be about exPANDING the ending, but exPLAINING. Or rewriting it altogether. Personally I prefer a story with a confusing ending, than one that ended before any kind of closure. failing at writinng is a flaw. Deliberately not giving closure to csah in on DLC-s is pure evil.

What is your point? That theories fail? Of course they do when enough evidence is given to go against them like say the Earth being flat perhaps? You can't prove one way or another that this theory is not true until Bioware comes out and says that it isn't what is going to happen. Also how does this theory not give closure? Yes it expands the ending of the game but not in the way that you are thinking. It expands it so that you continue the story to the true ending it's not going to expand it and then just stop and be like oh **** feathers no ending bam credits. Wait why am I starting an argument with you? You seem like an idiot I am done writing this continue to spout nonsense about YOUR opinion that no one gives two Krogan butt clusters about.

[LadyVakarian]

OT, sorry guys, but if ANYONE has funny things to say that would fit with Scumbag Cerberus, I would love the help. You can see my only two for now at the top of the page. Love you all

Oh and RADIUMEYEZ: Krogan butt clusters made me lol. Still not nice though 

Modifié par LadyVakarian, 29 mars 2012 - 01:09 .

[ZajoE38]

But this description on the picture works both ways.. For the IT (the volus was indoctrinated, but why? Reapers only indoctrinates key individuals) or against the IT.. so the Catalyst really exists.. DAFUQ O.o

[Aanlen]

Gernbuster wrote...

Is there really nobody who got the same excitement about Aites sky? -.-
I try again:http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifN-HXPhFeQ
And remember the hammer VI tells u that there is a wounder of nature around to look at.(sky)
and in the Shadow Broker ship, Liara tells u to look at the moving batterie walls, Both is used in Sheps final indoctrination and we know if somebody gets indoctrinated pictures from his memories were used, to create the" ID dream"

I think this vid and the picture are the two strongest evidences for IDT.

Holy ****. O_O Bioware, don't you dare squish my hopes on pax...

[bo_7md]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Lol, I know That these things might not be possible but I'm bringing up that it has precedence in the series. It's a SCI-FI so as long as they can come up with some glued up science reason its ok I guess. See starwars, SG1, Firefly, Startrek, BSG..etc...etc.

Might? Anyway, ME has always tried hard to keep things as scientifically accurate as possible. Sometimes you have to make stuff up in sci-fi, but for the most part they try to keep it reasonably believable. More importantly, no it doesn't have precedence. Shepard was in protective suit, he was outside the Normandy when it blew up rather than in it, Alchera has less atmospheric pressure and gravity than Earth, and it still took 2 years of still unexplained science to bring him back from what was basically a puddle of meat and a completely dead brain.

Yeah exactly, try comparing that to a onboard explosion on the Citadel, then reentry without protective suit, before impact on a plnaet with higher gravity.

There is no iffs or buts here, no possibilities even with the Citadel wreckage supposedly shielding him, he would be dead and amonut of Lazrus would be able to bring him back. And he most certainly would not take a deep breath like he is still alive.

Yeah, I mentioned that i think the citadel is still in space so even if I assume this is correct, and they can't come up with a reason like emergency shielding It wouldn't matter as I think the citadel is still in place. Again the concrete scene doesn't mae sense in London too even if for continuity reasons. i.e you show up wearing something then the next scene you are wearing something else.

rubble appearing out of nowhere all around him ?

Harbingers beam? We saw it tear through armored assult vehicles, it probably tore up the ground creating the ruble Shepard can be seen lying in in the Breathing scene.

And there is one good reason there would be no emergency shielding or gravity with the Citadel exploding and turned into rubble...where should the power for such thinsg come from? Unless by some miracle there is still an active powerline between a generator and the area where Shepard is and none of it was damaged at all in the explosion, no shidling of any kind is possible.

And try thinking of the odds of that happening if you want a leap of logic.

for him to be on his back covered with rubble, the beam would have to hit him and go through. If you believe he survived that...then ...^.

Again, I think the Citadel is still in space and  "where should the power for such thing* come from" isn't a strong argument in a SCI-FI game. Again I'm not saying the Citadel is in London, I still think it is in space.

[Gernbuster]

bigstig wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

interesting but that then brings us back to the circular logic argument.

The term "machine devils" is interesting, almost fanatical. Which raised the question if these people refered to reapers as "machine devils" then why build them in the first place which the child claims t o have done.

I can understand an ancient race calling reapers "machine devils" if they just came across them, but if they were created for a purpose by said race then they must have had a better name that "machine devil?" Why would you create something and call it devil? Unless devil means something else in their culture.

You could counter argue the name is just a name, but at least with Geth it was revealed that this name was picked as it meant servant/slave in the quarian language

Maybe I am looking into it waay to much

Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.

Ah right are you using this in the context that this supports the IT?

I.e. Kuman Shol was indoctrianted and saw the ghost boy?  I couldn't watch the video(at work) so assumed that you were using this as evidence that the godchild was "real"

 But ok I will take the time and explain what I mean:

Imagine if a Reaper tries to indoctrinate somebody, it always ends up to some sort of illusion. Shol met Souvereign and of course got indoctrinated -.-
Imagine, the Reaper is going through your mind to built  up the illusion. If u read the books you know
everything I said so far is fact.
Of course Shol wasn't talking to the ghostly boy. The Reapers take from the memories, what might affect the person the most, In his case it might be a massive ghostly pot filled with gold (joke) who told him the story: We are the Reapers, we come along every 50000 years to protect organics, not to get killed by synthetics. (machine devils)
Same as Saren he gets indoctrinated and tries to help the Reapers to come back.

Any questions?

PS: 1. Shol is a key person, billionär and one of the first person who found Souvereign, he simply got replaced by Saren at the end of the first book.

Modifié par Gernbuster, 29 mars 2012 - 01:17 .

[ZajoE38]

I've noticed that you could possibly breath on the top of the Citadel when meeting the child. In ME1 docking area there were opened area and we could breathe there.

[Sammuthegreat]

Just thought I'd mention - I just re-watched the endings, and I'm now convinced in IT more than ever. When Shepard first wakes up after going through the Conduit, there's a funny black liquid effect around the edges of the screen and in the background. If those aren't "oily shadows", then I'll eat my socks.

I know this has been brought up a million times, but just thought I'd mention that re-watching it has firmed my grip on The Line considerably.

[JustAidan]

bo_7md wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Lol, I know That these things might not be possible but I'm bringing up that it has precedence in the series. It's a SCI-FI so as long as they can come up with some glued up science reason its ok I guess. See starwars, SG1, Firefly, Startrek, BSG..etc...etc.

Might? Anyway, ME has always tried hard to keep things as scientifically accurate as possible. Sometimes you have to make stuff up in sci-fi, but for the most part they try to keep it reasonably believable. More importantly, no it doesn't have precedence. Shepard was in protective suit, he was outside the Normandy when it blew up rather than in it, Alchera has less atmospheric pressure and gravity than Earth, and it still took 2 years of still unexplained science to bring him back from what was basically a puddle of meat and a completely dead brain.

Yeah exactly, try comparing that to a onboard explosion on the Citadel, then reentry without protective suit, before impact on a plnaet with higher gravity.

There is no iffs or buts here, no possibilities even with the Citadel wreckage supposedly shielding him, he would be dead and amonut of Lazrus would be able to bring him back. And he most certainly would not take a deep breath like he is still alive.

Yeah, I mentioned that i think the citadel is still in space so even if I assume this is correct, and they can't come up with a reason like emergency shielding It wouldn't matter as I think the citadel is still in place. Again the concrete scene doesn't mae sense in London too even if for continuity reasons. i.e you show up wearing something then the next scene you are wearing something else.

rubble appearing out of nowhere all around him ?

Harbingers beam? We saw it tear through armored assult vehicles, it probably tore up the ground creating the ruble Shepard can be seen lying in in the Breathing scene.

And there is one good reason there would be no emergency shielding or gravity with the Citadel exploding and turned into rubble...where should the power for such thinsg come from? Unless by some miracle there is still an active powerline between a generator and the area where Shepard is and none of it was damaged at all in the explosion, no shidling of any kind is possible.

And try thinking of the odds of that happening if you want a leap of logic.

for him to be on his back covered with rubble, the beam would have to hit him and go through. If you believe he survived that...then ...^.

Again, I think the Citadel is still in space and  "where should the power for such thing* come from" isn't a strong argument in a SCI-FI game. Again I'm not saying the Citadel is in London, I still think it is in space.

Except if the ending is real then we see the Citedal being completely destroyed in a big old colourful explosion. From the centre outwards when Shepard is no less if you want to try and argue that Shepard survived the explosion while already in a pretty bad state.

[MadRabbit999]

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

interesting but that then brings us back to the circular logic argument.

The term "machine devils" is interesting, almost fanatical. Which raised the question if these people refered to reapers as "machine devils" then why build them in the first place which the child claims t o have done.

I can understand an ancient race calling reapers "machine devils" if they just came across them, but if they were created for a purpose by said race then they must have had a better name that "machine devil?" Why would you create something and call it devil? Unless devil means something else in their culture.

You could counter argue the name is just a name, but at least with Geth it was revealed that this name was picked as it meant servant/slave in the quarian language

Maybe I am looking into it waay to much

Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.

The image to the left was jsut added now, right?

[SC0TTYD00]

WTB Tickets to Sammuthegreat eating his socks...

[RADIUMEYEZ]

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

WTB Tickets to Sammuthegreat eating his socks...

I second this and can we throw in dirty sweaty socks?

[Gernbuster]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

interesting but that then brings us back to the circular logic argument.

The term "machine devils" is interesting, almost fanatical. Which raised the question if these people refered to reapers as "machine devils" then why build them in the first place which the child claims t o have done.

I can understand an ancient race calling reapers "machine devils" if they just came across them, but if they were created for a purpose by said race then they must have had a better name that "machine devil?" Why would you create something and call it devil? Unless devil means something else in their culture.

You could counter argue the name is just a name, but at least with Geth it was revealed that this name was picked as it meant servant/slave in the quarian language

Maybe I am looking into it waay to much

Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.

The image to the left was jsut added now, right?

Yes the video link is a very good evidence where the normandy crashes and may support IDT
and the picture might be a good evidence  for Sheps indoctrination, read the other post, for the explanation ^^

[JustAidan]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

interesting but that then brings us back to the circular logic argument.

The term "machine devils" is interesting, almost fanatical. Which raised the question if these people refered to reapers as "machine devils" then why build them in the first place which the child claims t o have done.

I can understand an ancient race calling reapers "machine devils" if they just came across them, but if they were created for a purpose by said race then they must have had a better name that "machine devil?" Why would you create something and call it devil? Unless devil means something else in their culture.

You could counter argue the name is just a name, but at least with Geth it was revealed that this name was picked as it meant servant/slave in the quarian language

Maybe I am looking into it waay to much

Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.

The image to the left was jsut added now, right?

Could the "Being of Light" just be a previous Civilisation's VI trying to warn people like Vigil?

It can't be the StarChild since it is on the Citadel.

Modifié par JustAidan, 29 mars 2012 - 01:27 .

[Mcfly616]

@ZajoE38

Yeah....but you're still on the inside of the citadel arms....


At the end of ME3 he's walking on the outside of the citadel....on top of the entire station.....there's no oxygen on the "Outside" of the facility

[MadRabbit999]

Gernbuster wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

interesting but that then brings us back to the circular logic argument.

The term "machine devils" is interesting, almost fanatical. Which raised the question if these people refered to reapers as "machine devils" then why build them in the first place which the child claims t o have done.

I can understand an ancient race calling reapers "machine devils" if they just came across them, but if they were created for a purpose by said race then they must have had a better name that "machine devil?" Why would you create something and call it devil? Unless devil means something else in their culture.

You could counter argue the name is just a name, but at least with Geth it was revealed that this name was picked as it meant servant/slave in the quarian language

Maybe I am looking into it waay to much

Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.

The image to the left was jsut added now, right?

Yes the video link is a very good evidence where the normandy crashes and may support IDT
and the picture might be a good evidence  for Sheps indoctrination, read the other post, for the explanation ^^

I saw the video, but why would this support IT?

This could just be done to give yuo a clue of where the Normandy landed after RGB.

[bo_7md]

JustAidan wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Lol, I know That these things might not be possible but I'm bringing up that it has precedence in the series. It's a SCI-FI so as long as they can come up with some glued up science reason its ok I guess. See starwars, SG1, Firefly, Startrek, BSG..etc...etc.

Might? Anyway, ME has always tried hard to keep things as scientifically accurate as possible. Sometimes you have to make stuff up in sci-fi, but for the most part they try to keep it reasonably believable. More importantly, no it doesn't have precedence. Shepard was in protective suit, he was outside the Normandy when it blew up rather than in it, Alchera has less atmospheric pressure and gravity than Earth, and it still took 2 years of still unexplained science to bring him back from what was basically a puddle of meat and a completely dead brain.

Yeah exactly, try comparing that to a onboard explosion on the Citadel, then reentry without protective suit, before impact on a plnaet with higher gravity.

There is no iffs or buts here, no possibilities even with the Citadel wreckage supposedly shielding him, he would be dead and amonut of Lazrus would be able to bring him back. And he most certainly would not take a deep breath like he is still alive.

Yeah, I mentioned that i think the citadel is still in space so even if I assume this is correct, and they can't come up with a reason like emergency shielding It wouldn't matter as I think the citadel is still in place. Again the concrete scene doesn't mae sense in London too even if for continuity reasons. i.e you show up wearing something then the next scene you are wearing something else.

rubble appearing out of nowhere all around him ?

Harbingers beam? We saw it tear through armored assult vehicles, it probably tore up the ground creating the ruble Shepard can be seen lying in in the Breathing scene.

And there is one good reason there would be no emergency shielding or gravity with the Citadel exploding and turned into rubble...where should the power for such thinsg come from? Unless by some miracle there is still an active powerline between a generator and the area where Shepard is and none of it was damaged at all in the explosion, no shidling of any kind is possible.

And try thinking of the odds of that happening if you want a leap of logic.

for him to be on his back covered with rubble, the beam would have to hit him and go through. If you believe he survived that...then ...^.

Again, I think the Citadel is still in space and  "where should the power for such thing* come from" isn't a strong argument in a SCI-FI game. Again I'm not saying the Citadel is in London, I still think it is in space.

Except if the ending is real then we see the Citedal being completely destroyed in a big old colourful explosion. From the centre outwards when Shepard is no less if you want to try and argue that Shepard survived the explosion while already in a pretty bad state.

I saw a rainbow dome coming out of the centre if the explosion shows the destruction I think they would show the arms breaking away with the centre in pieces, two arms broke the centre is the same after the big flash of <insert ending color here>.

Yes, I'll take that over a beam going through him and the Fake ending/Bioware conspiracy that the I.T is.

[Spectre-61]

The planet Aite (where the Normandy crashes) is near the Perseus Veil. That's almost on the other side of the galaxy! There is no way Joker could come that far.

It's just so unreal.

IDT rocks!!!

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

bo_7md wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Yeah exactly, try comparing that to a onboard explosion on the Citadel, then reentry without protective suit, before impact on a plnaet with higher gravity.

There is no iffs or buts here, no possibilities even with the Citadel wreckage supposedly shielding him, he would be dead and amonut of Lazrus would be able to bring him back. And he most certainly would not take a deep breath like he is still alive.

Yeah, I mentioned that i think the citadel is still in space so even if I assume this is correct, and they can't come up with a reason like emergency shielding It wouldn't matter as I think the citadel is still in place. Again the concrete scene doesn't mae sense in London too even if for continuity reasons. i.e you show up wearing something then the next scene you are wearing something else.

rubble appearing out of nowhere all around him ?

Harbingers beam? We saw it tear through armored assult vehicles, it probably tore up the ground creating the ruble Shepard can be seen lying in in the Breathing scene.

And there is one good reason there would be no emergency shielding or gravity with the Citadel exploding and turned into rubble...where should the power for such thinsg come from? Unless by some miracle there is still an active powerline between a generator and the area where Shepard is and none of it was damaged at all in the explosion, no shidling of any kind is possible.

And try thinking of the odds of that happening if you want a leap of logic.

for him to be on his back covered with rubble, the beam would have to hit him and go through. If you believe he survived that...then ...^.

Again, I think the Citadel is still in space and  "where should the power for such thing* come from" isn't a strong argument in a SCI-FI game. Again I'm not saying the Citadel is in London, I still think it is in space.

It could be rubble from the several other beams Harbinger wept across the area? There is more than just the one near Shepard. The beam hitting in front of Sheaprd could have knocked him ito rubble from previus beams, is that really so hard to imagine?

Also if i recall correctly there is allready a degree of ruble spread across thre area as you charge towards the beam.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 29 mars 2012 - 01:31 .