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[MadRabbit999]

bo_7md wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Lol, I know That these things might not be possible but I'm bringing up that it has precedence in the series. It's a SCI-FI so as long as they can come up with some glued up science reason its ok I guess. See starwars, SG1, Firefly, Startrek, BSG..etc...etc.

Might? Anyway, ME has always tried hard to keep things as scientifically accurate as possible. Sometimes you have to make stuff up in sci-fi, but for the most part they try to keep it reasonably believable. More importantly, no it doesn't have precedence. Shepard was in protective suit, he was outside the Normandy when it blew up rather than in it, Alchera has less atmospheric pressure and gravity than Earth, and it still took 2 years of still unexplained science to bring him back from what was basically a puddle of meat and a completely dead brain.

Yeah exactly, try comparing that to a onboard explosion on the Citadel, then reentry without protective suit, before impact on a plnaet with higher gravity.

There is no iffs or buts here, no possibilities even with the Citadel wreckage supposedly shielding him, he would be dead and amonut of Lazrus would be able to bring him back. And he most certainly would not take a deep breath like he is still alive.

Yeah, I mentioned that i think the citadel is still in space so even if I assume this is correct, and they can't come up with a reason like emergency shielding It wouldn't matter as I think the citadel is still in place. Again the concrete scene doesn't mae sense in London too even if for continuity reasons. i.e you show up wearing something then the next scene you are wearing something else.

rubble appearing out of nowhere all around him ?

Harbingers beam? We saw it tear through armored assult vehicles, it probably tore up the ground creating the ruble Shepard can be seen lying in in the Breathing scene.

And there is one good reason there would be no emergency shielding or gravity with the Citadel exploding and turned into rubble...where should the power for such thinsg come from? Unless by some miracle there is still an active powerline between a generator and the area where Shepard is and none of it was damaged at all in the explosion, no shidling of any kind is possible.

And try thinking of the odds of that happening if you want a leap of logic.

for him to be on his back covered with rubble, the beam would have to hit him and go through. If you believe he survived that...then ...^.

Again, I think the Citadel is still in space and  "where should the power for such thing* come from" isn't a strong argument in a SCI-FI game. Again I'm not saying the Citadel is in London, I still think it is in space.

Except if the ending is real then we see the Citedal being completely destroyed in a big old colourful explosion. From the centre outwards when Shepard is no less if you want to try and argue that Shepard survived the explosion while already in a pretty bad state.

I saw a rainbow dome coming out of the centre if the explosion shows the destruction I think they would show the arms breaking away with the centre in pieces, two arms broke the centre is the same after the big flash of <insert ending color here>.

Yes, I'll take that over a beam going through him and the Fake ending/Bioware conspiracy that the I.T is.

You do not win arguments here by stating what is fake and what is not, nethier IT or BWSUT (Bioware Screw Up Theory) have any proof. We are all speculating, nobody is right or wrong here, period.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 mars 2012 - 01:36 .

[JustAidan]

bo_7md wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

bo_7md wrote...

Lol, I know That these things might not be possible but I'm bringing up that it has precedence in the series. It's a SCI-FI so as long as they can come up with some glued up science reason its ok I guess. See starwars, SG1, Firefly, Startrek, BSG..etc...etc.

Might? Anyway, ME has always tried hard to keep things as scientifically accurate as possible. Sometimes you have to make stuff up in sci-fi, but for the most part they try to keep it reasonably believable. More importantly, no it doesn't have precedence. Shepard was in protective suit, he was outside the Normandy when it blew up rather than in it, Alchera has less atmospheric pressure and gravity than Earth, and it still took 2 years of still unexplained science to bring him back from what was basically a puddle of meat and a completely dead brain.

Yeah exactly, try comparing that to a onboard explosion on the Citadel, then reentry without protective suit, before impact on a plnaet with higher gravity.

There is no iffs or buts here, no possibilities even with the Citadel wreckage supposedly shielding him, he would be dead and amonut of Lazrus would be able to bring him back. And he most certainly would not take a deep breath like he is still alive.

Yeah, I mentioned that i think the citadel is still in space so even if I assume this is correct, and they can't come up with a reason like emergency shielding It wouldn't matter as I think the citadel is still in place. Again the concrete scene doesn't mae sense in London too even if for continuity reasons. i.e you show up wearing something then the next scene you are wearing something else.

rubble appearing out of nowhere all around him ?

Harbingers beam? We saw it tear through armored assult vehicles, it probably tore up the ground creating the ruble Shepard can be seen lying in in the Breathing scene.

And there is one good reason there would be no emergency shielding or gravity with the Citadel exploding and turned into rubble...where should the power for such thinsg come from? Unless by some miracle there is still an active powerline between a generator and the area where Shepard is and none of it was damaged at all in the explosion, no shidling of any kind is possible.

And try thinking of the odds of that happening if you want a leap of logic.

for him to be on his back covered with rubble, the beam would have to hit him and go through. If you believe he survived that...then ...^.

Again, I think the Citadel is still in space and  "where should the power for such thing* come from" isn't a strong argument in a SCI-FI game. Again I'm not saying the Citadel is in London, I still think it is in space.

Except if the ending is real then we see the Citedal being completely destroyed in a big old colourful explosion. From the centre outwards when Shepard is no less if you want to try and argue that Shepard survived the explosion while already in a pretty bad state.

I saw a rainbow dome coming out of the centre if the explosion shows the destruction I think they would show the arms breaking away with the centre in pieces, two arms broke the centre is the same after the big flash of <insert ending color here>.

Yes, I'll take that over a beam going through him and the Fake ending/Bioware conspiracy that the I.T is.

Good for you, I guess now you don't need to read this thread anymore if you are happy with your ending .:happy:

[njfluffy19]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Just thought I'd mention - I just re-watched the endings, and I'm now convinced in IT more than ever. When Shepard first wakes up after going through the Conduit, there's a funny black liquid effect around the edges of the screen and in the background. If those aren't "oily shadows", then I'll eat my socks.

I know this has been brought up a million times, but just thought I'd mention that re-watching it has firmed my grip on The Line considerably.

Play the whole game again and you'll only be more convinced!

But seriously, the whole game everyone is saying "destroy, destroy, destroy" because there is no other option. The oily shadows, the whispers... The whole out of place "Do you hear that hum?" is a weird and possibly big hint by Bioware.

No matter what, I'm always going to be convinced this theory is correct!

[ZajoE38]

variobunz wrote...

The planet Aite (where the Normandy crashes) is near the Perseus Veil. That's almost on the other side of the galaxy! There is no way Joker could come that far.

It's just so unreal.

IDT rocks!!!

Yeah, and add there a fact, that Normandy wasn't using Mass relay jump, just regular FTL travel when the blast hit her.

[Gernbuster]

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:
[/quote]


Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.[/quote]

The image to the left was jsut added now, right?

[/quote]



Yes the video link is a very good evidence where the normandy crashes and may support IDT
and the picture might be a good evidence  for Sheps indoctrination, read the other post, for the explanation ^^[/quote]


I saw the video, but why would this support IT?

This could just be done to give yuo a clue of where the Normandy landed after RGB.

[/quote]

You all know what IDT is about, right?

Every single scene after he got hit by the beam except the moment he is waking up is a halluzination, The crash of the Normandy as well.
The Reaper who indoctrinates uses the pictures in the peoples memories to built up the illusion.
Shep was on Aite and your stupid car is suddenly saying out of nowhere "loooooook there is something cool
u will find it interesting, its a real wounder of nature." (the sky of course, it is completly unique in the game)
Shep also was on the Shadow Broker base and Liara says "loooooook great up and down moving batterie walls
-.-.
We see both when Shep is indoctrinated, The planet Aite and the moving walls. The ME2 DLC even took care that you will recognize it, because it might become important to understand whats going on later?

[njfluffy19]

BTW, congrats on reaching a thousand pages.

Byne is like this:

[njfluffy19]

Gernbuster wrote...


You all know what IDT is about, right?

Every single scene after he got hit by the beam except the moment he is waking up is a halluzination, The crash of the Normandy as well.
The Reaper who indoctrinates uses the pictures in the peoples memories to built up the illusion.
Shep was on Aite and your stupid car is suddenly saying out of nowhere "loooooook there is something cool
u will find it interesting, its a real wounder of nature." (the sky of course, it is completly unique in the game)
Shep also was on the Shadow Broker base and Liara says "loooooook great up and down moving batterie walls
-.-.
We see both when Shep is indoctrinated, The planet Aite and the moving walls. The ME2 DLC even took care that you will recognize it, because it might become important to understand whats going on later?

I very much like your research, sir. I approve!

[MadRabbit999]

[quote]Gernbuster wrote...


I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:
[/quote]


Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.[/quote]

The image to the left was jsut added now, right?

[/quote]



Yes the video link is a very good evidence where the normandy crashes and may support IDT
and the picture might be a good evidence  for Sheps indoctrination, read the other post, for the explanation ^^[/quote]


I saw the video, but why would this support IT?

This could just be done to give yuo a clue of where the Normandy landed after RGB.

[/quote]

You all know what IDT is about, right?

Every single scene after he got hit by the beam except the moment he is waking up is a halluzination, The crash of the Normandy as well.
The Reaper who indoctrinates uses the pictures in the peoples memories to built up the illusion.
Shep was on Aite and your stupid car is suddenly saying out of nowhere "loooooook there is something cool
u will find it interesting, its a real wounder of nature." (the sky of course, it is completly unique in the game)
Shep also was on the Shadow Broker base and Liara says "loooooook great up and down moving batterie walls
-.-.
We see both when Shep is indoctrinated, The planet Aite and the moving walls. The ME2 DLC even too
k care that you will recognize it, because it might become important to understand whats going on later?[/quote]

I have proved all those points can be easily be debunked, so I do not see why this one cannot be either:

It is a way to make you understand on which planet they crashlanded instead of you going "Ohh... where is that?????"

Also dude... those you posted are not proofs at all... but theories.. the walls could be clearly part of futuristic thechonology or art direction because you know it's cool (You see airplanes having 2 wings, other older models had 4, but just because they are similar you do not call it a "car" it's still an airplane, but different technology).... also not everyone has played the shadow broker, and so they acn paly the "almost new visual card" ALSO.. as I have stated ltos of times, there are clear PROOFS (Not theories) of massive designs bugs and texture issues in the last scene that proofs it was rushed.. so they could have used this to recycle assets... again, it does not proof IT in any way.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 mars 2012 - 01:46 .

[llbountyhunter]

ZajoE38 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

The planet Aite (where the Normandy crashes) is near the Perseus Veil. That's almost on the other side of the galaxy! There is no way Joker could come that far.

It's just so unreal.

IDT rocks!!!

Yeah, and add there a fact, that Normandy wasn't using Mass relay jump, just regular FTL travel when the blast hit her.

Well they never said where they where, just "we've been searching for days down this sector" nothing specific.

Also the the planet is on the same area as omega but on a different system so yes, he would to plot a mass relay jump, then use ftl..

Edit: not trying to disprove Idt here- just don't think this has anything to do with it.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 29 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[Stigweird85]

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

interesting but that then brings us back to the circular logic argument.

The term "machine devils" is interesting, almost fanatical. Which raised the question if these people refered to reapers as "machine devils" then why build them in the first place which the child claims t o have done.

I can understand an ancient race calling reapers "machine devils" if they just came across them, but if they were created for a purpose by said race then they must have had a better name that "machine devil?" Why would you create something and call it devil? Unless devil means something else in their culture.

You could counter argue the name is just a name, but at least with Geth it was revealed that this name was picked as it meant servant/slave in the quarian language

Maybe I am looking into it waay to much

Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.

Ah right are you using this in the context that this supports the IT?

I.e. Kuman Shol was indoctrianted and saw the ghost boy?  I couldn't watch the video(at work) so assumed that you were using this as evidence that the godchild was "real"

 But ok I will take the time and explain what I mean:

Imagine if a Reaper tries to indoctrinate somebody, it always ends up to some sort of illusion. Shol met Souvereign and of course got indoctrinated -.-
Imagine, the Reaper is going through your mind to built  up the illusion. If u read the books you know
everything I said so far is fact.
Of course Shol wasn't talking to the ghostly boy. The Reapers take from the memories, what might affect the person the most, In his case it might be a massive ghostly pot filled with gold (joke) who told him the story: We are the Reapers, we come along every 50000 years to protect organics, not to get killed by synthetics. (machine devils)
Same as Saren he gets indoctrinated and tries to help the Reapers to come back.

Any questions?

PS: 1. Shol is a key person, billionär and one of the first person who found Souvereign, he simply got replaced by Saren at the end of the first book.

Yeah thanks, it's been a while since I have read the books and I'm useless at remembering names. As I said I thought that this was being produced as evidence that the ghostboy was part of an ancient species and therefore real which makes the events at the end of the game also real.

Now I understand you are using it as an example of someone who is indoctrinated seeing this type of figure therefore Shepard seeing it means Shep is indoctrinated. 

Thanks for clearing that up for me

[Dance Craze]

I just realized something and I am not sure if it relates to the theory or not but it is a discrepancy with the ending:

The wave that destroys/synthesis/controls the reapers is moving very slow on the galactic scale. At the speed it is moving on earth it would take months for the wave to reach the edges of the solar system and since the wave cannot make a mass relay jump, it must travel that way across the galaxy. Then they show the Normandy out running it due to its FTL drive I suppose, however even at the speed of light it would take hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of years to reach the edges of the galaxy. Everyone on Palaven, Tuchanka, Thessia, Sur'Kesh etc would be dead from the reapers by the time that wave reached them.

As a side note: Shepard must be the catalyst, regardless of theory since he initiates the crucible. The ghost child actually does nothing.

[Gernbuster]

[quote]MadRabbit999 wrote...

[quote]Gernbuster wrote...


I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:
[/quote]


Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.[/quote]

The image to the left was jsut added now, right?

[/quote]



Yes the video link is a very good evidence where the normandy crashes and may support IDT
and the picture might be a good evidence  for Sheps indoctrination, read the other post, for the explanation ^^[/quote]


I saw the video, but why would this support IT?

This could just be done to give yuo a clue of where the Normandy landed after RGB.

[/quote]

You all know what IDT is about, right?

Every single scene after he got hit by the beam except the moment he is waking up is a halluzination, The crash of the Normandy as well.
The Reaper who indoctrinates uses the pictures in the peoples memories to built up the illusion.
Shep was on Aite and your stupid car is suddenly saying out of nowhere "loooooook there is something cool
u will find it interesting, its a real wounder of nature." (the sky of course, it is completly unique in the game)
Shep also was on the Shadow Broker base and Liara says "loooooook great up and down moving batterie walls
-.-.
We see both when Shep is indoctrinated, The planet Aite and the moving walls. The ME2 DLC even too
k care that you will recognize it, because it might become important to understand whats going on later?[/quote]

I have proved all those points can be easily be debunked, so I do not see why this one cannot be either:

It is a way to make you understand on which planet they crashlanded instead of you going "Ohh... where is that?????"

Also dude... those you posted are not proofs at all... but theories.. the walls could be clearly part of futuristic thechonology or art direction because you know it's cool.... also not everyone has played the shadow broker, and so they acn paly the "almost new visual card" ALSO.. as I have stated ltos of times, there are clear PROOFS (Not theories) of massive designs bugs and texture issues in the last scene that proofs it was rushed.. so they could have used this to recycle assets... again, it does not proof IT in any way.


[/quote]
1. I didn't write "proof" the whole day, I am aware that it is impossible to "proof" something in this stadium and I would advice u to use terms like "might be true" as well.
2. If u didn't bought "arrival" DLC ME3 assumed that Shep has done it, it is a plothole for everyone without the DLC. Of course it is unfair, but that is life.
In the case of my theorie, I think the same, you won't get the storie if you didn't played all DLCs and read through the kodex, the books and the comics. Thats how a Sci-Fi universe is working. Either u understand everything, or you lose the story as some point, ( for example now, I think IDT is right with the evidences I collected for myself and other people only see a giant plothole)
3. I am damed sure that Bioware wouldn't built hundred different ID levels, for every possible combination of DLC and knowledge. As I said, either u get the complex storie completly, or not at all.

Modifié par Gernbuster, 29 mars 2012 - 01:55 .

[Dance Craze]

bigstig wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

interesting but that then brings us back to the circular logic argument.

The term "machine devils" is interesting, almost fanatical. Which raised the question if these people refered to reapers as "machine devils" then why build them in the first place which the child claims t o have done.

I can understand an ancient race calling reapers "machine devils" if they just came across them, but if they were created for a purpose by said race then they must have had a better name that "machine devil?" Why would you create something and call it devil? Unless devil means something else in their culture.

You could counter argue the name is just a name, but at least with Geth it was revealed that this name was picked as it meant servant/slave in the quarian language

Maybe I am looking into it waay to much

Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.

Ah right are you using this in the context that this supports the IT?

I.e. Kuman Shol was indoctrianted and saw the ghost boy?  I couldn't watch the video(at work) so assumed that you were using this as evidence that the godchild was "real"

 But ok I will take the time and explain what I mean:

Imagine if a Reaper tries to indoctrinate somebody, it always ends up to some sort of illusion. Shol met Souvereign and of course got indoctrinated -.-
Imagine, the Reaper is going through your mind to built  up the illusion. If u read the books you know
everything I said so far is fact.
Of course Shol wasn't talking to the ghostly boy. The Reapers take from the memories, what might affect the person the most, In his case it might be a massive ghostly pot filled with gold (joke) who told him the story: We are the Reapers, we come along every 50000 years to protect organics, not to get killed by synthetics. (machine devils)
Same as Saren he gets indoctrinated and tries to help the Reapers to come back.

Any questions?

PS: 1. Shol is a key person, billionär and one of the first person who found Souvereign, he simply got replaced by Saren at the end of the first book.

Yeah thanks, it's been a while since I have read the books and I'm useless at remembering names. As I said I thought that this was being produced as evidence that the ghostboy was part of an ancient species and therefore real which makes the events at the end of the game also real.

Now I understand you are using it as an example of someone who is indoctrinated seeing this type of figure therefore Shepard seeing it means Shep is indoctrinated. 

Thanks for clearing that up for me

Ummmm it says its surface temp is -109 celcius... The crew and squadmates were obviously standing outside exposed during the ending... Not possible.

[bo_7md]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...


It could be rubble from the several other beams Harbinger wept across the area? There is more than just the one near Shepard. The beam hitting in front of Sheaprd could have knocked him ito rubble from previus beams, is that really so hard to imagine?

Also if i recall correctly there is allready a degree of ruble spread across thre area as you charge towards the beam.

1-For such an amount of rubble to accumlate around him, and all big pieces not smashed as should be when hit by a beam, he would need to hit him several times to dig him in or to have hit the ground behind him before he fell then infront of him to cause him to fly back then on his  sides to pile it up.

2-If he was in front of the beam wouldn't the area be more lit ?

3- The pieces as i mentioned above are squarish. i.e shaped like a column.


if you watch the video here listen to the sound(approx from 1:13 onwards), its the same sound that buildings make after an earth quake or a big fire.

Link:

[Gernbuster]

Looks good to me

Modifié par Gernbuster, 29 mars 2012 - 02:04 .

[Stigweird85]

Dance Craze wrote...

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Ummmm it says its surface temp is -109 celcius... The crew and squadmates were obviously standing outside exposed during the ending... Not possible.

Yeah, I'm not convinced it's the same planet. Without a suit Joker would suffer from hypothermia almost instantly plus at that temp there would be no plants or running water etc

The bit I was focusing on was that someone who is indoctrinated also claimed to have seen a ghostly precence. Hence Shepard seeing it could be viewed as evidence of indoctrination

[MadRabbit999]

Dance Craze wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

interesting but that then brings us back to the circular logic argument.

The term "machine devils" is interesting, almost fanatical. Which raised the question if these people refered to reapers as "machine devils" then why build them in the first place which the child claims t o have done.

I can understand an ancient race calling reapers "machine devils" if they just came across them, but if they were created for a purpose by said race then they must have had a better name that "machine devil?" Why would you create something and call it devil? Unless devil means something else in their culture.

You could counter argue the name is just a name, but at least with Geth it was revealed that this name was picked as it meant servant/slave in the quarian language

Maybe I am looking into it waay to much

Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.

Ah right are you using this in the context that this supports the IT?

I.e. Kuman Shol was indoctrianted and saw the ghost boy?  I couldn't watch the video(at work) so assumed that you were using this as evidence that the godchild was "real"

 But ok I will take the time and explain what I mean:

Imagine if a Reaper tries to indoctrinate somebody, it always ends up to some sort of illusion. Shol met Souvereign and of course got indoctrinated -.-
Imagine, the Reaper is going through your mind to built  up the illusion. If u read the books you know
everything I said so far is fact.
Of course Shol wasn't talking to the ghostly boy. The Reapers take from the memories, what might affect the person the most, In his case it might be a massive ghostly pot filled with gold (joke) who told him the story: We are the Reapers, we come along every 50000 years to protect organics, not to get killed by synthetics. (machine devils)
Same as Saren he gets indoctrinated and tries to help the Reapers to come back.

Any questions?

PS: 1. Shol is a key person, billionär and one of the first person who found Souvereign, he simply got replaced by Saren at the end of the first book.

Yeah thanks, it's been a while since I have read the books and I'm useless at remembering names. As I said I thought that this was being produced as evidence that the ghostboy was part of an ancient species and therefore real which makes the events at the end of the game also real.

Now I understand you are using it as an example of someone who is indoctrinated seeing this type of figure therefore Shepard seeing it means Shep is indoctrinated. 

Thanks for clearing that up for me

Ummmm it says its surface temp is -109 celcius... The crew and squadmates were obviously standing outside exposed during the ending... Not possible.

It also makes no sense that planet with 109 celcious can have any life at all since the temperature where water boils it 100 degrees (And ALL life needs water to survive).

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 mars 2012 - 02:04 .

[Arppis]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

It also makes no sense that planet with 109 celcious can have any life at all since the temperature where water boils it 100 degrees (And ALL life needs water to survive).

All we have encountered atleast.

[Gernbuster]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

interesting but that then brings us back to the circular logic argument.

The term "machine devils" is interesting, almost fanatical. Which raised the question if these people refered to reapers as "machine devils" then why build them in the first place which the child claims t o have done.

I can understand an ancient race calling reapers "machine devils" if they just came across them, but if they were created for a purpose by said race then they must have had a better name that "machine devil?" Why would you create something and call it devil? Unless devil means something else in their culture.

You could counter argue the name is just a name, but at least with Geth it was revealed that this name was picked as it meant servant/slave in the quarian language

Maybe I am looking into it waay to much

Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.

Ah right are you using this in the context that this supports the IT?

I.e. Kuman Shol was indoctrianted and saw the ghost boy?  I couldn't watch the video(at work) so assumed that you were using this as evidence that the godchild was "real"

 But ok I will take the time and explain what I mean:

Imagine if a Reaper tries to indoctrinate somebody, it always ends up to some sort of illusion. Shol met Souvereign and of course got indoctrinated -.-
Imagine, the Reaper is going through your mind to built  up the illusion. If u read the books you know
everything I said so far is fact.
Of course Shol wasn't talking to the ghostly boy. The Reapers take from the memories, what might affect the person the most, In his case it might be a massive ghostly pot filled with gold (joke) who told him the story: We are the Reapers, we come along every 50000 years to protect organics, not to get killed by synthetics. (machine devils)
Same as Saren he gets indoctrinated and tries to help the Reapers to come back.

Any questions?

PS: 1. Shol is a key person, billionär and one of the first person who found Souvereign, he simply got replaced by Saren at the end of the first book.

Yeah thanks, it's been a while since I have read the books and I'm useless at remembering names. As I said I thought that this was being produced as evidence that the ghostboy was part of an ancient species and therefore real which makes the events at the end of the game also real.

Now I understand you are using it as an example of someone who is indoctrinated seeing this type of figure therefore Shepard seeing it means Shep is indoctrinated. 

Thanks for clearing that up for me

Ummmm it says its surface temp is -109 celcius... The crew and squadmates were obviously standing outside exposed during the ending... Not possible.

It also makes no sense that planet with 109 celcious can have any life at all since the temperature where water boils it 100 degrees (And ALL life needs water to survive).

You are kidding me right?
Pls pls pls pls reat carefully what i wrote.
The planet on the picture IS NOT AITE its something completly different.
The planet on the video link I already posted 5 times is the planet where they crash!

[n00bsauce2010]

bigstig wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

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Ummmm it says its surface temp is -109 celcius... The crew and squadmates were obviously standing outside exposed during the ending... Not possible.

Yeah, I'm not convinced it's the same planet. Without a suit Joker would suffer from hypothermia almost instantly plus at that temp there would be no plants or running water etc

The bit I was focusing on was that someone who is indoctrinated also claimed to have seen a ghostly precence. Hence Shepard seeing it could be viewed as evidence of indoctrination

So the planet overlord dlc takes place on has two moons as well? Zorya, the planet zaeed's loyalty mission takes place on also has two moons the same proportional size. So both of them make sense.

[MadRabbit999]

Gernbuster wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

bigstig wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I found the planet, where the Normandy crashes Guess you will like it

btw something else:

Very very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this...

interesting but that then brings us back to the circular logic argument.

The term "machine devils" is interesting, almost fanatical. Which raised the question if these people refered to reapers as "machine devils" then why build them in the first place which the child claims t o have done.

I can understand an ancient race calling reapers "machine devils" if they just came across them, but if they were created for a purpose by said race then they must have had a better name that "machine devil?" Why would you create something and call it devil? Unless devil means something else in their culture.

You could counter argue the name is just a name, but at least with Geth it was revealed that this name was picked as it meant servant/slave in the quarian language

Maybe I am looking into it waay to much

Isn't it quit obvious?
The child tells Shep, the Reapers are the good machienes, which protect organic from "evil" synthetics.
This might be their standart indoctrination argument.
Saren thought as well, the Reaper would safe/help us.



PS: sorry I missed u might have not read the book. The volus had contact to souvereign and got indoctrinated.

Ah right are you using this in the context that this supports the IT?

I.e. Kuman Shol was indoctrianted and saw the ghost boy?  I couldn't watch the video(at work) so assumed that you were using this as evidence that the godchild was "real"

 But ok I will take the time and explain what I mean:

Imagine if a Reaper tries to indoctrinate somebody, it always ends up to some sort of illusion. Shol met Souvereign and of course got indoctrinated -.-
Imagine, the Reaper is going through your mind to built  up the illusion. If u read the books you know
everything I said so far is fact.
Of course Shol wasn't talking to the ghostly boy. The Reapers take from the memories, what might affect the person the most, In his case it might be a massive ghostly pot filled with gold (joke) who told him the story: We are the Reapers, we come along every 50000 years to protect organics, not to get killed by synthetics. (machine devils)
Same as Saren he gets indoctrinated and tries to help the Reapers to come back.

Any questions?

PS: 1. Shol is a key person, billionär and one of the first person who found Souvereign, he simply got replaced by Saren at the end of the first book.

Yeah thanks, it's been a while since I have read the books and I'm useless at remembering names. As I said I thought that this was being produced as evidence that the ghostboy was part of an ancient species and therefore real which makes the events at the end of the game also real.

Now I understand you are using it as an example of someone who is indoctrinated seeing this type of figure therefore Shepard seeing it means Shep is indoctrinated. 

Thanks for clearing that up for me

Ummmm it says its surface temp is -109 celcius... The crew and squadmates were obviously standing outside exposed during the ending... Not possible.

It also makes no sense that planet with 109 celcious can have any life at all since the temperature where water boils it 100 degrees (And ALL life needs water to survive).

You are kidding me right?
Pls pls pls pls reat carefully what i wrote.
The planet on the picture IS NOT AITE its something completly different.
The planet on the video link I already posted 5 times is the planet where they crash!

I was just answering the poster above me, did not check if what he wrote was actually the truth, my bad I guess.

Out of topic: I wish BW would fix these boards by giving you the option of quoting one  thing only.. not the  quote of the quote, of the quote....

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 mars 2012 - 02:10 .

[Stigweird85]

Okay, can we get a summary here of the significance of these planets.

I haven't been paying that much attention to that side as there are millions and millions of planets/stars in the galaxy so I haven't put much stock in the - this planet looks totally that planet argument.

[Dance Craze]

You can remove the other quotes manually

[Gernbuster]

[quote]MadRabbit999 wrote...

[quote]Gernbuster wrote...


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You are kidding me right?
Pls pls pls pls reat carefully what i wrote.
The planet on the picture IS NOT AITE its something completly different.
The planet on the video link I already posted 5 times is the planet where they crash![/quote]

I was just answering the poster above me, did not check if what he wrote was actually the truth, my bad I guess.

Out of topic: I wish BW would fix these boards by giving you the option of quoting one  thing only.. not the  quote of the quote, of the quote....

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Np, ^^
better now?

[llbountyhunter]

Dance Craze wrote...

I just realized something and I am not sure if it relates to the theory or not but it is a discrepancy with the ending:

The wave that destroys/synthesis/controls the reapers is moving very slow on the galactic scale. At the speed it is moving on earth it would take months for the wave to reach the edges of the solar system and since the wave cannot make a mass relay jump, it must travel that way across the galaxy. Then they show the Normandy out running it due to its FTL drive I suppose, however even at the speed of light it would take hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of years to reach the edges of the galaxy. Everyone on Palaven, Tuchanka, Thessia, Sur'Kesh etc would be dead from the reapers by the time that wave reached them.

As a side note: Shepard must be the catalyst, regardless of theory since he initiates the crucible. The ghost child actually does nothing.

I think that was done more for theatrical purposes, if it was shown traveling at a feasible spread you wouldn't be able to see it.