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[njfluffy19]

I think it's meant for humour.

[MadRabbit999]

Flapperrr wrote...

All described below - only a fruit of the imagination of the unknown author, this text has no intentions someone to offend or on something to provoke.

On April 6, PAX - Hudson declares that the ending of ME3 won't be changed, and also disproves popular TI;
On April 7 - at Internet forums the new wave of hatred and indignation rises;
On April 10 - in Bioware studio the party of color fruitcakes is delivered;
On April 12 - to mass media there is an active discussion of mass poisoning of the Canadian developers;
On April 14 - Casey makes the next statement: "the provoked diarrhea at employees couldn't prevent our plans on DLC release. New suits and guns for a multiplayer are already ready to shipment". After interview many journalists heard Hudson's long mischievous laughter behind a slip;
On April 15 - worldwide the disappointed admirers of ME arrange pickets. To surprise of some Internet provokers, on streets there were an intelligent look aged people of 20-49 years;
On April 16 - it became known that Peter Jackson, the director of the well-known film trilogy "Lord of the Rings" took part in meeting. The British actor Ian Makkellen (Gendalf) published unfavourable news: shootings of long-awaited "Hobbit" were frozen more than a month ago because of a long depression of Peter;
On April 18 - Muzika suddenly died in own house approximately in 5:00 mornings on standard Pacific time. The rupture of the mitralny valve became a cause of death. Speak, it at last passed ME3 up to the end;
On May 20 - after monthly calm, the world is dumbfounded by a new message: the Supreme court of the USA made the decision to satisfy Richard Simon's claim and to collect from Bioware and sanction EA of 600 million dollars. We remind that initially business was considered by district court of the State of Maryland;
On May 22 - representatives of EA declared Bioware sale from a hammer. The prize left for 2 million dollars to the citizen of Germany Uwe Ball;
On May 23 - Casey Hudson was convicted besides other of financial frauds. As it became clear, the solid part of the budget of ME3 settled on its offshore accounts. The swindler is put on the international wanted list;
On July 6 - the leading screenwriter of ME1 and Drew Karpishin's ME2 published in the blog: ". this person. it simply took and suddenly destroyed laborious work of one hundred people. From my Universe there was only charred counter of N7... Now there are active negotiations with Obsidian if they pass successfully, we at last will present Masses to Effect that ending which he really deserves";
On July 18 - the new Obsidian project is officially declared. To them became long-awaited аддон to ME3 which completely will copy the termination of the great science-fiction saga. Many former employees of Bioware are involved in development under the direct management Karpishina. More than 15 hours of a gameplay, variability and answers to many questions interesting admirers are expected;
On August 1 - Hudson disappearing from the law Casey is found dead in a gay club toilet in Toronto. The death was caused by a bullet wound in temporal area of a skull. The official version - suicide. However anonymous sources argue that it is result of professional work of field investigators confidential divisions "Special Tactics and Reconnaissance".

No matter what will happen BW will NEVER dismiss IT, and I seriously doubt they will encourage it either.. they want speculations.. if they give yo u answer they break what they originally intended... which means that the DLC will only either give you more clues toward IT or just fill the gaps and plotholes...

[Rifneno]

cyborg2501 wrote...

Anyone else think it was foolish of them to take the Reaper heart and use it to power the Crucible? Seems like a BAD IDEA

OMG, right?  I wanted to send this to Hackett:

[Princess_Ozma]

So I think the two most likely sources for Shepard's Indoctrination are the Reaper IFF installed on Normandy-2 and the Reaper Artifact from Arrival (since Shepard was knocked out for some considerable time on that station)...  Though since James complained about humming I"m thinking it's the IFF that did most of the damage...

Also if you go renegade in ME 2 and don't heal your scars, your eyes seem to take on the Indoctrination pattern seen on Saren and IM (though red instead of blue/green)... This is interesting because the path that a pure renegade playthrough on ME2 will take you in is the control path which as pointed out appears to be the Paragon path during the ending/possible indoctrination.

[Jaxitty]

DreamTension wrote...

"All described below - only a fruit of the imagination of the unknown author, this text has no intentions someone to offend or on something to provoke."

That doesn't give you the right to make these vulgar predictions. Can we keep it civil?

My two cents.

I think it's funny, and not one of us hasn't had even a nano second though on one of those? you're lieing to yourself. "sides, we all respect Bioware and the ME teams, have no wish to hurt them or wish them any inury. Deeeeep breaths.

[njfluffy19]

Well, for teh lulz I found this:

[Rifneno]

DreamTension wrote...

"All described below - only a fruit of the imagination of the unknown author, this text has no intentions someone to offend or on something to provoke."

That doesn't give you the right to make these vulgar predictions. Can we keep it civil?

My two cents.

QFT.  That was sick and wrong.  Like Dragon Age 2. 

[Henioo]

Princess_Ozma wrote...

So I think the two most likely sources for Shepard's Indoctrination are the Reaper IFF installed on Normandy-2 and the Reaper Artifact from Arrival (since Shepard was knocked out for some considerable time on that station)...  Though since James complained about humming I"m thinking it's the IFF that did most of the damage...

I personally suspect that, if the theory is right, the indocrination may have started with the "prothean" beacons. They could have been altered by indocrinated forces or Saren himself, especially the one on Virmire. Note that Sovereign connects to you right after you connect with the beacon.

[ContraMan]

@Rifneno

This is what I kept coming back to the more I thought about it. Having played through the game a second time, I'm left with more questions than before.

I have to believe that Bioware wouldn't try and give us a "high-minded" ending that required intense intellectual reflection. I don't mind the reflection but I wouldn't think that they would cause me and to say the very least a very vocal portion of their fans to stop and fight a feeling of nihilism. The story leading up to the end was engaging and powerful... but how could they give us an "all for naught" feeling?

There's build-up and decisions prior matter, but the end game is so colored [har] with very similar results that they've only proved that no matter what you do, you're stuck with your ship being marooned on a planet, the major transportation infrastructure destroyed and you dead... not even elaborating on the other plotholes (species stuck on Earth starving to death from lack of food or lack of compatible food... etc et al).

[DreamTension]

Jaxitty wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

"All described below - only a fruit of the imagination of the unknown author, this text has no intentions someone to offend or on something to provoke."

That doesn't give you the right to make these vulgar predictions. Can we keep it civil?

My two cents.

I think it's funny, and not one of us hasn't had even a nano second though on one of those? you're lieing to yourself. "sides, we all respect Bioware and the ME teams, have no wish to hurt them or wish them any inury. Deeeeep breaths.

Maybe I misread it all wrong.  Whatever.  I just don't want this thread to become hateful or malicious towards anybody.

Moving on...

[Kanon777]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...


Ummmm it says its surface temp is -109 celcius... The crew and squadmates were obviously standing outside exposed during the ending... Not possible.

It also makes no sense that planet with 109 celcious can have any life at all since the temperature where water boils it 100 degrees (And ALL life needs water to survive).

lol -109 celcius, the - sign means below 0 temperature  

The planet is not too hot for normal life, its too cold. Their blood would freeze as soon as they got out of the normandy...

Modifié par tobito113, 29 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[Alex_Dur4and]

Indoctrination theory!!!

You want proof???

Here you go! Watch and enjoy!!!!





Master piece!!!

[CannotCompute]

So what do you guys think will happen if Shep really does wake up back on Earth? BioWare would have to hire at least 10-15 VA's to record additional dialogue if we would still have to deal with Harbinger, reunite with the crew, see the conclusion of the war and get the real showdown with TIM.

Imagine how much resources this will take. I doubt BW will let the player continue after that point.

[n00bsauce2010]

tobito113 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...


Ummmm it says its surface temp is -109 celcius... The crew and squadmates were obviously standing outside exposed during the ending... Not possible.

It also makes no sense that planet with 109 celcious can have any life at all since the temperature where water boils it 100 degrees (And ALL life needs water to survive).

lol -109 celcius, the - sign means below 0 temperature  

The planet is not too hot for normal life, its too cold. Their blood would freeze as soon as they got out of the normandy...

That planet was merely just a claim that the guy who was running operations on it was indoctrinated. Seeing ghost like beings of light telling him it was his destiny to look for artifacts/writing on the planet.

The planet the end where the normandy crashes could either be Zorya (zaeed's dlc) or Aite (overlord dlc) both of 2 moons the same proportional size as the one in the crash scene. Also both have jungle environments.

[Kanon777]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

That planet was merely just a claim that the guy who was running operations on it was indoctrinated. Seeing ghost like beings of light telling him it was his destiny to look for artifacts/writing on the planet.

The planet the end where the normandy crashes could either be Zorya (zaeed's dlc) or Aite (overlord dlc) both of 2 moons the same proportional size as the one in the crash scene. Also both have jungle environments.

I understand that im talking about the 109/-109 error he made.

[DreamTension]

CannotCompute wrote...

So what do you guys think will happen if Shep really does wake up back on Earth? BioWare would have to hire at least 10-15 VA's to record additional dialogue if we would still have to deal with Harbinger, reunite with the crew, see the conclusion of the war and get the real showdown with TIM.

Imagine how much resources this will take. I doubt BW will let the player continue after that point.

Kind of depends on if this is planned or not.  If planned, then VO and most of the scenes are done and just need final touches.
If not planned, then they may have to get creative with VO (assuming they don't have 'stock' VO that they can use).  If not planned, it would explain the need to work on additional content.

From what I expect, maybe an hour or two hours of gameplay.  Final battle with harbinger, confrontation with TIM, Crucible, and then resolution with crew etc.  You could possibly due it less than an hour, but we will see.

[BastiSito]

crazyeye343 wrote...

wouldn't it be awesome if Bioware was just waiting for this to reach 1000 pages to say "hey, Your right!"

More impressively:

"Well, you are right, there is much more to come and much more to it. But your Indoctrination Theory is just wrong or - at best - a minor part of it, just like .5%"

[BastiSito]

tobito113 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...


It also makes no sense that planet with 109 celcious can have any life at all since the temperature where water boils it 100 degrees (And ALL life needs water to survive).

lol -109 celcius, the - sign means below 0 temperature  

The planet is not too hot for normal life, its too cold. Their blood would freeze as soon as they got out of the normandy...

Actually humans can survive in a -100 Celsius environment for quite some time (it is used for therapeutic reasons) and actually, life as we know, carbon-based and very earth-centric, needs water.

[Sammuthegreat]

DreamTension wrote...

CannotCompute wrote...

So what do you guys think will happen if Shep really does wake up back on Earth? BioWare would have to hire at least 10-15 VA's to record additional dialogue if we would still have to deal with Harbinger, reunite with the crew, see the conclusion of the war and get the real showdown with TIM.

Imagine how much resources this will take. I doubt BW will let the player continue after that point.

Kind of depends on if this is planned or not.  If planned, then VO and most of the scenes are done and just need final touches.
If not planned, then they may have to get creative with VO (assuming they don't have 'stock' VO that they can use).  If not planned, it would explain the need to work on additional content.

From what I expect, maybe an hour or two hours of gameplay.  Final battle with harbinger, confrontation with TIM, Crucible, and then resolution with crew etc.  You could possibly due it less than an hour, but we will see.

I've been saying this all along. The resources needed (not just money - see later) suggest that either it's all on the disk already, or we're setting ourselves up for a major disappointment.

Regarding the resources - if there was nothing recorded for a post-ending DLC, then there's no chance we'll be getting anything substantial for a long time yet. It's not just that getting all the voice actors back in would be expensive (in fact it probably wouldn't cost much, seeing as their contracts will almost certainly include any DLC to be made), but instead it's the time aspect. It's extremely unlikely that they could get all the voice actors necessary for a proper ending to come and record in the four weeks since release. They're all professional actors with busy schedules, and it would be a logistical nightmare.

That said, I'm still hoping the dialogue is all already recorded so it's just a matter of unlocking it/releasing the existing post-Starchild content via download...

[anmiro]

DreamTension wrote...

anmiro wrote...

People are over sipmlifying when they say its all a dream. Indoctrination has been a major theme from the moment that we are introduced to Saren on Eden Prime and he shoots his friend Nihlus. The end of ME3 is about the battle for Shepards mind and ultimately the Reapers attempt to influence the final choice that we get to make.

Personally, I loved 99% of this game. The 1% that I was not happy with was the final cut scene, 'not' the the final choice or the moments leading up to it. The Final cutscene should have offerred more closure, but that has nothing to do with indoctrination theory.

Indoctrination theory as I interpret it, does not alter the final choice that Shepard has to make, it simply points out that Shepard is not in is his right mind becuase the Reapers are trying to control him. Out of the the three choices, only one results in the destrucction of the Reapers and it is the only ending that shows Shepard waking up and taking a breath (because the Reapers have lost their hold on him).

The Unanswered Questions:
Neither the indoctrination theory or the literal interpretation of the ending address other major issues with the end of the game, such as: Has the destruction of the mass relays destroyed more life than Reapers would have? Why did Joker and your crew leave the Sol system in the midde of the battle? Where is Joker going and where has he crashed? We clearly see the Citadel being destroyed, so where is Shepard when we see him wake up? If he is still on earth, than how was he interracting with the crucible?

I get that people have a problem with the end of the game, so do I, but in my opinion this is a seprate issue from the merit of indoctrination theory.

Indoctrination Theory is assuming that Shepard is under the indoctrination and is trying to fight it off either 1) right after Harbinger's beam or 2) at the elevator ride (right before star child).  More supporting evidence has the Indoctrination process starting right after the beam (basically when all gameplay becomes surreal).
So those unanswered questions are actually not relevant because none of that was real; it was his mind trying to fight off the ID and if he fails (control/synthesis) he's fully under indoctrination so he's seeing what his mind wants.


Yeah, it's become obvious that the naysayers are either not reading/understanding what the Indoctrination Theory is stating or they ignoring it to bend/distort it so they can bash it.

Indoctrination has never been presented as a single battle for control. In every instance that we have seen some one being indoctrinated, Saren, Greyson, TIM, its never just one battle for control; indoctrination is unrelenting. Those being indoctrinated always try to resist but it only causes the Reapers to dig their impants deaper and tighten their grip until they have complete control. If the Reapers havent actually been destroyed yet when Shepard wakes up at the end than it means hes still battling his indoctrination.

Also, If Shepard is just lying in a heap of rubble on earth and everything beyond the point of being blasted by a lazer is just one big battle for Shepard's mind, than even with the best possible ending, nothing is resovled. Its and unfinished game. If thats all there is, than thats sucks. Even if Bioware plans to release DLC with a true ending than that still sucks for anyone who can't downlaod DLC; they will never experience the true ending of the game. I also think that it makes the ending even more convoluted than it already is.

The only reason the Reapers would have for indoctrinating Shepard would be to influence the choice he is about to make, i.e. destroy, control, synthesis, which implies that his choice is going to have consequences. I still think there is merit to indoctrination theory, but I think you need to assume that Crucible has actually fired and that Shepards choice will determine its 'Mass Effect.'

Modifié par anmiro, 29 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[DreamTension]

anmiro wrote...
Indoctrination has never been presented as a single battle for control. In every instance that we have seen some one being indoctrinated, Saren, Greyson, TIM, its never just one battle for control; indoctrination is unrelenting. Those being indoctrinated always try to resist but it only causes the Reapers to dig their impants deaper and tighten their grip until they have complete control. If the Reapers havent actually been destroyed yet when Shepard wakes up at the end than it means hes still battling his indoctrination.

Also, If Shepard is just lying in a heap of rubble on earth and everything beyond the point of being blasted by a lazer is just one big battle for Shepard's mind, than even if with the best possible ending, nothing is resovled. Its and unfinished game. If thats all there is, than thats sucks. Even if Bioware plans to release DLC with a true ending than that still sucks for anyone who can't downlaod DLC; they will never experience the true ending of the game. I also think that it makes the ending even more convaluted than it already is.

The only reason the Reapers would have for indoctrinating Shepard would be to influence the choice he is about to make, i.e. destroy, control, synthesis, which implies that his choice is going to have consequences. I still think there is merit to indoctrination theory, but I think you need to assume that Crucible has actually fired and that Shepards choice will determine its 'Mass Effect.'

Every character above has already been Indoctrinated.  They all say (to the effect) no I'm not or I'm in control.  They do not realize it.  The IDT we see is the battle over his mind. 
I definitely think there's a reason the Reapers want to control Shepard instead of just killing him.  Not sure why.  I agree with those that say 'why not just kill him' but I believe there's a deeper reason.  By controlling, perhaps, that would give them better odds because if you kill him after he movitivated the entire galaxy to fight it might strengthen the enemies resolve.  Speculations...

What if they had a plan to make sure everybody either gets the DLC or they already have it?  It's a long shot, but I'm preferring to just wait and see what their plan is and then praise/bash it.  There have been twitter posts already about BioWare doing whatever is necessary to get the DLC so...let's just see.

[GunGrave TZA]

It's interesting to note how very popular this theory has gotten very quickly...

...Yet BioWare have not made a single comment on it. Maybe this is true after all.

[Vox Draco]

DreamTension wrote...
Every character above has already been Indoctrinated.  They all say (to the effect) no I'm not or I'm in control.  They do not realize it.  The IDT we see is the battle over his mind. 
I definitely think there's a reason the Reapers want to control Shepard instead of just killing him.  Not sure why.  I agree with those that say 'why not just kill him' but I believe there's a deeper reason.  By controlling, perhaps, that would give them better odds because if you kill him after he movitivated the entire galaxy to fight it might strengthen the enemies resolve.  Speculations...

What if they had a plan to make sure everybody either gets the DLC or they already have it?  It's a long shot, but I'm preferring to just wait and see what their plan is and then praise/bash it.  There have been twitter posts already about BioWare doing whatever is necessary to get the DLC so...let's just see.

The Big Harvest sometimes seems to have taken centuries until completion, and the Protheans resisted fierclly almost to the bitter end, and then even came up with a plan to destroy/thwart the next cycle with the conduit and sabotage of the citadel.

Threfore an indoctrinated "hero" of the galaxy would be an incredible...catalyst?...to accelerate the Harvest...

[Kanon777]

BastiSito wrote...

Actually humans can survive in a -100 Celsius environment for quite some time (it is used for therapeutic reasons) and actually, life as we know, carbon-based and very earth-centric, needs water.

Water freezes at 0° celsius so i really doubt that humans in normal clothes could survive -100º when our body mass is 70% composed of water.

Modifié par tobito113, 29 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[Fangalho]

I don't know if this has been posted before;
I don't know if this is fake or not;

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