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[Thomas Shepard]

@ waldstr18 Okay. I get where you're coming from, but may I remind you that if you died in ME2 the game assumed that you survived for example. I mean there are only so many deviations that a tree-type plot structure can support. The devs still have to have some way to keep you on the canon path. Also the ending is not really the same if you blow up the Reapers on low EMS since you get a cutscene of Earth going bye-bye. As for your question about the EMS, you need 4k EMS to have the breath ending when doing the Renegade Interrupt, and 5k without it. Pretty tough to do without the MP, if not impossible, but there is also the option of just editing a couple of the main assets' values in the game files, so that you always get enough EMS, if you don't want to play the MP. ME wikia shows how.

Oh, almost forgot, I am a second year law student, but I am about to switch over to chemical engineering. Really want to build myself a Mass Effect core

[waldstr18]

dont change it just on my account. im not a very good chart reader. actually im not a good anything reader. so dont worry if i didnt get it right away.

[nyrocron]

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

[lots of text]

Thank you. Exactly how I felt about it. I hope they are really pulling this off.

[FlyinElk212]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but...

Listen to the music in the final scene very carefully, with headphones if possible. That eery pitch-ascending "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" tone that was prevalent in the scene directly after Shepard got hit by Harbinger (18 secs in) can be faintly heard in the background.

Does that mean anything? Who knows.

[waldstr18]

@thomas

thats actually a very good point. i have to hand it to you. yet why wouldnt they let me be indoctrinated, if they let me die in the second game? actually i would really appreciate it if im allowed to fail. and in the next mass effect game they can assume i didnt. to give me only the canon ending in this game just so its canon... i dont like it. but i see your point. still im not conviced.

as for your studyies: you crazy? first law now chemical engineering? why would anyone volluntarily choose that? just to build your own me core?

see.. im studying applied computer science, cause at the orientation thingy i said i want the courses with the most virgins in it. but unfortunately i failed to say "female" virgins. i have been sitting in the sausage warehouse for 4 years now.. hopefully im done soon. but i think im better off than you are....

[shepskisaac]

waldstr18 wrote...
really? im melting my brain into the keyboard and you come up with that?

Oh yes I did

waldstr18 wrote...

anderson was the good/resistant part in your mind. the little timmy was the bad/indoctrinated part. once you decide against him, you have passed the first test, and are a little less under the control of the reaper so to speak.. but the fight is not over.

i hope that clarifies that.

Hmm, a little less under control yet the whispers and dark veins are completly gone? Nope. People use these things to showcase and prove indoctrination "in work", then it should be present in the StarChild scene too.

[Golferguy758]

waldstr18 wrote...

@thomas

thats actually a very good point. i have to hand it to you. yet why wouldnt they let me be indoctrinated, if they let me die in the second game? actually i would really appreciate it if im allowed to fail. and in the next mass effect game they can assume i didnt. to give me only the canon ending in this game just so its canon... i dont like it. but i see your point. still im not conviced.

as for your studyies: you crazy? first law now chemical engineering? why would anyone volluntarily choose that? just to build your own me core?

see.. im studying applied computer science, cause at the orientation thingy i said i want the courses with the most virgins in it. but unfortunately i failed to say "female" virgins. i have been sitting in the sausage warehouse for 4 years now.. hopefully im done soon. but i think im better off than you are....

I'd imagine that if you chose green or blue you'd play an "indoctrinated" Shepard for the last bit of the game. That'd be pretty cool if you ended up fighting your former allies or whatever

[Sire Styx]

IsaacShep wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...
really? im melting my brain into the keyboard and you come up with that?

Oh yes I did

waldstr18 wrote...

anderson was the good/resistant part in your mind. the little timmy was the bad/indoctrinated part. once you decide against him, you have passed the first test, and are a little less under the control of the reaper so to speak.. but the fight is not over.

i hope that clarifies that.

Hmm, a little less under control yet the whispers and dark veins are completly gone? Nope. People use these things to showcase and prove indoctrination "in work", then it should be present in the StarChild scene too.

Indoctrination can be subtle. Seeing as we aren't Shepard and can't feel what they feel, indoctrination has to be represented by veins. When the indoctrination is subtle, they are not there. When the indoctrination is happening and Shepard is very much aware of it, then it's possible that we see the lines.

[balance5050]

IsaacShep wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...
really? im melting my brain into the keyboard and you come up with that?

Oh yes I did

waldstr18 wrote...

anderson was the good/resistant part in your mind. the little timmy was the bad/indoctrinated part. once you decide against him, you have passed the first test, and are a little less under the control of the reaper so to speak.. but the fight is not over.

i hope that clarifies that.

Hmm, a little less under control yet the whispers and dark veins are completly gone? Nope. People use these things to showcase and prove indoctrination "in work", then it should be present in the StarChild scene too.

Nope, this is indicating the indo side of his brain struggling against the non indo side. No one has ever been able to control Sheps movements before this scene. The shadows show when indoctrination is tightening its grip.

[shepskisaac]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I can't remember any time when Saren or anyone who was indoctrinated was able to take control of a person. It's never happened before, so why is TIM suddenly different?

He and Henry Lawson were studying indoctrination and cracked it. And then TIM undergoes a procedure that gives him Reaper-mimicking capabilities. Just as he is able to duplicate Reaper-Collector communication system with his troops AND control husks, he is able to perform indoctrination or at least serve as a vessel for indoctrination process Reapers perform. But when he's gone, it's over. I recognize the TIM scene as indoctrination, there's little doubt about that, but I simply believe it's not a halucination/dream but a real scene and after TIM is gone, the indoctrination's finished (regardless if it was just TIM doing it or TIM aided by Reapers or Reapers through TIM). Then, it's just the Catalyst trying to convince you to not destroy them.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 29 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[Sire Styx]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but...

Listen to the music in the final scene very carefully, with headphones if possible. That eery pitch-ascending "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" tone that was prevalent in the scene directly after Shepard got hit by Harbinger (18 secs in) can be faintly heard in the background.

Does that mean anything? Who knows.

I can't remember exactly, but reapers indoctrinate through many means, including sounds. Strange noises at times when we think indoctrination is occuring may be evidence (although it may just be ambience).

[Thomas Shepard]

@waldstr18
Virgin thing was awesome

Hey, to each his own (Was kidding about the ME core. Kinda.)

Anyway, they do give you the option to fail. They give you two actually. The ones where your eyes get all Reaper-y.

I think that the reason they made the lowest EMS get the proper ending was that people playing in story mode, or action mode, or whatever it's called that miss the decisions throughout the game can still get to play the post-awakening stuff.

As for the sausage fest... Dude, I study in England. The native chicks look like they can roll to class, and the ones that aren't from England are mostly a bit off culturaly. Don't really get sarcasm or their English isn't good enough. At least you can shop around

[shepskisaac]

Sire Styx wrote...

Indoctrination can be subtle. Seeing as we aren't Shepard and can't feel what they feel, indoctrination has to be represented by veins. When the indoctrination is subtle, they are not there. When the indoctrination is happening and Shepard is very much aware of it, then it's possible that we see the lines.

Subtle indoctrination takes months/years to give any effect. Not exactly right time when Shep is about to destroy Reapers in 5 minutes.

[llbountyhunter]

IsaacShep wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...
really? im melting my brain into the keyboard and you come up with that?

Oh yes I did

waldstr18 wrote...

anderson was the good/resistant part in your mind. the little timmy was the bad/indoctrinated part. once you decide against him, you have passed the first test, and are a little less under the control of the reaper so to speak.. but the fight is not over.

i hope that clarifies that.

Hmm, a little less under control yet the whispers and dark veins are completly gone? Nope. People use these things to showcase and prove indoctrination "in work", then it should be present in the StarChild scene too.

Not really, then it would be to obvious for you and Shepard the danger still hasn't passed..... its supposed to make you bring your guard down and think the danger has passed- you know like a dream within an dream: you think your safe- then bam! You just doomed the entire human race.

[steve3194]

When the game loads after the ending it loads before the cerberus base mission.

When this ending dlc comes out ( which at this stage it's fairly likely to in some shape or form)
do you think we'll have to continue play from there or after being cooked by harbinger?

[Mike Aus]

The vains are an indication that Shepard is trying to fight it. Anderson and TIM are in his head...

By the time the child appears, it's too late. He's lost. They've indoctrinated him.

I just watched the ending again and there are so many clues it's not funny. Like Shepard saying "I feel like death." The ending is like smeone describing a nightmare.

[FlyinElk212]

Sire Styx wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but...

Listen to the music in the final scene very carefully, with headphones if possible. That eery pitch-ascending "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" tone that was prevalent in the scene directly after Shepard got hit by Harbinger (18 secs in) can be faintly heard in the background.

Does that mean anything? Who knows.

I can't remember exactly, but reapers indoctrinate through many means, including sounds. Strange noises at times when we think indoctrination is occuring may be evidence (although it may just be ambience).

Truth, but if it is indeed just ambience, it's strange that they'd choose the same bits for both parts of the game. Not like they need that bit of ambience, particularly in the final scene, where there's a tune playing over it.

[ME3endingsucks2]

waldstr you have posted absolute dog **** as for why you think IT is wrong, when anyone asks you you just say you've said it already, but the fact is you haven't. You are either an astronomical idiot, or an astronomical douche to troll on a thread for a video game.

[IronSabbath88]

IsaacShep wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I can't remember any time when Saren or anyone who was indoctrinated was able to take control of a person. It's never happened before, so why is TIM suddenly different?

He and Henry Lawson were studying indoctrination and cracked it. And then TIM undergoes a procedure that gives him Reaper-mimicking capabilities. Just as he is able to duplicate Reaper-Collector communication system with his troops AND control husks, he is able to perform indoctrination or at least serve as a vessel for indoctrination process Reapers perform. But when he's gone, it's over. I recognize the TIM scene as indoctrination, there's little doubt about that, but I simply believe it's not a halucination/dream but a real scene and after TIM is gone, the indoctrination's finished (regardless if it was just TIM doing it or TIM aided by Reapers or Reapers through TIM). Then, it's just the Catalyst trying to convince you to not destroy them.

But that doesn't explain how he's able to control a person. It's beyond the realm of possibility. He and Henry were trying to figure out a way to control husks and the like.

You could argue that maybe Shepard had reaper tech implanted which made it easy, but that doesn't explain how he was able to do the same thing to Anderson.

Plus, if you remember the indoctrination codex entry, it says that you can be made to view the reaper itself with superstitious awe. So if the starchild WAS infact Harbinger and it was yet another attempt to completley control Shepard, there's a good chance he would be oblivious to it.

[Mike Aus]

IsaacShep wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

Indoctrination can be subtle. Seeing as we aren't Shepard and can't feel what they feel, indoctrination has to be represented by veins. When the indoctrination is subtle, they are not there. When the indoctrination is happening and Shepard is very much aware of it, then it's possible that we see the lines.

Subtle indoctrination takes months/years to give any effect. Not exactly right time when Shep is about to destroy Reapers in 5 minutes.

Yeah, but Shepard has been in contact with the reapers for many years. Hence why they introduce the kid at the start of the game - to show that the process is well underway already.

Also note the voices in Shepard's head (the murmurs). TIM and Anderson are voices in his own head, rationalising as well as trying to fight the Reapers.

There is a constant 'brrrrr' noise, especially when the 'tentacles' come.

Modifié par Mike Aus, 29 mars 2012 - 11:58 .

[shepskisaac]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Not really, then it would be to obvious for you and Shepard the danger still hasn't passed..... its supposed to make you bring your guard down and think the danger has passed- you know like a dream within an dream: you think your safe- then bam! You just doomed the entire human race.

So the indoctrination has to be so minimal not even whispers and veins will appear. So this indoctrination won't have any effect, such subtle indoctrination would take months to give any effect. Again, Reapers don't have time to try the subtle route with Shep when he's about to wipe them in 5 minutes

[Either.Ardrey]

steve3194 wrote...

When the game loads after the ending it loads before the cerberus base mission.

When this ending dlc comes out ( which at this stage it's fairly likely to in some shape or form)
do you think we'll have to continue play from there or after being cooked by harbinger?

The preCerberus save serves as the last free roam point in the game, which would be used for pre-ending DLC (such as the infamous rumored "Omega" DLC.)

There is also a mission save that starts right after Harbinger's blast (where we think the hallucination/indoc most likely starts), which would serve for one expanded ending DLC scenario. The other scenario is to use the LegendSave used for NewGame+

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 30 mars 2012 - 12:01 .

[llbountyhunter]

Golferguy758 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@thomas

thats actually a very good point. i have to hand it to you. yet why wouldnt they let me be indoctrinated, if they let me die in the second game? actually i would really appreciate it if im allowed to fail. and in the next mass effect game they can assume i didnt. to give me only the canon ending in this game just so its canon... i dont like it. but i see your point. still im not conviced.

as for your studyies: you crazy? first law now chemical engineering? why would anyone volluntarily choose that? just to build your own me core?

see.. im studying applied computer science, cause at the orientation thingy i said i want the courses with the most virgins in it. but unfortunately i failed to say "female" virgins. i have been sitting in the sausage warehouse for 4 years now.. hopefully im done soon. but i think im better off than you are....

I'd imagine that if you chose green or blue you'd play an "indoctrinated" Shepard for the last bit of the game. That'd be pretty cool if you ended up fighting your former allies or whatever

Yeah, and at the same time pushing ID making it seem like its the "right" thing to do- then you win in the end and all organics are destroyed and you take control of the reaper forces..... or something like that

[Sire Styx]

IsaacShep wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

Indoctrination can be subtle. Seeing as we aren't Shepard and can't feel what they feel, indoctrination has to be represented by veins. When the indoctrination is subtle, they are not there. When the indoctrination is happening and Shepard is very much aware of it, then it's possible that we see the lines.

Subtle indoctrination takes months/years to give any effect. Not exactly right time when Shep is about to destroy Reapers in 5 minutes.

Not necessarily. Shepard may be getting indoctrinated over the course of the game, if other parts of IT hold true. And if I mean subtle as in not obvious (like what the illusive man was doing) then they just have to guide Shepard to choose to wrong choices. I heard somewhere reapers just have to get you to do what they want, and you're indoctrinated (not sure how exactly, I'll have a look)

[Thomas Shepard]

IsaacShep wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Not really, then it would be to obvious for you and Shepard the danger still hasn't passed..... its supposed to make you bring your guard down and think the danger has passed- you know like a dream within an dream: you think your safe- then bam! You just doomed the entire human race.

So the indoctrination has to be so minimal not even whispers and veins will appear. So this indoctrination won't have any effect, such subtle indoctrination would take months to give any effect. Again, Reapers don't have time to try the subtle route with Shep when he's about to wipe them in 5 minutes

Dude, I pretty much think that it has already been established that the indoctrination has started way back. Plus, I think Harbringer has a personal thing going with Shepard. Am I the only one who noticed?