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[Sire Styx]

waldstr18 wrote...

they gave the cup cakes to a shelter?! thats a nice move. no complaints from my side.

but im afraid the shelter is going to start a retake cup cake movement, wanting to change the flavors of the cup cakes. and then there will be a "was it all just to lead to the real meal - appetizer theory" thread on the shelter's kitchen manual.

I actually lol'd.

At PAX, bioware is going to announce 3 new coloured cupcakes, yellow, orange and purple.

[llbountyhunter]

Sire Styx wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Mike Aus wrote...

Dude, I pretty much think that it has already been established that the indoctrination has started way back. Plus, I think Harbringer has a personal thing going with Shepard. Am I the only one who noticed?

Why go subtle in the critical moment when Reapers' lives depend on it? This is it, Shep is 1 minute walk away from killing the Reapers, this is the moment to go with rapid indoctrination on him to prevent him from destroying them, not risk subtle indoctrination where he has an option to break free. Especially considering he JUST broke free from much mroe intense indoctrination a few minutes ago

Forcing indoctrination onto Shepard is just causing resistance and will likely turn Shep into a mindless husk. Tricking shepard into choosing wrong encounters no resistance.

Yeah, what's easier indoc Shepard and make him doom his own species quickly and easily, or kill him and spend 200+ years gathering up all the organics..... who might even win the the battle out in space?

[waldstr18]

crap, i just realized its kitchen menu, not manual. sorry for that.

Modifié par waldstr18, 30 mars 2012 - 12:18 .

[Thomas Shepard]

waldstr18 wrote...

@thomas

another fine point, havent thought about the no decision option. but that would really suck for the story only players. no... i really dont think so.

the ending has nothing to do with game difficulty or how good you shoot everyones head off their shoulders. so the story guys are fine. the action guys on the other hand, i dont think that the predecided path leads you to the "only one choice" ending. i just cant see it. and since i dont think that either one of them is represented in this forum, i doubt you will be able to convince me with that line of thought.

about the girls. im studying in ex **** germany, the girls are... for the most part, very good looking, but are pretty easily singled out with the question: what is inception? everyone has seen the movie, of course, but what inception is in the movie... you wouldnt believe what answers i get.

I don't know. Usually in an RPG if you don't explore, you do expect to get the main quest and nothing else. From that point of view I don't really get what your beef is. If there truly is only one real "ending" where he picks destroy, which in turn leads you to the final confrontation (what mainstream IT proposes), then it makes sense that if you get a low EMS score you would  only get to finish the story, and not experience the depth of the Indoctrination mechanic.

[shepskisaac]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Yeah, what's easier indoc Shepard and make him doom his own species quickly and easily, or kill him and spend 200+ years gathering up all the organics..... who might even win the the battle out in space?

Don't forget about indoctrinating so subtly that it will have no effect in 5 minutes, especially since much stronger indoctrination had no effect just a moment ago ^^

[Sire Styx]

Best case scenario for reapers:
Indoctrinate Shepard, Shepard then tells all the allies to fly into the sun. Reapers win

Worst case scenario for reapers:
Indoctrination fails, Harbringer has to fire another laser at Shepard, then they continue to reap everyone.

I can't see why the reapers wouldn't at least try to indoctrinate Shepard

[llbountyhunter]

IsaacShep wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

"Rapid indoctrination ". Wow. Surely even you can see how weak the counter arguments supporting the rreal ending are compared to the theory your trying to find flaws in

My theory is weaker? A theory in which TIM indoctrinates/controls Shep and Anderson thanks to implants he got AFTER studying extensively Reaper's ways of indoctrination, control and communication is weaker than a theory in which the entire ending is a complete hallucination? c'mon

Aha! You see it just depends on what side of the coin your on- I personally find your arguments laughably frail.

[Soul Tumor]

I wish it had been,i certainly dont like the one i saw. But seriously, imoits the only way to make sense of all the plot holes and contradictions it created. But time will tell.

[Mike Aus]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Mike Aus wrote...

Dude, I pretty much think that it has already been established that the indoctrination has started way back. Plus, I think Harbringer has a personal thing going with Shepard. Am I the only one who noticed?

Why go subtle in the critical moment when Reapers' lives depend on it? This is it, Shep is 1 minute walk away from killing the Reapers, this is the moment to go with rapid indoctrination on him to prevent him from destroying them, not risk subtle indoctrination where he has an option to break free. Especially considering he JUST broke free from much mroe intense indoctrination a few minutes ago

Forcing indoctrination onto Shepard is just causing resistance and will likely turn Shep into a mindless husk. Tricking shepard into choosing wrong encounters no resistance.

Yeah, what's easier indoc Shepard and make him doom his own species quickly and easily, or kill him and spend 200+ years gathering up all the organics..... who might even win the the battle out in space?

Their best option is to inodctriante him. Like they did TIM and look how many followed him.

If the symbol of himanity becomes indoctrinated - everyone will follow. That's why everyone followed to help Shapard save Earth.

If they can't, then they'll just leave him there in the rubble.

Notice that Harbinger leaves before the scene with Shepard waking up is shown. In effect, all that will play out in the next 20 minutes of the ending has already played out before that scene.

[llbountyhunter]

IsaacShep wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Yeah, what's easier indoc Shepard and make him doom his own species quickly and easily, or kill him and spend 200+ years gathering up all the organics..... who might even win the the battle out in space?

Don't forget about indoctrinating so subtly that it will have no effect in 5 minutes, especially since much stronger indoctrination had no effect just a moment ago ^^

Just because its more subtle does not mean its weaker- its just more well hidden, and can (and probably does) get stronger.

[Mike Aus]

It's like watching Pulp Fiction. It's intentionally split to not be in chronological order.

[Sire Styx]

By the way, does anyone know of any other plausible theories? I've heard of IT (obviously), hallucination, dream, VR and crappy writing/lazy bioware.

[Mike Aus]

Would have been awesome if the developers left a huge clue int he game. Like the first word of every sentence Shepard says when talking to Anderson spells out "YOU ARE BEING INDOCTRINATED AND YOU DON'T EVEN REALISE IT".

[Thomas Shepard]

IsaacShep wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Yeah, what's easier indoc Shepard and make him doom his own species quickly and easily, or kill him and spend 200+ years gathering up all the organics..... who might even win the the battle out in space?

Don't forget about indoctrinating so subtly that it will have no effect in 5 minutes, especially since much stronger indoctrination had no effect just a moment ago ^^

If you were trying to make sombody with a strong will take a particular course of action via hypnotic means and blunt mental force has failed, would you try it again, or would you trick him into believing that the right choice is the one where you actually win?

[Gilgamesh117]

It seems to me that hardly any newcomers read the first page which usually explains most questions and answers that you may have. There should be a disclaimer at top that says read the first page before you post.

[waldstr18]

@thomas

now you have turned everything around. so, i actually im punishing my own self when i dont let them indoctrinate me, cause then im missing out on all the indoctrinated fun i could have had?

well if you see it that way, you are obviously right. yet i thought the indoctrinated fun i am having during the limping parts and the citadel conversations is the fun im supposed to have and the rest is only lose or snap out of it.

actually i would welcome a real indoctrination attempt, since i really dont want the current ending to be one.

[shepskisaac]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Aha! You see it just depends on what side of the coin your on- I personally find your arguments laughably frail.

My theory is based on heavy in-game evidence. Henry, Miranda and TIM discuss extensively how indoctrination and control works in their notes in Sanctuary. Aftter that, TIM undergoes a surgery and shows up being able to control indoctrinate and control Shep and ANderson. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

llbountyhunter wrote...

Just because its more subtle does not mean its weaker- its just more well hidden, and can (and probably does) get stronger.

With time. Not in 5 minutes Reapers have left to live.

[felipejiraya]

Sire Styx wrote...

By the way, does anyone know of any other plausible theories? I've heard of IT (obviously), hallucination, dream, VR and crappy writing/lazy bioware.

There the intoxication theory that says everything what happens after Shepard drinks the ryncol shot on ME2 is a alcohol induced hallucination.

Ok, serious now. Why the game doesn't save after you "finish" the main story? I was checking my save right now and it gone back to 34 hours but the automatic save from Citadel is at 36. Strange.

[Slaiyer]

Sire Styx wrote...

By the way, does anyone know of any other plausible theories? I've heard of IT (obviously), hallucination, dream, VR and crappy writing/lazy bioware.

I've heard one theory you didn't state : It's art.

Most arguments are sound but greatly overstep boundries and begin insulting people which is why you don't see it brought up. Ever. And those that do are shot down. Fast. For good reason.

[llbountyhunter]

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

It seems to me that hardly any newcomers read the first page which usually explains most questions and answers that you may have. There should be a disclaimer at top that says read the first page before you post.

They probably didn't want to dig through the wall of text. Kinda like they don't want to look for clues in the game...

Anyone see a pattern here?

[Thomas Shepard]

waldstr18 wrote...

@thomas

now you have turned everything around. so, i actually im punishing my own self when i dont let them indoctrinate me, cause then im missing out on all the indoctrinated fun i could have had?

well if you see it that way, you are obviously right. yet i thought the indoctrinated fun i am having during the limping parts and the citadel conversations is the fun im supposed to have and the rest is only lose or snap out of it.

actually i would welcome a real indoctrination attempt, since i really dont want the current ending to be one.

What I meant is that if you strived to explore everything you get a real moral and intellectual choice (what to me ME is all about, apart from the awesome design), and if you just blast your way through the missions you get a default canon ending. The choice that is maybe the biggest climax of the series is basically not there for you.

[Rifneno]

waldstr18 wrote...

thank you, kind sir. i was really worried about not getting my "in your face" moment, with everyone being so nice all of a sudden. but now you have appeared, and now i dont have to feel bad when i capture my victory dance, put in on youtube, and paste it here.

Sorry, my bad.  I would've helped correct that if I was around.  

[waldstr18]

Sire Styx wrote...

By the way, does anyone know of any other plausible theories? I've heard of IT (obviously), hallucination, dream, VR and crappy writing/lazy bioware.

i guess my theory is not completely in there.

its the "out of time" theory. which says: the developers were out of time, which would not only explain the short and similar ending videos but also why there are bugs in my pc version, like me being able to clip myself out of the normandy, walk around it in space, and clip myself back in on the other side.

this can optionaly be supported by the "they didnt think it through completely" theory, which is proven by the ardat-yakshi monastery, the blood pack being all vorcha now and for that matter, my paragon mrs. shepard shooting the blood pack leader without hesitation.

[Gilgamesh117]

I replayed the ending yesterday, and right as shepard reaches the top of the stairs to the control panel before he finds Anderson. It saves. It... Saves!

[llbountyhunter]

IsaacShep wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Aha! You see it just depends on what side of the coin your on- I personally find your arguments laughably frail.

My theory is based on heavy in-game evidence. Henry, Miranda and TIM discuss extensively how indoctrination and control works in their notes in Sanctuary. Aftter that, TIM undergoes a surgery and shows up being able to control indoctrinate and control Shep and ANderson. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

llbountyhunter wrote...

Just because its more subtle does not mean its weaker- its just more well hidden, and can (and probably does) get stronger.

With time. Not in 5 minutes Reapers have left to live.

We have plenty of evidence as well 1000+ worth of it in fact.

And if you believe some parts IDT they say you were actually partially ID for most of game with the child apperations and dreams, its not until the that you get the final push if ID.