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[Rafe34]

Martukis wrote...

I think what was discussed and declared fake was a supposed screenshot of the (star)child with an internal name of "Harbringer," which is indeed fake. I've looked in umodel and found this correct.

Is there any link to anything from the synthesis ending, or the thing you blow up in destroy ending?

This would be huge if it were true- and if destroy ending had the tag End_Choice_GoodA

[lomar1o]

be prepared ! Maya knew reapers gonna come by 2012, we should be building a crucible already! gdamn u never listen to me! Chuck Norris is our catalyst on Earth!

[RussiaTerminator]

Zalyu grief Russian vodka before 6 April

[RussiaTerminator]

lomar1o wrote...

be prepared ! Maya knew reapers gonna come by 2012, we should be building a crucible already! gdamn u never listen to me! Chuck Norris is our catalyst on Earth!

:D:wizard:

[lomar1o]

RussiaTerminator wrote...

Zalyu grief Russian vodka before 6 April

Vodka is a key from being indoctrinated,comrade!

Privet!
Never knows for sure if Illusive man is russian!

Modifié par lomar1o, 30 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[MutsX]

I just read this on a different thread and I dont know if it has already been discussed here (dont want to go through 1034 pages, but I thought it was very interresting:

1490 wrote...

StealthTH wrote...

1490 wrote...

Vega also says there is something "wrong" about the Presidium, saying "it's almost like this place WANTS YOU to forget there is a war." The Citadel indoctrinating people wouldn't be much of a stretch, considering it is Reaper tech (or perhaps an actual Reaper itself if you believe that the Starchild is the "spirit" of the Citadel).

Interesting train of thought

I thought that was actualy some brilliance on Bioware's part, because everyone keeps saying "damnit, how can the Council keep denying the Reapers with so much evidence in front of them?" Well, maybe this is why.

this would then also fit in with the indoctrination theory!
I mean, Shepard spent a lot of time on the citadel, so that could be one factor that added to his indoctrination in the end

[Gernbuster]

leewells wrote...

I'm an indoc fan, and as I was trying to explain something in another post I had to stop and immediately come here to share it...

THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MASS RELAYS EXPLAINED

Ok first of all, remember that the mass relays are reaper tech, and if this is all going on in Shep's head, then what did the series of explosions also look like? Synapses? It is like the brain is purging itself of all reaper tech/knowledge. Look at the final "explosions" again and tell me what you see -- notice it is not the same "circuitry" as on the galaxy map, the explosions aren't linked the way they're linked when doing mass relay jumps.

I submit that this was another atttept to convey a metaphor to the audience (like with the gun being a representation of Shep's resolve), that Shep had purged his mind of reaper indoctrination.

Interesting thought, indeed the final explosions are quit confusing. I was woundering all the time why the Mass Relays need to explode, but this theory sounds quit good to me. thank you

[tenojitsu]

Just wanna say that when I first heard of indoctrination theory I wasnt a fan. After seeing all of the evidence, I am proud to say that now I am on board with IT. Hold the line!

[Lyria]

I've also thought that the pattern of relays looked like synapses.
And it's only the Mass Relays Shepard traveled in. There are more that are inactive according to the codex.

[Lyria]

tenojitsu wrote...

Just wanna say that when I first heard of indoctrination theory I wasnt a fan. After seeing all of the evidence, I am proud to say that now I am on board with IT. Hold the line!

I guess you can say this theory has Assumed Control?!?!

[MutsX]

leewells wrote...

I'm an indoc fan, and as I was trying to explain something in another post I had to stop and immediately come here to share it...

THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MASS RELAYS EXPLAINED

Ok first of all, remember that the mass relays are reaper tech, and if this is all going on in Shep's head, then what did the series of explosions also look like? Synapses? It is like the brain is purging itself of all reaper tech/knowledge. Look at the final "explosions" again and tell me what you see -- notice it is not the same "circuitry" as on the galaxy map, the explosions aren't linked the way they're linked when doing mass relay jumps.

I submit that this was another atttept to convey a metaphor to the audience (like with the gun being a representation of Shep's resolve), that Shep had purged his mind of reaper indoctrination.

Interesting thought and I think another piece of the puzzle!

[Martukis]

Rafe34 wrote...

Martukis wrote...

I think what was discussed and declared fake was a supposed screenshot of the (star)child with an internal name of "Harbringer," which is indeed fake. I've looked in umodel and found this correct.

Is there any link to anything from the synthesis ending, or the thing you blow up in destroy ending?

This would be huge if it were true- and if destroy ending had the tag End_Choice_GoodA

 Not that I can find, it seems the other two are in pieces. There are tubes and handles and a platform that seems to be associated with control, and glass, walkway and bullet impact meshes for destroy. I'm not quite sure what this means. Also, the number seems to be the "stage" of the end, End001 is associated with the london combat/ en route to the conduit, End 002 seems to be everything up until the choice and such, and End003 seems to be the epilogue/scenes afterward.

[Gernbuster]

A DISBELIEVER!!!

DIRECT INTERVENTION IS NECCESSARY!
ASSUMING CONTROL!

[xZasx]

Indoctrination fan reporting in. Hold the line!

[Haargel]

Could be possible. The ending just doesn´t make sense. Your squadies who used to be with you on your last run suddenly appear on another planet. Anderson that got to the Citadel before you.

I don´t know if it´s the indoc theory but something tells me that the design team will pop out and say GOTCHA !

We are talking about Bioware here, the masters of story writing and RPG´s. Something´s not right here.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MutsX wrote...

I just read this on a different thread and I dont know if it has already been discussed here (dont want to go through 1034 pages, but I thought it was very interresting:

1490 wrote...

StealthTH wrote...

1490 wrote...

Vega also says there is something "wrong" about the Presidium, saying "it's almost like this place WANTS YOU to forget there is a war." The Citadel indoctrinating people wouldn't be much of a stretch, considering it is Reaper tech (or perhaps an actual Reaper itself if you believe that the Starchild is the "spirit" of the Citadel).

Interesting train of thought

I thought that was actualy some brilliance on Bioware's part, because everyone keeps saying "damnit, how can the Council keep denying the Reapers with so much evidence in front of them?" Well, maybe this is why.

this would then also fit in with the indoctrination theory!
I mean, Shepard spent a lot of time on the citadel, so that could be one factor that added to his indoctrination in the end

That is a brilliant idea. That would make alot of things so much clearer. The citadel itself performing some kind of indoctrination making everyone there deny that anything is wrong on some leevl. Woudl only add even more to its status as a brilliant trap...and if we imagine that it would not be a stretch for there to be some kind of underlying indcotrination signal that nudged any species who found the Citadel towards making it their seat of power making the trap absolutely complete...

That is until some prothean scientists and a human with a habit of doing the impossible breaks that cycle

[Gerbil Fetus]

Okay.

Im a believer in IT, but as many people are looking for evidence FOR it and it seems Bias to have no evidence against(apart from many troll-like "you are wrong get over it")

The whole thing with the ME1 planet with the beings of light an the volus-i recall a thread prior to ME2's release where someone theorized the Volus had activated his own Prothean Beacon.
Makes sense as a VI is a construct of light, and they do herald warnings about the Reapers cycles.

As of ME3 however it seems it may be evidence of the Catalyst/godchild, as it claims to "protect" organic life from the devil-machines.
IT theorists counter this idea that the mention light being makes no sense. That wile the Volus' light being and the catalyst have simmilar motives, it is counter productive to its goal.
Why would it fight its own creations (Reapers)

The Catalyst/Citadel/Master AI/ possible being of Light-WHAT IF by "We" and "Us" it is not refering to the Reapers and itself as Artificial Intelligence- but as a side, an allegience of forces?

What if the CatalystChild IS an alien being "made of Light" AND the creator of the Reapers and the Cycle, this other Being of light that the Volus had interacted with could simply be the side of the Catalysts species that decided against the formation of the Reapers and the creation of the Cycle?

There is nothing to suggest that the Catalyst and the Light Being the Volus saw are the same individual being.


I know i just said i would attempt a logical counter argument and all but i also just realised it was more of a rant and crazy hypothesis with no evidence.

Want to repeat, i do believe in IT theory, im just looking for ways to see what else there could be.

[Skillz1986]

As i have stated multiple times before...i love indoc theory and i hope they expand upon this idea with the real battle in the upcoming dlc. but being a huge movie fan, i was watching taxi driver the other day and..as far as i remember...the overly happy ending...that seemed to be completely off considering the dark theme of the movie..had a similar fan theory. it's all in bickle's had...a dying man's fantasy. Then i thought abou other movies like observe and report. not ine of my favourites, but...as soon as seth rogen's bipolar character stops taking his medication he 1)beats up a s***load of cops 2)saves the day 3)gets the girl and 4)gets away with murder.

My point is...and i hope it's not true..that maybe...bioware indeed wanted to leave the game as it is, hoping that fans would understand the ending as..hallucinations...dying fantasies etc. and just leave it like that.

[spz123]

The "One more story" and the fact that they shill DLC at the ending however seems to suggest otherwise.

[Skillz1986]

Yeah i know...or lets say i hope..but one more story could be any dlc..you know? "okay let me tell you this one thing shep pulled off on omega" i would love them to continue the story after bein lasered by harb...just stating other possibilities

[Spiderman_2028]

Citadel = Indoctrination device? Mind = blown.

"don't touch the keepers...!"

Very interesting idea. Fact? No. But it's a cool idea. Nice work, I say... To your brain...

[Spiderman_2028]

Random thought- while walking through the tunnel after Scotty beamed me up to the Citadel, the keeper at the invisible panel turned its head and looked at me.

It looked like it was almost raising its 'eyebrows', saying "Dude... This place is @&$?ed up!"

Not suggesting its evidence for/against Indoctrination Theory, or even deliberate on BW's part... Just what I thought when I saw it. Made me chuckle. 

Modifié par Spiderman_2028, 30 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[Gernbuster]

Gerbil Fetus wrote...

Okay.

Im a believer in IT, but as many people are looking for evidence FOR it and it seems Bias to have no evidence against(apart from many troll-like "you are wrong get over it")

The whole thing with the ME1 planet with the beings of light an the volus-i recall a thread prior to ME2's release where someone theorized the Volus had activated his own Prothean Beacon.
Makes sense as a VI is a construct of light, and they do herald warnings about the Reapers cycles.

As of ME3 however it seems it may be evidence of the Catalyst/godchild, as it claims to "protect" organic life from the devil-machines.
IT theorists counter this idea that the mention light being makes no sense. That wile the Volus' light being and the catalyst have simmilar motives, it is counter productive to its goal.
Why would it fight its own creations (Reapers)

The Catalyst/Citadel/Master AI/ possible being of Light-WHAT IF by "We" and "Us" it is not refering to the Reapers and itself as Artificial Intelligence- but as a side, an allegience of forces?

What if the CatalystChild IS an alien being "made of Light" AND the creator of the Reapers and the Cycle, this other Being of light that the Volus had interacted with could simply be the side of the Catalysts species that decided against the formation of the Reapers and the creation of the Cycle?

There is nothing to suggest that the Catalyst and the Light Being the Volus saw are the same individual being.


I know i just said i would attempt a logical counter argument and all but i also just realised it was more of a rant and crazy hypothesis with no evidence.

Want to repeat, i do believe in IT theory, im just looking for ways to see what else there could be.

I discussed it yesterday for hours.
In my oppinion, this is a very strong evidence for IT.
The volus we are talking about is an important char of the first ME book. He is one of the richest people in the galaxie and got contact to Souvereign. He got indoctrinated for sure,(read the book for more information)
If somebody gets indoctrinated he got in the final stage halucinations(as Shep if IT is right)
The volus talked to a ghostly presence which said we will protect you from evil machines.
Shep talks to a ghostly presence (the boy, in case of the volus it might be a ghostly pod of gold, joke)
and the boy tells Shep: The Reaper protect organic, so they do not get killed by machines.
It is nearly the same story, told by the same sort of pressence. Of course every indoctrination differs, because the Reaper first analyses the weak point of the person and then goes for.
Sheps weak point was the poor boy who died infront of him, at least he believes.
And after the Volus got indoctrinated Saren is killing him and kept souvereign, the volus hided.
Remember what was Saren telling you all the time in ME. He things as well, that the Reapers are here to help us, etc

Modifié par Gernbuster, 30 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[Kanon777]

Can someone tell me how to find the Choice_BadA files?

[kidbd15]

Definitely haven't read the entirety of this thread, but perhaps further "support" of indoc. theory is that us forum posters asked or though Shep should be indoc at some point in the series.... perhaps BioWare listened to us then