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[kilgorek]

tobito113 wrote...

Can someone tell me how to find the Choice_BadA files?

I'm skeptical it's real.

[Vahilor]

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

Random thought- while walking through the tunnel after Scotty beamed me up to the Citadel, the keeper at the invisible panel turned its head and looked at me.

It looked like it was almost raising its 'eyebrows', saying "Dude... This place is @&$?ed up!"

Not suggesting its evidence for/against Indoctrination Theory, or even deliberate on BW's part... Just what I thought when I saw it. Made me chuckle. 

I think he only wanted to warn you of the ending like "O no if you go any futher you will get pretty pissed..Why did you get past Marauder Shields ?!"

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Vahilor wrote...

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

Random thought- while walking through the tunnel after Scotty beamed me up to the Citadel, the keeper at the invisible panel turned its head and looked at me.

It looked like it was almost raising its 'eyebrows', saying "Dude... This place is @&$?ed up!"

Not suggesting its evidence for/against Indoctrination Theory, or even deliberate on BW's part... Just what I thought when I saw it. Made me chuckle. 

I think he only wanted to warn you of the ending like "O no if you go any futher you will get pretty pissed..Why did you get past Marauder Shields ?!"

Wouldn't it be kind of awesome if the keeper suddenly started to talk? Like "the **** you looking at??"

[Gerbil Fetus]

@ Gembuster

Ahhh ok, i read the first ME book but didnt click that it was that same Volus guy for some reason. (been a while scince i read the book)
Makes sense if it was Soverigen doing it too-trying to find that perfect intermediary to send out into the galaxy to spring the Citadel trap must have been hard.
Well, until Saren came along.

Saren seemed initially driven by interest in the big honking Ship pf power...then i guess when he realised what it was really, it was self preservation which is where the appeasement comes in.

All he wa really setting himslef up for was being the next cylces iteration of collectors.

[Gernbuster]

Gerbil Fetus wrote...

@ Gembuster

Ahhh ok, i read the first ME book but didnt click that it was that same Volus guy for some reason. (been a while scince i read the book)
Makes sense if it was Soverigen doing it too-trying to find that perfect intermediary to send out into the galaxy to spring the Citadel trap must have been hard.
Well, until Saren came along.

Saren seemed initially driven by interest in the big honking Ship pf power...then i guess when he realised what it was really, it was self preservation which is where the appeasement comes in.

All he wa really setting himslef up for was being the next cylces iteration of collectors.

The volus would have been a very powerful agent as well, he could have hired an army of mercs and invade the citadel,  Souvereign indoctrinated Saren afterwards and hacked to geth to atack the Citadel.

Modifié par Gernbuster, 30 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[Rifneno]

Tsuarn wrote...

didnt we talk about that 400 pages ago? i thought it was a fake

  No, it's legit, for whatever my word is worth.  I was the one who found it originally.

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I think it's one of those "handles" from the Control ending
But to me it always was pretty clear that control was the most retarded choice ever... so yeah makes sense it would be the "bad" one

It is indeed one of the "control" handles.  The original post of it, linked above, shows a comparison.

And yeah, some IT opponents used the logic of "of course it's the bad one, TIM took it".  Which struck me as a cop out of epic proportions since if you don't believe in IT then supposed there is no good ending or bad ending, but I suppose I'm biased.

tobito113 wrote...

Can someone tell me how to find the Choice_BadA files?

Download UE Viwer.  Instructions for usage on the link provided.  In Windows 7 the default directory for ME3's data files is C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Origin Games\\Mass Effect 3\\BIOGame\\CookedPCConsole.  The file to load is  BioA_End002_Space.pcc.  Just keep hitting Page Up or Page Down til you get to the right model.  Tons of crap in the file so might take a minute to find.

kilgorek wrote...

I'm skeptical it's real.

Cool story bro.

On an unrelated note, something just occured to me.  If that volus is indoctrinated and not just crazy, does that mean there is something important buried in Klencory?  Something the Reapers want, obviously.  But if they sent him to dig up that planet there's probably a reason.

[lomar1o]

Reapers are just servants of whoknows? should be something enormous behind them!

[tenojitsu]

protognosis wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Just wanna say that when I first heard of indoctrination theory I wasnt a fan. After seeing all of the evidence, I am proud to say that now I am on board with IT. Hold the line!

I guess you can say this theory has Assumed Control?!?!

Haha, one way of putting it.

[Gerbil Fetus]

Because im crazy....because no one knows what the crucible actually does (and if ID is true, what we see it actually do is figmentary....we still dont know what it does.)

What if its a Time Machine or something? The reapers just get Sent zillions of years backwards.
They are in a constant never ending, repetitive Cycle of their own.

Maybe Soveriegns talk about having no end or beginning is a literal one?

[Stigweird85]

Samuel Beckenbach wrote...

i dont know why all u guys think if its true its the best game design ever but lets get to the main part we will all pay good money to see the game finish but wat does that say to the gaming industry that they can make games with clif hanger like endings and make dlc to finish it making us dish out more money if ME does do this then lets add up the amount of money we payed for this game 10 dollars for day one dlc which is ******** by the way 60 for the game and im guessin 1200 microsoft points for the ending dlc however which is 80 bucks total for a "complete" game cant wait to pay 80 bucks for single games

Again with the "it's not finished Wah!!" argument, must we keep recyling this every 5 pages?

The game had an ending, you were given a mission, you complete the mission and then you get an ending whether you believe IT or not or like the endings or not that is your problem but you were given an ending.
 
Every major game has DLC these days so you could assume before it was launched their would be more to play, this does not make the disk incomplete.

This argument would only really be valid if before you started the attack on Cereberus base it came up "Please enter credit card details to continue" then I would gladly joing you in the it's not finished complaint.

I'm sorry if this comes across as d!ckish but I am so sick of this argument coming around again and again. You don't complain like this in any other form of media so why here?

For example Inception - Finished with a half ending, was it a dream? was it real? You got to decide. Did anyone complain and say the film wasn't finish and demand that Chris Nolan add a scence to show the spinning top falling? No.

In a books: Peter F Hamilton writes sci fi epics, his book Pandora Star ends in a cliff hanger literally and is continued in the next book Judas Unchained which came out a year later. Did anyone complain the story wasn't finished? No

In TV:  No specific examples but every major TV series will end on a dramatic note in order to garner interest in the next season. Do people complain it is unfinished? No.

So I will quite happily play any and all DLC(maybe not MP specific stuff) including simple costome changes, if it costs me anoher $40 then so be it. I will gladly pay as Bioware have provided a brilliant universe to live in. You don't have to pay anything if you don't want too. We don't even know if the DLC will be charged so let's not jump to any conclusions.


/rant

*Edit* I realise the irony of bring this post from several pages back to light but I really am sick of this argument

Modifié par bigstig, 30 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Gerbil Fetus wrote...

Because im crazy....because no one knows what the crucible actually does (and if ID is true, what we see it actually do is figmentary....we still dont know what it does.)

What if its a Time Machine or something? The reapers just get Sent zillions of years backwards.
They are in a constant never ending, repetitive Cycle of their own.

Maybe Soveriegns talk about having no end or beginning is a literal one?

That.. would be pretty cool! Like.. the crucible just restarts the cycle.. you would have saved the current cycle, but not eliminated the threat.. a nice twist and a way to make room for sequels...

it's just so easy to think of a better ending than what we have now!

[Sire Styx]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Gerbil Fetus wrote...

Because im crazy....because no one knows what the crucible actually does (and if ID is true, what we see it actually do is figmentary....we still dont know what it does.)

What if its a Time Machine or something? The reapers just get Sent zillions of years backwards.
They are in a constant never ending, repetitive Cycle of their own.

Maybe Soveriegns talk about having no end or beginning is a literal one?

That.. would be pretty cool! Like.. the crucible just restarts the cycle.. you would have saved the current cycle, but not eliminated the threat.. a nice twist and a way to make room for sequels...

it's just so easy to think of a better ending than what we have now!

It would mean that this cycle has just doomed all the previous cycles to extinction lmao
First Shepard blew up a planet, then (if you believe the original ending is real) doomed the entire galaxy to die on earth, and now he's doomed every single cycle to horrific deaths. Shepard is such a nice guy, lol.

[Martukis]

Sire Styx wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Gerbil Fetus wrote...

Because im crazy....because no one knows what the crucible actually does (and if ID is true, what we see it actually do is figmentary....we still dont know what it does.)

What if its a Time Machine or something? The reapers just get Sent zillions of years backwards.
They are in a constant never ending, repetitive Cycle of their own.

Maybe Soveriegns talk about having no end or beginning is a literal one?

That.. would be pretty cool! Like.. the crucible just restarts the cycle.. you would have saved the current cycle, but not eliminated the threat.. a nice twist and a way to make room for sequels...

it's just so easy to think of a better ending than what we have now!

It would mean that this cycle has just doomed all the previous cycles to extinction lmao
First Shepard blew up a planet, then (if you believe the original ending is real) doomed the entire galaxy to die on earth, and now he's doomed every single cycle to horrific deaths. Shepard is such a nice guy, lol.

 Well, Earth isn't destroyed in every ending, nor is the entire galaxy in the Sol system - but yeah, it pretty much sets the universe into a dark age, with catastrophic casualities and such.

[Gernbuster]

Gerbil Fetus wrote...

Because im crazy....because no one knows what the crucible actually does (and if ID is true, what we see it actually do is figmentary....we still dont know what it does.)

What if its a Time Machine or something? The reapers just get Sent zillions of years backwards.
They are in a constant never ending, repetitive Cycle of their own.

Maybe Soveriegns talk about having no end or beginning is a literal one?

The best idea about the crucible I got so far, is that its simply a Reaper trap. Some sort of super indoctrinator if it would get activated, which would explain why Cerberus is trying, that you are not using it and on the other hand trying to use them for their own, to control the Reaper. I think TIM found it out somehow and thinks he could use it to "indoctrinate" the Reaper.

Could be an interesting twist, if the Alliance is to ignorand to get it and Cerberus are the "good ones" in the end.
If we can't defeat the Reaper, Cerberus way would be the ONLY right answer to survive. Not to use it would cause us to lose and if the Alliance is activating it, the Reaper gonna win nearly instantly, for example the all galaxy fleet gets indoctrinated at once

Modifié par Gernbuster, 30 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

You know I always loved how they were all like "Yo Commander Shepard we found some random plans which look cool, could be a weapon maybe, we don't know **** about it but we'll put our entire resources into building it and then rely on it completely".

[n00bsauce2010]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

You know I always loved how they were all like "Yo Commander Shepard we found some random plans which look cool, could be a weapon maybe, we don't know **** about it but we'll put our entire resources into building it and then rely on it completely".

I find it very hard to believe that the reapers didn't know about this "crucible." The fact that we're told countless civilizations helped build it over time makes it just hard to believe. And the plans for it are stored in some massive prothean artifact that somehow is in perfect condition and untouched by the reapers?

[Leonia]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

You know I always loved how they were all like "Yo Commander Shepard we found some random plans which look cool, could be a weapon maybe, we don't know **** about it but we'll put our entire resources into building it and then rely on it completely".

Desperation.

As lame as it sounds, there was no other option available.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

You know I always loved how they were all like "Yo Commander Shepard we found some random plans which look cool, could be a weapon maybe, we don't know **** about it but we'll put our entire resources into building it and then rely on it completely".

I find it very hard to believe that the reapers didn't know about this "crucible." The fact that we're told countless civilizations helped build it over time makes it just hard to believe. And the plans for it are stored in some massive prothean artifact that somehow is in perfect condition and untouched by the reapers?

AND previously undiscovered. Though you'd imagine the archives would have been searched thoroughly. How are we supposed to imagine that? Did someone go "Hey, what's that old piece of paper on the floor"?

Maybe the plans were planted there on purpose? 

[n00bsauce2010]

Hey I asked this like 5-6 pages back but no one answered. People on this thread were talking about bioware employees being on vacation? can anyone confirm?

If that's true why are they on vacation if they're so worried about pumping out that ending dlc. Makes me think this whole thing was planned and they already have it finished.

[Fraevar]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Hey I asked this like 5-6 pages back but no one answered. People on this thread were talking about bioware employees being on vacation? can anyone confirm?

If that's true why are they on vacation if they're so worried about pumping out that ending dlc. Makes me think this whole thing was planned and they already have it finished.

Vacation time and the like are allocated months in advance. You don't cancel people's vacation time based on reception of a product. If they did that, I'm pretty sure they'd be breaking Canadian labor laws.

[captainbob8383]

Rifneno wrote...

  No, it's legit, for whatever my word is worth.  I was the one who found it originally.

It is indeed one of the "control" handles.  The original post of it, linked above, shows a comparison.

And yeah, some IT opponents used the logic of "of course it's the bad one, TIM took it".  Which struck me as a cop out of epic proportions since if you don't believe in IT then supposed there is no good ending or bad ending, but I suppose I'm biased.


Download UE Viwer.  Instructions for usage on the link provided.  In Windows 7 the default directory for ME3's data files is C:Program Files (x86)Origin GamesMass Effect 3BIOGameCookedPCConsole.  The file to load is  BioA_End002_Space.pcc.  Just keep hitting Page Up or Page Down til you get to the right model.  Tons of crap in the file so might take a minute to find.

Thx for this clarification! I'll try it as soon as I get home.
It's a major hint, I'm surprised the information has not been spread much.

[n00bsauce2010]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

You know I always loved how they were all like "Yo Commander Shepard we found some random plans which look cool, could be a weapon maybe, we don't know **** about it but we'll put our entire resources into building it and then rely on it completely".

I find it very hard to believe that the reapers didn't know about this "crucible." The fact that we're told countless civilizations helped build it over time makes it just hard to believe. And the plans for it are stored in some massive prothean artifact that somehow is in perfect condition and untouched by the reapers?

AND previously undiscovered. Though you'd imagine the archives would have been searched thoroughly. How are we supposed to imagine that? Did someone go "Hey, what's that old piece of paper on the floor"?

Maybe the plans were planted there on purpose? 

That's what I think. It makes sense. The mass relays were planted there on purpose. So the fact that the "crucible" could be some big cluster f*ck for galactiv civilizations makes it likely.

[Gernbuster]

The best idea about the crucible I got so far, is that its simply a Reaper trap. Some sort of super indoctrinator if it would get activated, which would explain why Cerberus is trying, that you are not using it and on the other hand trying to use them for their own, to control the Reaper. I think TIM found it out somehow and thinks he could use it to "indoctrinate" the Reaper.

Could be an interesting twist, if the Alliance is to ignorand to get it and Cerberus are the "good ones" in the end.
If we can't defeat the Reaper, Cerberus way would be the ONLY right answer to survive. Not to use it would cause us to lose and if the Alliance is activating it, the Reaper gonna win nearly instantly, for example the all galaxy fleet gets indoctrinated at once

[Sire Styx]

Lol it does seem a bit odd like, with the crucible plans just appearing when needed. I could imagine a couple reapers laughing their heads off because everyone fell for it.

[n00bsauce2010]

captainbob8383 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

  No, it's legit, for whatever my word is worth.  I was the one who found it originally.

It is indeed one of the "control" handles.  The original post of it, linked above, shows a comparison.

And yeah, some IT opponents used the logic of "of course it's the bad one, TIM took it".  Which struck me as a cop out of epic proportions since if you don't believe in IT then supposed there is no good ending or bad ending, but I suppose I'm biased.


Download UE Viwer.  Instructions for usage on the link provided.  In Windows 7 the default directory for ME3's data files is C:Program Files (x86)Origin GamesMass Effect 3BIOGameCookedPCConsole.  The file to load is  BioA_End002_Space.pcc.  Just keep hitting Page Up or Page Down til you get to the right model.  Tons of crap in the file so might take a minute to find.

Thx for this clarification! I'll try it as soon as I get home.
It's a major hint, I'm surprised the information has not been spread much.

What does this mean? Where exactly is that control "console" because it's certainly not on the citadel.