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[njfluffy19]

Chipikowski wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Mich-cz wrote...

Naseilen wrote...
 I wrote:
That means that, metaphorically, Shepard is The Catalyst.  Not physically.
Not by device activation and pressing the button, but as a man who is trying to unite alien nations.
In that case The Crucible =/= The Device Which is Ultimate Weapon
The Crucible = The melting pot metaphor = Union of  Races

I would not be surprised if Shepard wakes up only to discover that crucible did nothing - that it was merely a tool, a way how to get all races to together.

A message that reapers could be defeated by regullary means. Only with cooperation of all races.
That would be a nice twist.

Except... they can't.  We're told repeatedly that we simply cannot win conventionally.  And it's true, we can't.  There's just a jawdropping amount of those things.  Capital ships number in the thousands easily, likely the tens of thousands.  Destroyers are said to make the great majority of the Reapers' forces so there's what, like, millions of those?  It took the concentrated fire of the Migrant Fleet to bring one down.  Capital ships typically require 3+ dreadnoughts or WMD such as thermonuclear bombs.  Even the united forces of the galaxy doesn't stand a chance against the Reaper fleet.  There's just far too many of them and they're far too powerful.

The whole galaxie united is no conventional situation.
But thats definitly something we can't argue about. Thats completly up the the storywriters.
If they would tell us:"Hey Asari ships are incredible strong against shields and Turians are strong against their armour." It would be possible, who knows what may get revealed in the future.
Remember the German army after beginning of WWII. Everyone was afraid, modern tech, many strong soldiers, new strategy. The allies were completly overtasked and many people rumored that the Germans were undefeatable as well. And look what happend a few years after.
Everyone got his weakpoint.
for example: German Kingtiger tank, or even the normal one were nearly undistructable. Until somebody recognized they were slowly and if burn the backside with flamethrowers or molotovcoktails, the crew inside dies in a few minutes.

Everything is possible in war.

Exactly. Plus there was the strange moment in the battle against Sovereign where it didn't seem to take that much to take him down as soon as his shields dropped. Joker hit his "belly" with the main cannon and he went down. I wondered if they'd introduce this as their weak spot...So basically all the Crucible needed to do was take the shields down so the Fleet could kill the Reapers "with bug bites". No Starchild, no nothing. Why, Bioware...?

Four words! Edit: I derped, Five words.

Modifié par njfluffy19, 30 mars 2012 - 01:46 .

[Raze4573]

PAX getting closer, answers getting closer.
And IT is as strong as ever and we're holding the line. Kirrahe would be proud.
Just want to point out that Aprils Fools is coming in hot, so brace for impact.
Tho I think BW isnt silly enough to make a lame and cruel joke about ME3 in light of how the endings are bashed. But you never know...*Takes cover against My Pony Effect*

[Rifneno]

Gernbuster wrote...

The whole galaxie united is no conventional situation.
But thats definitly something we can't argue about. Thats completly up the the storywriters.
If they would tell us:"Hey Asari ships are incredible strong against shields and Turians are strong against their armour." It would be possible, who knows what may get revealed in the future.
Remember the German army after beginning of WWII. Everyone was afraid, modern tech, many strong soldiers, new strategy. The allies were completly overtasked and many people rumored that the Germans were undefeatable as well. And look what happend a few years after.
Everyone got his weakpoint.
for example: German Kingtiger tank, or even the normal one were nearly undistructable. Until somebody recognized they were slowly and if burn the backside with flamethrowers or molotovcoktails, the crew inside dies in a few minutes.

Everything is possible in war.

The situation is a little bit different. The Germans were vastly outnumbered. In this scenario, the organics are the ones outnumbered. The Germans (and their allies) had good technology but not wholly superior technology. One of the most important inventions of the war, radar, was English. I'm sure I don't need to get into the atomic bomb. Probably the best thing that the Germans had was rocket technology. Which came from... America. An American designed it, but we thought he was an idiot and ignored the plans. Which Germany stole. The Reapers? Over a billion years of tech. Most of the stuff we have that works well is stuff that we stole from the Reapers like mass effect drives and the thanix cannon. So in that scenario, we're the Germans. They lost if I remember right.

People were afraid in WWII because WWII was scary as hell. Not because the enemy was as militarily superior as the Reapers are against ME organic races. Hackkett told us on multiple occasions that this cannot be won conventionally. And no offense, but I think he knows more about war than either of us do.

Chipikowski wrote...

Exactly. Plus there was the strange moment in the battle against Sovereign where it didn't seem to take that much to take him down as soon as his shields dropped. Joker hit his "belly" with the main cannon and he went down. I wondered if they'd introduce this as their weak spot...So basically all the Crucible needed to do was take the shields down so the Fleet could kill the Reapers "with bug bites". No Starchild, no nothing. Why, Bioware...?

That was addressed in the codex. Nazara was using Saren as his avatar and when Saren was destroyed, the feedback overloaded his sensors and he was for lack of a better word, stunned. So his shields weren't working. And kinetic shields are Reapers' best defense by far. I don't know what their hull is made out of but it's nothing unthinkably powerful. The same codex also states that the Reapers have fixed the design flaw that rendered Sovereign helpless.

[DreamTension]

lol


Man, we have some creative people on this forum

[DreamTension]

Raze4573 wrote...

PAX getting closer, answers getting closer.
And IT is as strong as ever and we're holding the line. Kirrahe would be proud.
Just want to point out that Aprils Fools is coming in hot, so brace for impact.
Tho I think BW isnt silly enough to make a lame and cruel joke about ME3 in light of how the endings are bashed. But you never know...*Takes cover against My Pony Effect*

I think you are right.  As more people are pushing back, it seems the arguments get weaker and more evidence is pointing towards it.  Unfortunately, this means my hopes are sky high for this and I really HATE that.  I'm trying to temper them back.

Yeah...April Fools...I remember they sarlac incident....I heard about it after the fact but that caused a little stir.

I think we are all on guard and I'm plannning not to be on the interwebs Sunday just for April Fools jokes.

[njfluffy19]

Rifneno wrote...


That was addressed in the codex. Nazara was using Saren as his avatar and when Saren was destroyed, the feedback overloaded his sensors and he was for lack of a better word, stunned. So his shields weren't working. And kinetic shields are Reapers' best defense by far. I don't know what their hull is made out of but it's nothing unthinkably powerful. The same codex also states that the Reapers have fixed the design flaw that rendered Sovereign helpless.

On a sidenote... Why is Sovereign's actual name "Nazara" but Harbinger has such a vastly different 'name'. I mean, Harbinger and Sovereign seemed to fit together nicely, but Nazara and Harbinger don't... really... I suppose you could argue that Harbinger is not actually named 'Harbinger', rather that is what we call him because he says silly things like "I am the Harbinger of your perfection." Still, I find it weird.

Oh well. There are some things, I suppose, we organics are never meant to understand.

[IronSabbath88]

I was watching gameplay of Earth again last night just to see if I saw anything new.

I didn't, but I gotta say, this just made me even more sure that what we're seeing in the secret Destroy ending is infact Earth. The concrete looks exactly the same.

[Rifneno]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...


That was addressed in the codex. Nazara was using Saren as his avatar and when Saren was destroyed, the feedback overloaded his sensors and he was for lack of a better word, stunned. So his shields weren't working. And kinetic shields are Reapers' best defense by far. I don't know what their hull is made out of but it's nothing unthinkably powerful. The same codex also states that the Reapers have fixed the design flaw that rendered Sovereign helpless.

On a sidenote... Why is Sovereign's actual name "Nazara" but Harbinger has such a vastly different 'name'. I mean, Harbinger and Sovereign seemed to fit together nicely, but Nazara and Harbinger don't... really... I suppose you could argue that Harbinger is not actually named 'Harbinger', rather that is what we call him because he says silly things like "I am the Harbinger of your perfection." Still, I find it weird.

Oh well. There are some things, I suppose, we organics are never meant to understand.

I know, right?  I'm hoping Harbinger isn't his name either.  Perhaps Reapers are like hanar in that they have a name they tell everybody and a "soul" name.  Only hole in that is that Saren is the one who 'named' Sovereign rather than Sovereign itself.  But since Sovereign was indoctrinating him, it could still work.

I'm actually very curious about the name of the Derelict Reaper from ME2.  We'll probably never find out.  But still, I wanna know.  

[pie is so good]

 I see a flaw in this theory that I think someone here could explain to me. 

1. If the destroy ending overcomes indoctrination, why is it the default option when your EMS is too low?

2. If you choose the destroy ending, overcome indoctrination, then thats good and all. But that means Shepard was dreaming all of that and when he returns to the real world his fleet is being obliterated and hammer forces are in retreat supposedly. So wouldn't he fail anyway simply by wasting time in a trance?

3. If it was a dream AND reality (what I'm saying is that all of that was happening and at the same time in his mind he interpreted these events as fighting very real indoctirnation), and you pick destroy ending, then how does Shepard end up in rubble on supposedly earth after the destroy ending is selected with high enough EMS? Didn't he just blow up in the explosion? 

[njfluffy19]

Rifneno wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...


That was addressed in the codex. Nazara was using Saren as his avatar and when Saren was destroyed, the feedback overloaded his sensors and he was for lack of a better word, stunned. So his shields weren't working. And kinetic shields are Reapers' best defense by far. I don't know what their hull is made out of but it's nothing unthinkably powerful. The same codex also states that the Reapers have fixed the design flaw that rendered Sovereign helpless.

On a sidenote... Why is Sovereign's actual name "Nazara" but Harbinger has such a vastly different 'name'. I mean, Harbinger and Sovereign seemed to fit together nicely, but Nazara and Harbinger don't... really... I suppose you could argue that Harbinger is not actually named 'Harbinger', rather that is what we call him because he says silly things like "I am the Harbinger of your perfection." Still, I find it weird.

Oh well. There are some things, I suppose, we organics are never meant to understand.

I know, right?  I'm hoping Harbinger isn't his name either.  Perhaps Reapers are like hanar in that they have a name they tell everybody and a "soul" name.  Only hole in that is that Saren is the one who 'named' Sovereign rather than Sovereign itself.  But since Sovereign was indoctrinating him, it could still work.

I'm actually very curious about the name of the Derelict Reaper from ME2.  We'll probably never find out.  But still, I wanna know.  

What about the the dying Reaper-dude on Rannoch? I was digging our conversation, but he didn't even give me a name. =(

[Gudmoore]

pie is so good wrote...

 I see a flaw in this theory that I think someone here could explain to me. 

1. If the destroy ending overcomes indoctrination, why is it the default option when your EMS is too low?

2. If you choose the destroy ending, overcome indoctrination, then thats good and all. But that means Shepard was dreaming all of that and when he returns to the real world his fleet is being obliterated and hammer forces are in retreat supposedly. So wouldn't he fail anyway simply by wasting time in a trance?

3. If it was a dream AND reality (what I'm saying is that all of that was happening and at the same time in his mind he interpreted these events as fighting very real indoctirnation), and you pick destroy ending, then how does Shepard end up in rubble on supposedly earth after the destroy ending is selected with high enough EMS? Didn't he just blow up in the explosion? 

Take a minute to read, many of your questions have been answered multiple times.

[IronSabbath88]

The fact that the dying Reaper tells you that Harbinger speaks of you should be enough evidence that they don't want Shepard dead. They're obviously impressed by him and want him to join their side.

[DreamTension]

pie is so good wrote...

 I see a flaw in this theory that I think someone here could explain to me. 

1. If the destroy ending overcomes indoctrination, why is it the default option when your EMS is too low?

2. If you choose the destroy ending, overcome indoctrination, then thats good and all. But that means Shepard was dreaming all of that and when he returns to the real world his fleet is being obliterated and hammer forces are in retreat supposedly. So wouldn't he fail anyway simply by wasting time in a trance?

3. If it was a dream AND reality (what I'm saying is that all of that was happening and at the same time in his mind he interpreted these events as fighting very real indoctirnation), and you pick destroy ending, then how does Shepard end up in rubble on supposedly earth after the destroy ending is selected with high enough EMS? Didn't he just blow up in the explosion? 

If your War Assets are high, the ID is the Reapers last ditch effort to get the main opponent on their side.  Killing Shepard doesn't matter, but controlling him would strengthen the Reapers.
The high War Assets means your forces are strong enough to fight back against the Reapers which gives you more time to fight this ID off.

With a low EMS, it means your forces are losing.  And somebody can correct me on this but the only option is control which is your mind accepting this fate of being ID.

#2 & 3 - You are never in the explosion on the Crucible.  You never get on the Crucible.  You are back on Earth before being 'beamed' by Harbinger.  The whole ending sequence is a fight in Shepard's head for control.

[njfluffy19]

pie is so good wrote...

 I see a flaw in this theory that I think someone here could explain to me. 

1. If the destroy ending overcomes indoctrination, why is it the default option when your EMS is too low?

2. If you choose the destroy ending, overcome indoctrination, then thats good and all. But that means Shepard was dreaming all of that and when he returns to the real world his fleet is being obliterated and hammer forces are in retreat supposedly. So wouldn't he fail anyway simply by wasting time in a trance?

3. If it was a dream AND reality (what I'm saying is that all of that was happening and at the same time in his mind he interpreted these events as fighting very real indoctirnation), and you pick destroy ending, then how does Shepard end up in rubble on supposedly earth after the destroy ending is selected with high enough EMS? Didn't he just blow up in the explosion? 

These flaws have been discussed, but I will discuss again 'cause I'm bored.

1. Destroy is the only option if your EMS is too low only if you destroyed the Collector Base. If you kept it, your only choice is Control.

2. Who knows how long Shepard was out. Just because they may have lost one battle doesn't mean they lost the War. Maybe they haven't gotten the Crucible there yet, or maybe they have. We don't know for sure. They stated this wasn't the end of Commander Shepard's story, so obviously there's more to tell one way or another.

3. We never said it is a dream and reality. We're saying he/she gets knocked unconscious by Harbinger's beam and the sequence from the beam up (your dream-like slow motion state) isn't real from there on out. You never got to the Citadel because you're on Earth still. You're impaled on some bar of metal under a pile of rubble. Shepard didn't magically float down from an exploding Citadel. He/she never got up there. The final sequence is more or less Shepard battling in his/her own mind.

[njfluffy19]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

The fact that the dying Reaper tells you that Harbinger speaks of you should be enough evidence that they don't want Shepard dead. They're obviously impressed by him and want him to join their side.

"You resist, but you will fail."

Could be taken two ways.

1. The races are uniting to fight the Reapers.

2. Shepard is resisting indoctrination from Harby!

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

pie is so good wrote...

 I see a flaw in this theory that I think someone here could explain to me. 

1. If the destroy ending overcomes indoctrination, why is it the default option when your EMS is too low?

2. If you choose the destroy ending, overcome indoctrination, then thats good and all. But that means Shepard was dreaming all of that and when he returns to the real world his fleet is being obliterated and hammer forces are in retreat supposedly. So wouldn't he fail anyway simply by wasting time in a trance?

3. If it was a dream AND reality (what I'm saying is that all of that was happening and at the same time in his mind he interpreted these events as fighting very real indoctirnation), and you pick destroy ending, then how does Shepard end up in rubble on supposedly earth after the destroy ending is selected with high enough EMS? Didn't he just blow up in the explosion? 

Okay each of these have been adressed before on the thread, but here is a breakdown:

1: The basic idea in IT rregarding this that Reapers/Harbinger realize that they are allready winning and dont really try to hard to Indoctrinate you as it wont make  a difference. You fleet is allready beeing torn apart and nothing you do will change it. This is best exemplified by the "catalyst" who says "Why are you here?" instead of "Wake up" at low EMS

2: The retreat order for hammer was given after the supposed Indoctrination moment where we transistion into dream so in all likelyhood it never happened. But not that it changes much as in all likelyhood Sheaprd will wake up with harbinger looming over him. How he gets out of that has been debated, but my personal theory is the ships that were sent after Harbinger and the other Reapers heading for Earth interferes and distract Harbinger for a moment.

3: IT does not take into account side happening events, like that its dream and reality, at least not in most cases. The breathing scene where Sheaprd is lying in rubble that looks strongly like concrete from London after the Citadel supposedly blowing up with him aboard is one of the strongest indications of it all beeing a dream we have.

[Stigweird85]

pie is so good wrote...

 I see a flaw in this theory that I think someone here could explain to me. 

1. If the destroy ending overcomes indoctrination, why is it the default option when your EMS is too low?

2. If you choose the destroy ending, overcome indoctrination, then thats good and all. But that means Shepard was dreaming all of that and when he returns to the real world his fleet is being obliterated and hammer forces are in retreat supposedly. So wouldn't he fail anyway simply by wasting time in a trance?

3. If it was a dream AND reality (what I'm saying is that all of that was happening and at the same time in his mind he interpreted these events as fighting very real indoctirnation), and you pick destroy ending, then how does Shepard end up in rubble on supposedly earth after the destroy ending is selected with high enough EMS? Didn't he just blow up in the explosion? 

1. Has been explained several hundred times before. In a nutshell it is viewed as with low EMS, you are no longer worth their time and effort. Hence the Godchild saying Why are you here! Rather than Wake Up, also with low EMS the single option depends on whether or not you save the collector base in ME2

2. The assumption is the whole events were in his head, the fighit is ongoing and some people believe that your crew find you and take you to a hospital(someone recieved a message about visiting Shep after the had completed the game on the iPhone/iPad app

3.I don't understand what you mean? People assume that Shep is still in London(he is surrounded by concrete which seems out of place for the modern metallic citadel) That is one of the arguments for indoctrination as there is no way that Shep without armour could have survived the explosion and reentry to Earths atmosphere

Hope this hels

Just spotted by the time I posted this it had already been answered by around 5 other people. Oh well

Modifié par bigstig, 30 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[pie is so good]

njfluffy19 wrote...

pie is so good wrote...

 I see a flaw in this theory that I think someone here could explain to me. 

1. If the destroy ending overcomes indoctrination, why is it the default option when your EMS is too low?

2. If you choose the destroy ending, overcome indoctrination, then thats good and all. But that means Shepard was dreaming all of that and when he returns to the real world his fleet is being obliterated and hammer forces are in retreat supposedly. So wouldn't he fail anyway simply by wasting time in a trance?

3. If it was a dream AND reality (what I'm saying is that all of that was happening and at the same time in his mind he interpreted these events as fighting very real indoctirnation), and you pick destroy ending, then how does Shepard end up in rubble on supposedly earth after the destroy ending is selected with high enough EMS? Didn't he just blow up in the explosion? 

These flaws have been discussed, but I will discuss again 'cause I'm bored.

1. Destroy is the only option if your EMS is too low only if you destroyed the Collector Base. If you kept it, your only choice is Control.

2. Who knows how long Shepard was out. Just because they may have lost one battle doesn't mean they lost the War. Maybe they haven't gotten the Crucible there yet, or maybe they have. We don't know for sure. They stated this wasn't the end of Commander Shepard's story, so obviously there's more to tell one way or another.

3. We never said it is a dream and reality. We're saying he/she gets knocked unconscious by Harbinger's beam and the sequence from the beam up (your dream-like slow motion state) isn't real from there on out. You never got to the Citadel because you're on Earth still. You're impaled on some bar of metal under a pile of rubble. Shepard didn't magically float down from an exploding Citadel. He/she never got up there. The final sequence is more or less Shepard battling in his/her own mind.

Thanks for number 1. But for two, wasn't that the whole might of the galaxy at bear? Pretty sure their cyclee would be doomed without the Crucible. But I still don't understand any form of closure if he never got on the citadel. That means those events never happened, which basically means the game isn't finished...so....is that what your saying? That the ending didn't happen and in reality the reapers are still kicking ass while Shepard is fighting for control of his mind? I'm not sure what to think about that.

[IronSabbath88]

njfluffy19 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

The fact that the dying Reaper tells you that Harbinger speaks of you should be enough evidence that they don't want Shepard dead. They're obviously impressed by him and want him to join their side.

"You resist, but you will fail."

Could be taken two ways.

1. The races are uniting to fight the Reapers.

2. Shepard is resisting indoctrination from Harby!

The 2nd one is exactly how I take that quote.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

njfluffy19 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

The fact that the dying Reaper tells you that Harbinger speaks of you should be enough evidence that they don't want Shepard dead. They're obviously impressed by him and want him to join their side.

"You resist, but you will fail."

Could be taken two ways.

1. The races are uniting to fight the Reapers.

2. Shepard is resisting indoctrination from Harby!

Not even mentioning the billion lines from Harbinger in ME2 delivered through the Collectors which in many cases are directed at Shepard, like:

“If I must tear you apart, Shepard, I will.”

[njfluffy19]

bigstig wrote...


Just spotted by the time I posted this it had already been answered by around 5 other people. Oh well

We jumped all over that post.

I wanted to address your second point about the datapad app. I got the message from Kaidan before I started the game, so that could just be a bug. Though people have said Ashley doesn't want to speak with you around the time of the trial, but sends you that message about "hanging in there" or w/e.

[pie is so good]

Wow ok everyone thanks for the replies, IMO the IT still isn't entirely solid but it seems the best we've got.

[njfluffy19]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

The fact that the dying Reaper tells you that Harbinger speaks of you should be enough evidence that they don't want Shepard dead. They're obviously impressed by him and want him to join their side.

"You resist, but you will fail."

Could be taken two ways.

1. The races are uniting to fight the Reapers.

2. Shepard is resisting indoctrination from Harby!

Not even mentioning the billion lines from Harbinger in ME2 delivered through the Collectors which in many cases are directed at Shepard, like:

“If I must tear you apart, Shepard, I will.”

I believe he even said to keep Shepard alive if possible. I'll have to look. He obviously wants Shepard as an avatar, like Saren was to Sovereign and the Collector General was to Harby. It just makes sense. TIM says they are obviously intrigued by Shepard, hence why they attack Horizon on the rumor that one of Shepard's former crew is there.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

pie is so good wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

pie is so good wrote...

 I see a flaw in this theory that I think someone here could explain to me. 

1. If the destroy ending overcomes indoctrination, why is it the default option when your EMS is too low?

2. If you choose the destroy ending, overcome indoctrination, then thats good and all. But that means Shepard was dreaming all of that and when he returns to the real world his fleet is being obliterated and hammer forces are in retreat supposedly. So wouldn't he fail anyway simply by wasting time in a trance?

3. If it was a dream AND reality (what I'm saying is that all of that was happening and at the same time in his mind he interpreted these events as fighting very real indoctirnation), and you pick destroy ending, then how does Shepard end up in rubble on supposedly earth after the destroy ending is selected with high enough EMS? Didn't he just blow up in the explosion? 

These flaws have been discussed, but I will discuss again 'cause I'm bored.

1. Destroy is the only option if your EMS is too low only if you destroyed the Collector Base. If you kept it, your only choice is Control.

2. Who knows how long Shepard was out. Just because they may have lost one battle doesn't mean they lost the War. Maybe they haven't gotten the Crucible there yet, or maybe they have. We don't know for sure. They stated this wasn't the end of Commander Shepard's story, so obviously there's more to tell one way or another.

3. We never said it is a dream and reality. We're saying he/she gets knocked unconscious by Harbinger's beam and the sequence from the beam up (your dream-like slow motion state) isn't real from there on out. You never got to the Citadel because you're on Earth still. You're impaled on some bar of metal under a pile of rubble. Shepard didn't magically float down from an exploding Citadel. He/she never got up there. The final sequence is more or less Shepard battling in his/her own mind.

Thanks for number 1. But for two, wasn't that the whole might of the galaxy at bear? Pretty sure their cyclee would be doomed without the Crucible. But I still don't understand any form of closure if he never got on the citadel. That means those events never happened, which basically means the game isn't finished...so....is that what your saying? That the ending didn't happen and in reality the reapers are still kicking ass while Shepard is fighting for control of his mind? I'm not sure what to think about that.

That is basicly what IT is. The theory explains the events of the ending, but only that. The rest of the battle of Earth is still undecided and our hope is that it will be decided in (hopefully free) DLC.

You are not the first one to have reservations about that in here, but if IT was Bioware´s plan all along then there is goodchance whatever the ending might be is allready done.

[macrocarl]

Big Bad wrote...

A thought I just had - Some IT skeptics claim that the end is so weird because Bioware got lazy or just plain ran out of time. However, this really doesn't make sense. It's not as if they actually create the entire game in chronological order. The story would be created first and then they would create the game itself, but they wouldn't do it following the chronological order of the story. So, if they really did just run out of time, why are the effects only seen at the very end? That doesn't add up.

Yeah when folks on BSN don't like something they think it's due to laziness, not enough money, or cook up some sort of plot where BW is evil. Also, those very same people must have forgot that the release date was pushed into 2012 so they could get everything done.

Why would they spend all their time squashing bugs if the ending wasn't 'finished'? I love the IT, I think it fits nicely. But if it's not that, then it's something else. But whatever it is, it's not because BW is lazy or ran out of time.