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[Little Princess Peach]

Bill Casey wrote...

There's a white circular light that shows up multiple times on three different circumstances...






2. While Shepard is plugged into the Geth Consensus

you can make out a shadow on this one maybe its harbringer maybe its one of sheps friends trying to bring him around or maybe its the godchild trying to comunicate

[njfluffy19]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

you can make out a shadow on this one maybe its harbringer maybe its one of sheps friends trying to bring him around or maybe its the godchild trying to comunicate

I want to see a shadow, but I don't.

[malikstarks2]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

malikstarks2 wrote...

Just wanted to put myself on the record as a convert. It all makes way too much sense in light of what is foreshadowed throughout, as well as the events themselves at the end. Nothing against any of those still skeptical, but imo it actually takes more of mental gymnastics to explain the endings as literal than symbolic/dream/indoctrination.

That said, if IT is true then while genius it is also some poor planning ahead by Bioware. I think they were expecting healthy and fun debate instead of this, and regardless of the outcome there will be many with wounded pride (journalists included) that will look to take it out on Bioware.

Very well said and exactly what I was thinking.

BioWare expected us to have fun speculation and did not expect the community and gaming sites in general to be THIS angry. It backfired on them.

That said, welcome aboard.

Thanks

[Little Princess Peach]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

you can make out a shadow on this one maybe its harbringer maybe its one of sheps friends trying to bring him around or maybe its the godchild trying to comunicate

I want to see a shadow, but I don't.

its right in the left side it looks like his arm is reaching out slightly

[Pascal219]

Gernbuster wrote...

Pascal219 wrote...

So I just started replaying Mass Effect (1) and there is something I noticed after the Eden Prime mission. There are Whispers! When Shepard talks to Chakwas about the vision he received from the Prothean beacon, you can clearly hear it in the background!

www.youtube.com/watch

Perhaps it is major strawgrasping, but I found it interesting nonetheless! 

Edit: Inserted the right link and by the way, the whispers get broken up by none other then Anderson!

IF we assume that the whole ME story was already completet before the first game got released. This is REALLY interessting. Don't forget about Souvereigns signal when you walk around on Eden Prime, (clearly try for indoctrination,) Why else should it feel like sombody is cutting in your head?
GJ

True. De civilians there keep mentioned how powerful it was and how it seem to come from 'inside' their heads. There is really a boatload of hints about how indoctrination works in that mission, but I never really paid attention to it until now. 

[Mixon]

Just let it be indoctrination... nothing else will help to it.

[Little Princess Peach]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

you can make out a shadow on this one maybe its harbringer maybe its one of sheps friends trying to bring him around or maybe its the godchild trying to comunicate

I want to see a shadow, but I don't.

Iadded a yellow line around the shadow

http://imageshack.us...67/shadowf.jpg/

[njfluffy19]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

you can make out a shadow on this one maybe its harbringer maybe its one of sheps friends trying to bring him around or maybe its the godchild trying to comunicate

I want to see a shadow, but I don't.

Iadded a yellow line around the shadow

http://imageshack.us...67/shadowf.jpg/

Ohh, I saw that in the Consensus one. Is that the pic you're talking about?

[hwf]

njfluffy19 wrote...

hwf wrote...
In the ME2 Arrival DLC you can play back a log entry by the lab tech that sedated and imprisoned Shepard.
She talks about how she is constantly having nightmares in which a giant ship is crawling through the Citadel and she has to watch as her friends turn to dust.

I was curious about how to interpret this. [...] Or do you think it has to do with Shepard dreaming of burning alive with the kid?

Just that, the kid burning up (into dust) and later on shepard+child burning up (into dust).

The ship the technician mentioned in her private blog I just assume to be a Reaper of sorts - Shepard's nightmare doesn't have one but it does feature the typical Reaper horns.

[Avissel]

hwf wrote...
The ship the technician mentioned in her private blog I just assume to be a Reaper of sorts - Shepard's nightmare doesn't have one but it does feature the typical Reaper horns.

Has anyone brought up the Shepard always wears his armor and carrys his weapons in the dreams? Perhaps indicateing he is in danger? I dunno.

[malikstarks2]

I figure someone already mentioned this, but the whole meeting with Miranda in the Citadel apartments seemed odd to me at the time, where she apologizes to Shepard for advocating for a control chip only to be overruled by the Illusive Man. Basically apologizing for something that didn't happen.

Functionally I now see this as a warning to those who may have thought illusive man was controlling you during events at the end where you shoot Anderson. The only other plausible explanation being that you under Reaper control.

Modifié par malikstarks2, 30 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[Tirian Thorn]

I have come to expect a lot from Bioware over the years. 
Baldur’s Gate, KOTOR I, Dragon Age series and Mass Effect series.   
The plot twist in KOTOR I was so intense that I was stunned for like 5 minutes. But then it all made so much sense. They set it up so well and delivered it perfectly. 
So after I finished Mass Effect 3 and began to digest the ending/s I sat there thinking to myself and out loud “how could they have gotten this so wrong?” 
I just couldn’t believe that Bioware would have allowed such a colossal blunder of an ending to occur. I liked Dragon Age 2 and I don’t see what all the fuss was about on that. (Granted I haven’t read all the complaints, but I enjoyed that game a lot.) 
So when I heard rumblings that there was a theory that the ending was Shepard resisting or accepting indoctrination I leapt at the idea. 
Taken literally, the ending makes so little sense. It’s staggering to me that any self-respecting writer would have left so many obvious plot holes or dared to give us an ending that uses deus ex machina.   Hello Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson using it to finish Dune! 
So sign me up on the IDT bandwagon and I’ll ride that all the way to the citadel.  

[Jaxitty]

It seemed odd to me as well, but only because she's already apologized for it in ME2, why did she feel the need to apologize -again-?

[wathc me tyep]

malikstarks2 wrote...

I figure someone already mentioned this, but the whole meeting with Miranda in the citadel apartments seemed odd to me at the time, where she apologizes to Shepard for advocating for a control chip and being overruled by the Illusive Man. Basically apologizing for something that didn't happen.

Functionally I now see this as a warning to those who may have thought illusive man was controlling you during events at the end where you shoot Anderson. The only other plausible explanation being that you under Reaper control.

Miranda actually tells you about her plan to implant you with a chip in ME2 in the very beginning when yuo meet TIM.

[Bill Casey]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

you can make out a shadow on this one maybe its harbringer maybe its one of sheps friends trying to bring him around or maybe its the godchild trying to comunicate

The shadow is Shepard, who you are controlling...
He fades away during this...

I left a little of him in to show it is from the Geth Virtual Reality level, and not just a repaste of the first picture...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[malikstarks2]

wathc me tyep wrote...

malikstarks2 wrote...

I figure someone already mentioned this, but the whole meeting with Miranda in the citadel apartments seemed odd to me at the time, where she apologizes to Shepard for advocating for a control chip and being overruled by the Illusive Man. Basically apologizing for something that didn't happen.

Functionally I now see this as a warning to those who may have thought illusive man was controlling you during events at the end where you shoot Anderson. The only other plausible explanation being that you under Reaper control.

Miranda actually tells you about her plan to implant you with a chip in ME2 in the very beginning when yuo meet TIM.

Yea I know, which is why it seemed to make so little sense her bringing it up again out of nowhere, even to apologize for it (at least it seemed strange to me). It just seems to me as a reiteration that the illusive man is not the one manipulating you at the end (lest some think otherwise) leading to only one other conclusion.

Modifié par malikstarks2, 30 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[BinaryHelix101]

Jaxitty wrote...

It seemed odd to me as well, but only because she's already apologized for it in ME2, why did she feel the need to apologize -again-?

Maybe for players that haven't played the prequels. I'm not one of those, but still, I think the only reason that scene was included to point out to even new players that there definitely isn't a control chip in Shepard after being rebuilt by Cerberus.

[delldo]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

you can make out a shadow on this one maybe its harbringer maybe its one of sheps friends trying to bring him around or maybe its the godchild trying to comunicate

I want to see a shadow, but I don't.

Copy the middle picture and edit the brightness and contrast and you can see it quite clearly.  It is someone in armor that looks like their back is towards you, but there is no detail of the armor or figure itself.

[FrostByte-GER]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

you can make out a shadow on this one maybe its harbringer maybe its one of sheps friends trying to bring him around or maybe its the godchild trying to comunicate

I want to see a shadow, but I don't.

Iadded a yellow line around the shadow

http://imageshack.us...67/shadowf.jpg/

Well...I thought its not real. But when you "wish" the zoomed picture around, you can clearly see the colordifference in the picture! There is definitely a shadow!

[maxloef]

Looks like legions silouhet to me

[BinaryHelix101]

maxloef wrote...

Looks like legions silouhet to me

Ugh, to you, and everyone else talking about it. It's obviously Shepard. The game is in 3rd person and the shadow of your character from behind still lingers there because the screen hasn't fully become white yet.

[Little Princess Peach]

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

maxloef wrote...

Looks like legions silouhet to me

Ugh, to you, and everyone else talking about it. It's obviously Shepard. The game is in 3rd person and the shadow of your character from behind still lingers there because the screen hasn't fully become white yet.

:pinched:now i feel like an idiot

[Bhatair]

In advance. . . forgive me for not completely reading through a 1000+ page thread so I figure what I have to say has already been said. You know what they say about opinions though.

I do really like this. I'm a sucker for mind benders anyway, and this theory really ties up loose ends and plugs plot holes. It answers every inconsistancy and has a lot of (possibly coincidental) evidence to back it up. The only problem is. . . it's still a bad ending. Arguably this is a worse way to end a trilogy than taking the ending into account without it.

Don't misunderstand me, I apreciate the work the community put into researching this and like I said: I love the crap out of it, it's brilliant. It's just . . not an ending. It's half  an ending. It's a plot twist, a cliffhanger. You can't end a trilogy with:

"But all was not lost, amidst the rubble of the London streets a shining dog tag was seen, inscribed with the N7 designation. A single breath was drawn amongst the corpses. Commander Shepard was alive, it had all been in his/her mind. Indoctrination. The reapers had tried one last gambit but Shepard's will proved too strong."

Uh. . . ok. . . then what happens?

"What? Oh, then the reapers lose apparently. Shepard becomes a legend and stuff."

Wait. . . what? How? What about. . . everything else? If that was all just a dream then what really happened?

I just hope we aren't going to get a: "Oh alright fine, I'll tell you what really happened. . . for $10.00."

Again, this isn't the fault of the people who helped put this together. I just don't get why Bioware would release a game without and ending. . . unless they planned to add it in later.

So . . that's why I both like and dislike this theory. On the one hand it sure does fix what we have and turns a sub-par ending into a brilliant climax. On the other hand it really just makes me even angrier that there isn't any closure to this trilogy yet and if it does come, it will come with a price tag.

Modifié par Bhatair, 30 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[malikstarks2]

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

Jaxitty wrote...

It seemed odd to me as well, but only because she's already apologized for it in ME2, why did she feel the need to apologize -again-?

Maybe for players that haven't played the prequels. I'm not one of those, but still, I think the only reason that scene was included to point out to even new players that there definitely isn't a control chip in Shepard after being rebuilt by Cerberus.

Yea now that I think about it she actually already did apologize a few times in ME2 ("I was wrong about you Shepard" etc.). As far as it being for new players that's what I thought while playing, but if you remove the events at the end from the equation it still makes little sense in context.

Even if new players are aware you were rebuilt by cerberus, why would they jump to the conclusion that you may have a control chip in your brain implanted by cerberus. Especially, given the fact you are fighting Cerberus, and ruining much of their plans throughout most of the game.

Modifié par malikstarks2, 30 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[Sire Styx]

My idea why Miranda mentions the control chip:

so that we know TIM isn't controlling Shepard through a control chip at the end.