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[waldstr18]

@slayer with an i

1. what? there is a youtube video where you only get the red choice.
2. who said anything about good, i said right, as in break indoctrination. so what that acutally means, is, that if you didnt destroy the collector base you are automatically indoctrinated with low ems. if you destroy it, you are automatically not indoctrinated with low ems. ergo, if you played the second game right, you are punishing yourself by playing the third one intensively, cause then you get tempted with wrong choices. does that make sense to you?

[bc525]

I've been very skeptical of Indoctrination Theory, but with more and more thought it fits very well with explaining the Citadel end sequence for my Shepard.

I'm putting my trust in the designers at BioWare, please don't force me to purchase more DLC to truly understand the ending of ME3.

[Crasher027]

 I'm going to go out on a limb here on the ending.

So far it's been concluded that space kid is evil/harbinger incarnate, the biggest link we have to this being the codex entry that links reaper indoctination to ghostly figures/superstitious awe. But, a new peice of evidence has recently been encircling the internet lately revolving around a planet (Can't remember / find the name of it for the life of me right now) where a Volus billionaire has been unearthing ruins. The entries on the planet talk about him trying to find stuff to do with these 'beings of light' who supposedly defend organics from 'machine demons' or something to that extent. 

What if space god child isn't actually Harbinger but one of those beings intercepting on Shepards mind, to offer the way out/test his resolve? The being refers to him having hope; "More then you think". Then presents the three choices, the crucible itself is a test, the being of light wants to see if Shepard is truly prepared to break the cycle. 

I'm pretty bad at presenting these sorts of theories, but it's a thought that came to mind that someone with more finesse with this sort of thing may be more capable of elaborating on. Other then the suggested lore of these things I have no evidence to back this claim, just theorycrafting/seeing if anyone has anything else to add.

[waldstr18]

im putting my trust in the writers at bioware, so they wont say that they have planned your theory all along, which then finally gives me the right to tell you:

you are full of it.

no offense though. it was very nice of you guys to think the whole game through 34 times, but like i said, the only one choice scenario rules out your theory (well, at least for me it does).

[clennon8]

You're talking about the Klencory thing and the "beings of light." That is almost certainly just a reference to the Prothean VIs.

[Slaiyer]

waldstr18 wrote...

@slayer with an i

1. what? there is a youtube video where you only get the red choice.
2. who said anything about good, i said right, as in break indoctrination. so what that acutally means, is, that if you didnt destroy the collector base you are automatically indoctrinated with low ems. if you destroy it, you are automatically not indoctrinated with low ems. ergo, if you played the second game right, you are punishing yourself by playing the third one intensively, cause then you get tempted with wrong choices. does that make sense to you?

I think I get what you mean... But in #1 I establish Low EMs as "right choice" , then randomly say "good" in #2, sorry about that.

I personally believe that if you actually are at the point where you only have 1 choice, there is no such thing as the "right" one, because there is only one. You lose no matter what at this point and shep is indoc'd.

Again, sorry for any inconsistancies or horrible English.

[waldstr18]

Crasher027 wrote...

 I'm going to go out on a limb here on the ending.

So far it's been concluded that space kid is evil/harbinger incarnate, the biggest link we have to this being the codex entry that links reaper indoctination to ghostly figures/superstitious awe. But, a new peice of evidence has recently been encircling the internet lately revolving around a planet (Can't remember / find the name of it for the life of me right now) where a Volus billionaire has been unearthing ruins. The entries on the planet talk about him trying to find stuff to do with these 'beings of light' who supposedly defend organics from 'machine demons' or something to that extent. 

What if space god child isn't actually Harbinger but one of those beings intercepting on Shepards mind, to offer the way out/test his resolve? The being refers to him having hope; "More then you think". Then presents the three choices, the crucible itself is a test, the being of light wants to see if Shepard is truly prepared to break the cycle. 

I'm pretty bad at presenting these sorts of theories, but it's a thought that came to mind that someone with more finesse with this sort of thing may be more capable of elaborating on. Other then the suggested lore of these things I have no evidence to back this claim, just theorycrafting/seeing if anyone has anything else to add.

this is exactly the reason why its poitless to discuss any further. those planet descriptions also rule out your theory, but then you make up stuff like that. you guys might not know common sense but your imagination is incredible.

[savagejuicebox]

waldstr18 wrote...

im putting my trust in the writers at bioware, so they wont say that they have planned your theory all along, which then finally gives me the right to tell you:

you are full of it.

no offense though. it was very nice of you guys to think the whole game through 34 times, but like i said, the only one choice scenario rules out your theory (well, at least for me it does).

You know you really sound like a condecending jerk, why are you here? You never give any real points or arguements.

Basically you are here just to tell people they are wrong, am i right? Learn how to discuss an issue rather than just saying "Nope, you are wrong."







Crap. I fed a troll...

Modifié par savagejuicebox, 31 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[Slaiyer]

waldstr18 wrote...

im putting my trust in the writers at bioware, so they wont say that they have planned your theory all along, which then finally gives me the right to tell you:

you are full of it.

no offense though. it was very nice of you guys to think the whole game through 34 times, but like i said, the only one choice scenario rules out your theory (well, at least for me it does).

But can you reeeaaaally blame (most) of us? I mean, what we're really doing is just trying to make sense of this in a (semi) productive manner as opposed to starting riots. Atleast this way we have hope (that may or may not be brutally crushed and leave us worse off than if we were to just say the endings are crap).

[Mystiq6]

If Shepard was indoctrinated and this video () is true then the ending concept is brilliant, just very poorly executed and terrible. If it isn't true, then the ending is well executed, but still terrible.

The first day after I beat the game, I was split pretty much 50/50. A few days later I was edging towards IT, then flip-flopped day after day. As of right now, all I can say is that I believe in IT more than I don't. There are a ridiculous number of plot holes and I can't believe Bioware would leave more holes open than most people can remember off the top of their head. Just like glowing boy says, we do have hope, more than we know, and ever since I beat the game I want to believe that Shepard isn't dead. If IT is true then there is more choice in the results of the ending you pick than is apparent if you don't believe IT is true.

I'll admit to Bioware that the current ending pushes a theme of sacrifice, but I've said since I beat the game that this just seems to ignore the rest of the themes of the game. If they want to push this theme over all the others for some stupid reason, at least acknowledge the others by letting the player grieve for their actions and then continuing the conclusion with something completely satisfying that acknowledges the other 99% of the series.

Modifié par Mystiq6, 31 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[clennon8]

Dumb trolls are dumb. Ignore them.

[Slaiyer]

waldstr18 wrote...

Crasher027 wrote...

Something I (slaiyer) didn't bother reading, but judging by waldstr18's response, I can guess. Sorry for my ignorance .

this is exactly the reason why its poitless to discuss any further. those planet descriptions also rule out your theory, but then you make up stuff like that. you guys might not know common sense but your imagination is incredible.

According to the books (according to people on the forums) the Volus recorded saying that was indoc'd by Sovy. If true that may even strengthen IDT (or I'm too tired to actually think properly and I'm wrong about that (not the book part, the part about strengthening IDT))

[waldstr18]

actually i said i cant see it and its illogical in my eyes. the part where i am singing and dancing about you being wrong comes after its prooven. (or maybe with an f.. proofen, or proven? one of them, im sure)

oh, and i wouldnt even do that, but since there are people here, believing in the idt religiously, calling the doubter stupid for not seeing the 50 clues and so on, and of course calling me a lord of the rings creature, i think ive earned that right.

[waldstr18]

Slaiyer wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

im putting my trust in the writers at bioware, so they wont say that they have planned your theory all along, which then finally gives me the right to tell you:

you are full of it.

no offense though. it was very nice of you guys to think the whole game through 34 times, but like i said, the only one choice scenario rules out your theory (well, at least for me it does).

But can you reeeaaaally blame (most) of us? I mean, what we're really doing is just trying to make sense of this in a (semi) productive manner as opposed to starting riots. Atleast this way we have hope (that may or may not be brutally crushed and leave us worse off than if we were to just say the endings are crap).

im not blaming you for trying to make sense of it all, just for not seeing that your, even though its pretty well thought out, theory doesnt fit in the end.

just trust in the bioware guys. they were out of time, so they rushed it a bit. they are going to fix it. no need to baptise your children in the name of the indoctrination theory, and no need to be offense to people doubting it.

well, actually thats pretentious asuming they rushed it. maybe they thought its sufficient and we dont need to know more about what happens. lets just say the out of time part is my theory. no offense to anyone.

Modifié par waldstr18, 31 mars 2012 - 05:37 .

[Crasher027]

waldstr18 wrote...

this is exactly the reason why its poitless to discuss any further. those planet descriptions also rule out your theory, but then you make up stuff like that. you guys might not know common sense but your imagination is incredible.

Kinda wondering what's your problem with theory crafting? What's the point of coming into this thread and just shooting down individuals like this? Does it make you feel you're a better person, a bigger man perhaps? You might not get the indoctrination theory, but I don't get why you need to come in here bashing on people for just... Doing what can be done with our time and enjoying the speculation? Was your mother killed by a Jehova's witness or something, so you've vowed revenge on anyone whose opinion differs from yours?

I know I certainly haven't said anything insulting to you, so I ask, what warrants your attitude against me?

[LadyVakarian]

Shameless input of meme


Oh yeah and this:

Modifié par LadyVakarian, 31 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[waldstr18]

Crasher027 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

this is exactly the reason why its poitless to discuss any further. those planet descriptions also rule out your theory, but then you make up stuff like that. you guys might not know common sense but your imagination is incredible.

Kinda wondering what's your problem with theory crafting? What's the point of coming into this thread and just shooting down individuals like this? Does it make you feel you're a better person, a bigger man perhaps? You might not get the indoctrination theory, but I don't get why you need to come in here bashing on people for just... Doing what can be done with our time and enjoying the speculation? Was your mother killed by a Jehova's witness or something, so you've vowed revenge on anyone whose opinion differs from yours?

I know I certainly haven't said anything insulting to you, so I ask, what warrants your attitude against me?

i think you missed my point entirely. i have nothing against you free thinkers, just the ones calling me names for not being as easily convinced as others. if i offended you in any way, im sorry.

[Rifneno]

waldstr18 wrote...

im putting my trust in the writers at bioware, so they wont say that they have planned your theory all along, which then finally gives me the right to tell you:

you are full of it.

no offense though. it was very nice of you guys to think the whole game through 34 times, but like i said, the only one choice scenario rules out your theory (well, at least for me it does).

Obvious troll is obvious.

[waldstr18]

as i have mentioned yesterday i think. ive looked up those trolls. they seem like a fun bunch. why does no one seem to like them?

[Slaiyer]

waldstr18 wrote...

Crasher027 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

hate on haters

hate for hating everbody

Clarifying that (s)he only hates on the people that aggresively push IDT, and is fine with us regular folk

^ Is that a good sum of it?  ^  (I never realised how fun changin quotes was (Disclaimer: have never changed quotes for nefarious purposes or to change facts... which is nefarious))

[savagejuicebox]

waldstr18 wrote...

Slaiyer wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

im putting my trust in the writers at bioware, so they wont say that they have planned your theory all along, which then finally gives me the right to tell you:

you are full of it.

no offense though. it was very nice of you guys to think the whole game through 34 times, but like i said, the only one choice scenario rules out your theory (well, at least for me it does).

But can you reeeaaaally blame (most) of us? I mean, what we're really doing is just trying to make sense of this in a (semi) productive manner as opposed to starting riots. Atleast this way we have hope (that may or may not be brutally crushed and leave us worse off than if we were to just say the endings are crap).

im not blaming you for trying to make sense of it all, just for not seeing that your, even though its pretty well thought out, theory doesnt fit in the end.

How does it not fit?? You keep saying that, do you believe what you are saying? or are you just blabering on hoping if you say it enough, people will start to believe you? Please learn how to argue a point before saying that others are wrong, its very unbecoming.



edit: miss quote!

Modifié par savagejuicebox, 31 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[Slaiyer]

@savagejuicebox - may want to edit your part out of the quote... Makes it hard to understand on first read...

Edit: you beat me to reminding you... NVM:whistle:

Modifié par Slaiyer, 31 mars 2012 - 05:47 .

[waldstr18]

@slaiyer

thank you.

to the rest: people tell me im actually a pretty nice guy, but if you call me a troll im gonna show you what trolling is really all about (after ive done more research of course). in other words. challenge accepted.

[savagejuicebox]

waldstr18 wrote...

@slaiyer

thank you.

to the rest: people tell me im actually a pretty nice guy, but if you call me a troll im gonna show you what trolling is really all about (after ive done more research of course). in other words. challenge accepted.

PLEASEE dooo, get some FACTS and then come back. Nobody here wants to get in a meaningless argument devoid of any sort of proof. Do your research, we will wait...

[Domanese]

Okay anyway someone still needs to answer your question wald. The reason why the destroy option is there from the get go at low EMS is because the Reapers no longer care at this point. In their eyes, they have won already since even if Shepard breaks indoctrination, he just does not have the strength to stop them. At Higher EMS around say over 2500 and up, they start growing concerned and have to commit more effort to their backup plan which is turning Shepard into a tool needed to cause things to go their way for harvesting and all their Reaper goodness so Control opens up. At 5000 and up they really are putting their efforts into trying to get Shepard on their side and thus add a third option and really make it sound like Destroy ending is the worst option at this point since if Shepard picks it now, they have a serious fight on their hands.

Because at this point even if they just offed Shepard the galaxy would still keep fighting on without him committing more and more time and effort. Indoctrinating Shepard will end the battle for the galaxy more cleanly since Shepard is their leader at this point.

Hope this answers your question and whether or not you believe is all good. Been playing the game through to the end without the insight and still came to this conclusion. Either way we find out what the deal is come the 6th of April. And heres hoping that it is some good news regardless of IT being right or wrong.