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[Spartenjak]

waldstr18 wrote...

Slaiyer wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

im putting my trust in the writers at bioware, so they wont say that they have planned your theory all along, which then finally gives me the right to tell you:

you are full of it.

no offense though. it was very nice of you guys to think the whole game through 34 times, but like i said, the only one choice scenario rules out your theory (well, at least for me it does).

But can you reeeaaaally blame (most) of us? I mean, what we're really doing is just trying to make sense of this in a (semi) productive manner as opposed to starting riots. Atleast this way we have hope (that may or may not be brutally crushed and leave us worse off than if we were to just say the endings are crap).

im not blaming you for trying to make sense of it all, just for not seeing that your, even though its pretty well thought out, theory doesnt fit in the end.

just trust in the bioware guys. they were out of time, so they rushed it a bit. they are going to fix it. no need to baptise your children in the name of the indoctrination theory, and no need to be offense to people doubting it.

well, actually thats pretentious asuming they rushed it. maybe they thought its sufficient and we dont need to know more about what happens. lets just say the out of time part is my theory. no offense to anyone.

To me there is just too many things that seem to crystalize when you look at them within the confines of the IT. I certainly don't think that the theory as it stands right now is perfect. I think that the few things we don't fully understand are just simply not able to be explained with the information that we have, and I think that is much more likely than the flaws within the theory making it 100% false. I think, assuming that the IT is atleast partially true, Bioware still has something hidden up their sleeve that will cause everything to make sense.

Modifié par Spartenjak, 31 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[Slaiyer]

Domanese wrote...

Okay anyway someone still needs to answer your question wald. The reason why the destroy option is there from the get go at low EMS is because the Reapers no longer care at this point. In their eyes, they have won already since even if Shepard breaks indoctrination, he just does not have the strength to stop them. At Higher EMS around say over 2500 and up, they start growing concerned and have to commit more effort to their backup plan which is turning Shepard into a tool needed to cause things to go their way for harvesting and all their Reaper goodness so Control opens up. At 5000 and up they really are putting their efforts into trying to get Shepard on their side and thus add a third option and really make it sound like Destroy ending is the worst option at this point since if Shepard picks it now, they have a serious fight on their hands.

Because at this point even if they just offed Shepard the galaxy would still keep fighting on without him committing more and more time and effort. Indoctrinating Shepard will end the battle for the galaxy more cleanly since Shepard is their leader at this point.

Hope this answers your question and whether or not you believe is all good. Been playing the game through to the end without the insight and still came to this conclusion. Either way we find out what the deal is come the 6th of April. And heres hoping that it is some good news regardless of IT being right or wrong.

Obvious and overused (but valid) counter arguement:  Why do the reapers bother at all then at a low EMS?? If they don't care, WHY BOTHER??

Disclaimer: I believe in IDT

[waldstr18]

@juicebox

i said it a few times already. low ems gives you only the right choice? selling an unfinished game. making it way too hard for average players to see through the deception. those are the main things i talked about ... i think.

but everyone of my argument got countered by something, even though i respect the ones who posted them, that i can only file under "full of it". the reasoning comes straight out of your hopeful imagination that the ending cant be real. oh, i even wrote a summarized version of hans christian andersons "the emperors new clothes" just for you guys to see the error of your ways.

wanna know what the answer was? "i have also a story for you: you are wrong. not that interesting but their it is" (paraphrased of course)

oh, and one guy said he rather believe in the new clothes until its proofen wrong than believing the ending was meant this way.

and now to get a little angry: dont you call me a non poing arguer, friend.

[JTP117]

waldstr18 wrote...

im putting my trust in the writers at bioware, so they wont say that they have planned your theory all along, which then finally gives me the right to tell you:

you are full of it.

no offense though. it was very nice of you guys to think the whole game through 34 times, but like i said, the only one choice scenario rules out your theory (well, at least for me it does).

So while we are so lame for examining a work of art over and over (just as it was meant to be by the developers), you are using your time so much better by sitting at a computer waiting for more posts to troll?

Man, I wish we were all as cool as you.

[Slaiyer]

@waldstr18 - Hey now.... I thought my explanation was pretty decent. 10x Better than the current "the reapers don't care" spiel.

[savagejuicebox]

Domanese wrote...

Okay anyway someone still needs to answer your question wald. The reason why the destroy option is there from the get go at low EMS is because the Reapers no longer care at this point. In their eyes, they have won already since even if Shepard breaks indoctrination, he just does not have the strength to stop them. At Higher EMS around say over 2500 and up, they start growing concerned and have to commit more effort to their backup plan which is turning Shepard into a tool needed to cause things to go their way for harvesting and all their Reaper goodness so Control opens up. At 5000 and up they really are putting their efforts into trying to get Shepard on their side and thus add a third option and really make it sound like Destroy ending is the worst option at this point since if Shepard picks it now, they have a serious fight on their hands.

Because at this point even if they just offed Shepard the galaxy would still keep fighting on without him committing more and more time and effort. Indoctrinating Shepard will end the battle for the galaxy more cleanly since Shepard is their leader at this point.

Hope this answers your question and whether or not you believe is all good. Been playing the game through to the end without the insight and still came to this conclusion. Either way we find out what the deal is come the 6th of April. And heres hoping that it is some good news regardless of IT being right or wrong.

I swear i thought we pointed this out to him already...

[Slaiyer]

@JTP117 - Hows that dream sequence thread doing? New info? It was getting pretty interesting last I checked. (While back)

[Aleru]

im curious about the ending.... are your squadmates running with you to reach the beam?

if so... they are dead? (considering the indoctrination theory that everything after the reapers shot was an hallucination).

I ve been thinking about the ending.... a lot. (like a lot of people). and i still cant find a answer to it.

if the indocrination theory is right.... well, if you played well, you see shepards not dead at the end. That means that he didnt defeated the reapers yet?

there are a lot of plot holes... if biowares not going to make a fix in the ending (or a dlc of the ending), at least i want to hear their explanation of the ending. its very frustrating.

[JTP117]

Slaiyer wrote...

@JTP117 - Hows that dream sequence thread doing? New info? It was getting pretty interesting last I checked. (While back)

It's comes and goes in bursts. Somedays we'll find a few things, some days nothing at all. Still holding the line though, thank you for asking

[savagejuicebox]

Slaiyer wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Okay anyway someone still needs to answer your question wald. The reason why the destroy option is there from the get go at low EMS is because the Reapers no longer care at this point. In their eyes, they have won already since even if Shepard breaks indoctrination, he just does not have the strength to stop them. At Higher EMS around say over 2500 and up, they start growing concerned and have to commit more effort to their backup plan which is turning Shepard into a tool needed to cause things to go their way for harvesting and all their Reaper goodness so Control opens up. At 5000 and up they really are putting their efforts into trying to get Shepard on their side and thus add a third option and really make it sound like Destroy ending is the worst option at this point since if Shepard picks it now, they have a serious fight on their hands.

Because at this point even if they just offed Shepard the galaxy would still keep fighting on without him committing more and more time and effort. Indoctrinating Shepard will end the battle for the galaxy more cleanly since Shepard is their leader at this point.

Hope this answers your question and whether or not you believe is all good. Been playing the game through to the end without the insight and still came to this conclusion. Either way we find out what the deal is come the 6th of April. And heres hoping that it is some good news regardless of IT being right or wrong.

Obvious and overused (but valid) counter arguement:  Why do the reapers bother at all then at a low EMS?? If they don't care, WHY BOTHER??

Disclaimer: I believe in IDT

Because honestly, who would play the game to get low enough ems that you wouldnt have at least 2 choices?? Its most likely more game mechanics than anything. If you arent really gonna play the game... then why play the game?? haha:P

[waldstr18]

@jtp117

read what i have posted in between you reading and posting this. (that makes no sense now. i meant the last thing you posted directed at me, of course)

better use of my time. actually i should be sleeping, but somehow i have the need to answer everything that gets thrown at me. and you dont want to be as cool as me, trust me. its quite chilly. no,really. its actually quite cold in here. i should turn up the heating.

Modifié par waldstr18, 31 mars 2012 - 06:08 .

[Iceyonline]

The 'Destroy' ending. That tube looks strangely like the one that was feeding the Human-Reaper in ME2 in the Collector's Base.
Could be just a lazy copy/paste.
Could be symbolic of the Reaper's life line as well.

[waldstr18]

savagejuicebox wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@slaiyer

thank you.

to the rest: people tell me im actually a pretty nice guy, but if you call me a troll im gonna show you what trolling is really all about (after ive done more research of course). in other words. challenge accepted.

PLEASEE dooo, get some FACTS and then come back. Nobody here wants to get in a meaningless argument devoid of any sort of proof. Do your research, we will wait...

i meant research about trolling of course - im quite new at it, you know? the only ones who can give us any facts are the developers. so even though it might be fun searching through the game, seems fairly pointless to me at this point.

[Slaiyer]

waldstr18 wrote...

savagejuicebox wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@slaiyer

thank you.

to the rest: people tell me im actually a pretty nice guy, but if you call me a troll im gonna show you what trolling is really all about (after ive done more research of course). in other words. challenge accepted.

PLEASEE dooo, get some FACTS and then come back. Nobody here wants to get in a meaningless argument devoid of any sort of proof. Do your research, we will wait...

i meant research about trolling of course - im quite new at it, you know? the only ones who can give us any facts are the developers. so even though it might be fun searching through the game, seems fairly pointless to me at this point.

I'm just biding my time until PAX, after that, whatever they announce becomes the new Bible. Unless I don't like what they announce of course.

(/sarcasm)

[JTP117]

waldstr18 wrote...

@jtp117

read what i have posted in between you reading and posting this. (that makes no sense now. i meant the last thing you posted directed at me, of course)

better use of my time. actually i should be sleeping, but somehow i have the need to answer everything that gets thrown at me. and you dont want to be as cool as me, trust me. its quite chilly. no,really. its actually quite cold in here. i should turn up the heating.

I heard it was a cold day in hell. Hopefully that burn will warm you up.

Everyone, please don't feed the trolls

[waldstr18]

im really afraid im doing my troll research for nothing, cause if they say you were right, i of course accept your truth and am ready to be riddiculed for not believing in your awesome detecting skills.

the more i think about it, the more unlikely it sounds to me. but i have seen the batman movie, and im also a man of my word. so, if it turns out you were right, ill be here, reading your "ha ha" posts.

[savagejuicebox]

waldstr18 wrote...

savagejuicebox wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@slaiyer

thank you.

to the rest: people tell me im actually a pretty nice guy, but if you call me a troll im gonna show you what trolling is really all about (after ive done more research of course). in other words. challenge accepted.

PLEASEE dooo, get some FACTS and then come back. Nobody here wants to get in a meaningless argument devoid of any sort of proof. Do your research, we will wait...

i meant research about trolling of course - im quite new at it, you know? the only ones who can give us any facts are the developers. so even though it might be fun searching through the game, seems fairly pointless to me at this point.

OHH well since you meant it that way, you have no need for research, you are a natural!

[waldstr18]

JTP117 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@jtp117

read what i have posted in between you reading and posting this. (that makes no sense now. i meant the last thing you posted directed at me, of course)

better use of my time. actually i should be sleeping, but somehow i have the need to answer everything that gets thrown at me. and you dont want to be as cool as me, trust me. its quite chilly. no,really. its actually quite cold in here. i should turn up the heating.

I heard it was a cold day in hell. Hopefully that burn will warm you up.

Everyone, please don't feed the trolls

cold day in hell? i dont get it. also if you mean what i think you mean with "burn" well. thats nothing actually. im sorry, i can imagine you are quite proud of yourself for coming up with that, but actually you didnt, cause even though im not a native english speaker, i have heard that phrase 100 times at the least.

but ok. from my tutoring experiences i have learned, sometimes there just isnt more capabilty available. with that being that: well done! im proud of you.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Anyone else trying Really hard not to respond/argue to waldstr? Alright here we go, I'm  just gonna get this out of the way and try to stay civil.

waldstr18 wrote...

@juicebox

i said it a few times already. low ems gives you only the right choice? selling an unfinished game. making it way too hard for average players to see through the deception. those are the main things i talked about ... i think.

but everyone of my argument got countered by something, even though i respect the ones who posted them, that i can only file under "full of it". the reasoning comes straight out of your hopeful imagination that the ending cant be real. oh, i even wrote a summarized version of hans christian andersons "the emperors new clothes" just for you guys to see the error of your ways.

wanna know what the answer was? "i have also a story for you: you are wrong. not that interesting but their it is" (paraphrased of course)

oh, and one guy said he rather believe in the new clothes until its proofen wrong than believing the ending was meant this way.

and now to get a little angry: dont you call me a non poing arguer, friend.

The Low EMS "destroy" ending is not the same as the High EMS "destroy" ending, with low EMS the red ending sends a wave of devastation across Earth destroying buildings and disintegrating soldiers and deactivating Reapers. Since that's happening on Earth we can only assume the rest of the galaxy gets hit much the same way since the wave is sent through the Mass Relays. The Normandy still blows up and crashe lands on the jungle planet, but we see no one step out, the airlock door pushes out but doesn't swing open then credits roll, we're left to assume at least 1 crew member survived to open that door and that's that.

High EMS "destroy" ending; the red wave sent out deactivates/kills Reapers but leaves buildings and soldiers intact on the ground, they can be seen celebrating for a few seconds. The Normandy still gets hit by the wave, and apparently crash lands on the jungle planet, Joker and your Love Interest step out + 1 squadmate (or me it's always Javik stepping out). Shepard's infamous "Breath" scene plays, credits roll.

The Low EMS "destroy" ending, or default ending if you want to use that term, can be seen as Shepard losing his/her fight with indoctrination, or just losing in general; the war ends in destruction of not only the Reapers but a majority of organics. While the High EMS "destroy" ending can be viewed more as a victory ending; the Reapers are dead, organics survive, the Normandy crew survives, Shepard either somehow survives the explosion (next to impossible) or wakes up from either hallucinating or indoctrination induced hallucination and takes a gasp of air.

Please keep in mind this is still a Theory until someone from Bioware throws us something, all we can do is speculate and A Lot of what we do here in this thread is speculating. Sometimes it's grasping/reaching, sometimes it's convincing, but the one piece of solid evidence we have that something is amiss, whether it's Indoctrination or something else, is that Shepard "survives" with the High EMS "destroy" ending and ONLY that ending option. While, yes, with the Control and Synthesis endings Shepard is disintegrated/absorbed into the Citadel or Curcible energy and therefore has nothing left to survive with. But at the same time how is there enough of Shepard left to take a breath after being that close to the "destroy" ending's explosion? And after the destruction of the Citadel? After the re-entry into Earths atmosphere?

We Theorize, we speculate, we debate because there are things to theorize speculate and debate about when it comes to the endings but Please, everyone, try to keep things civil and from outright arguing beyond the points. We're all in the same boat together as it is.

[savagejuicebox]

waldstr18 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@jtp117

read what i have posted in between you reading and posting this. (that makes no sense now. i meant the last thing you posted directed at me, of course)

better use of my time. actually i should be sleeping, but somehow i have the need to answer everything that gets thrown at me. and you dont want to be as cool as me, trust me. its quite chilly. no,really. its actually quite cold in here. i should turn up the heating.

I heard it was a cold day in hell. Hopefully that burn will warm you up.

Everyone, please don't feed the trolls

cold day in hell? i dont get it. also if you mean what i think you mean with "burn" well. thats nothing actually. im sorry, i can imagine you are quite proud of yourself for coming up with that, but actually you didnt, cause even though im not a native english speaker, i have heard that phrase 100 times at the least.

but ok. from my tutoring experiences i have learned, sometimes there just isnt more capabilty available. with that being that: well done! im proud of you.

I have to say; for a novice troll you have the uber condecending tone down to a "T"... <_<

[Rifneno]

waldstr18 wrote...

cold day in hell? i dont get it. also if you mean what i think you mean with "burn" well. thats nothing actually. im sorry, i can imagine you are quite proud of yourself for coming up with that, but actually you didnt, cause even though im not a native english speaker, i have heard that phrase 100 times at the least.

but ok. from my tutoring experiences i have learned, sometimes there just isnt more capabilty available. with that being that: well done! im proud of you.

Not being a native speaker, you're probably not accustom to some English slang.  "Burn" is just slang for an insult.  Actually usually an "all in good fun between friends" type of insult.
And I hate to ask but, what the hell does a Batman movie have to do with anything?  

[savagejuicebox]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Anyone else trying Really hard not to respond/argue to waldstr? Alright here we go, I'm  just gonna get this out of the way and try to stay civil.

waldstr18 wrote...

@juicebox

i said it a few times already. low ems gives you only the right choice? selling an unfinished game. making it way too hard for average players to see through the deception. those are the main things i talked about ... i think.

but everyone of my argument got countered by something, even though i respect the ones who posted them, that i can only file under "full of it". the reasoning comes straight out of your hopeful imagination that the ending cant be real. oh, i even wrote a summarized version of hans christian andersons "the emperors new clothes" just for you guys to see the error of your ways.

wanna know what the answer was? "i have also a story for you: you are wrong. not that interesting but their it is" (paraphrased of course)

oh, and one guy said he rather believe in the new clothes until its proofen wrong than believing the ending was meant this way.

and now to get a little angry: dont you call me a non poing arguer, friend.

The Low EMS "destroy" ending is not the same as the High EMS "destroy" ending, with low EMS the red ending sends a wave of devastation across Earth destroying buildings and disintegrating soldiers and deactivating Reapers. Since that's happening on Earth we can only assume the rest of the galaxy gets hit much the same way since the wave is sent through the Mass Relays. The Normandy still blows up and crashe lands on the jungle planet, but we see no one step out, the airlock door pushes out but doesn't swing open then credits roll, we're left to assume at least 1 crew member survived to open that door and that's that.

High EMS "destroy" ending; the red wave sent out deactivates/kills Reapers but leaves buildings and soldiers intact on the ground, they can be seen celebrating for a few seconds. The Normandy still gets hit by the wave, and apparently crash lands on the jungle planet, Joker and your Love Interest step out + 1 squadmate (or me it's always Javik stepping out). Shepard's infamous "Breath" scene plays, credits roll.

The Low EMS "destroy" ending, or default ending if you want to use that term, can be seen as Shepard losing his/her fight with indoctrination, or just losing in general; the war ends in destruction of not only the Reapers but a majority of organics. While the High EMS "destroy" ending can be viewed more as a victory ending; the Reapers are dead, organics survive, the Normandy crew survives, Shepard either somehow survives the explosion (next to impossible) or wakes up from either hallucinating or indoctrination induced hallucination and takes a gasp of air.

Please keep in mind this is still a Theory until someone from Bioware throws us something, all we can do is speculate and A Lot of what we do here in this thread is speculating. Sometimes it's grasping/reaching, sometimes it's convincing, but the one piece of solid evidence we have that something is amiss, whether it's Indoctrination or something else, is that Shepard "survives" with the High EMS "destroy" ending and ONLY that ending option. While, yes, with the Control and Synthesis endings Shepard is disintegrated/absorbed into the Citadel or Curcible energy and therefore has nothing left to survive with. But at the same time how is there enough of Shepard left to take a breath after being that close to the "destroy" ending's explosion? And after the destruction of the Citadel? After the re-entry into Earths atmosphere?

We Theorize, we speculate, we debate because there are things to theorize speculate and debate about when it comes to the endings but Please, everyone, try to keep things civil and from outright arguing beyond the points. We're all in the same boat together as it is.

Wow, i like you. I feel like if IT is true then when you have low ems its shepards doubt in him/herself that is showing everything being destroyed. Thinking and knowing s/he could have done more or not knowing if what s/he did was enough. Thoughts?

[waldstr18]

@rifneno

in dark knight jokers says "im a man of my word". you might have noticed if you seen the movie.

i know what burn means, i just didnt know about the "in good fun" part, cause it honestly doesnt feel that way anymore. but i guess its not my kinda crowd at the moment.

@gunslinger

if its all indoctrination none of the end videos really happen.
also from what i understand, you have to play through the game twice to get the breath ending. which also makes no sense to me, cause that would mean you have to play through a 30 hour game twice to actually finish it, otherwise you are left with a, well, not so good unfinished ending.

crap. i mean the indoc theory makes no sense in that case, cause then the game wouldnt actually be over after one play through, which it would be, if it was no indoctrination.

Modifié par waldstr18, 31 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[savagejuicebox]

waldstr18 wrote...

@rifneno

in dark knight jokers says "im a man of my word". you might have noticed if you seen the movie.

i know what burn means, i just didnt know about the "in good fun" part, cause it honestly doesnt feel that way anymore. but i guess its not my kinda crowd at the moment.

@gunslinger

if its all indoctrination none of the end videos really happen.
also from what i understand, you have to play through the game twice to get the breath ending. which also makes no sense to me, cause that would mean you have to play through a 30 hour game twice to actually finish it, otherwise you are left with a, well, not so good unfinished ending.

crap. i mean the indoc theory makes no sense in that case, cause then the game wouldnt actually be over after one play through, which it would be, if it was no indoctrination.

Sooooo you have only played ME3? Because if you transfer a save(like it is intended) then you can get the breath ending on the first try...

[Spartenjak]

waldstr18 wrote...

@gunslinger

if its all indoctrination none of the end videos really happen.
also from what i understand, you have to play through the game twice to get the breath ending. which also makes no sense to me, cause that would mean you have to play through a 30 hour game twice to actually finish it, otherwise you are left with a, well, not so good unfinished ending.

crap. i mean the indoc theory makes no sense in that case, cause then the game wouldnt actually be over after one play through, which it would be, if it was no indoctrination.

 I think you have to either complete the game twice or upload a ME2 save.