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[Martukis]

waldstr18 wrote...

Martukis wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Martukis wrote...

Destroy != mass genocide, especially if IDT holds true.

No it doesn't.

 != is a combination for "does not equal," as I was responding to someone a page back that claimed the destroy/red choice meant mass genocide. I was pointing out that destroy does NOT, in fact, mean mass genocide, and that the IDT suggests it doesn't even mean destruction of the reapers.

you really think more than a few people here have any coding or higher math skills?

refering to your "!=" of course.

Or some understanding of logical notation, but I suppose it was a bit of a stretch. That said, my primary mistake would likely have been not quoting the poster a page back. Anyway, good to see others agree with me, regardless of the initial confusion.

[Quahtli]

waldstr18 wrote...
you really think more than a few people here have any coding or higher math skills?

refering to your "!=" of course.

This is actually a very common way to write 'does not equal', especially on nearly every forum on the internet.

Modifié par Quahtli, 31 mars 2012 - 01:16 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I just rewatched the Tuchanka dream scene with music off and I swear, after standing close to the child for a while I heard Harbinger say "you can't go on". o.O

at ca. 7:45 and a lot clearer again at 8:00!

Modifié par Earthborn_Shepard, 31 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[ky0dar]

Quahtli wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...
you really think more than a few people here have any coding or higher math skills?

refering to your "!=" of course.

This is actually a very common way to write 'does not equal', especially on nearly every forum on the internet.

I  use =/= First I've heard of this other one.

[waldstr18]

Quahtli wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...
you really think more than a few people here have any coding or higher math skills?

refering to your "!=" of course.

This is actually a very common way to write 'does not equal', especially on nearly every forum on the internet.

oh, then im totally sorry. im quite new to this forum stuff, so i honestly didnt know.

[Quahtli]

How are all of you so blind? The indoctrination theory is completely off.
You see, what really happened is the following:

The Intoxication Theory

Shepard was drunk.
Look at the evidence: whenever possible, Shepard goes to the citadel and starts drinking. But he does not even have to go to the citadel, he will make "yearly traditions" with his doctor (of all people ! ) to drink more alcohol. Also, he actually added a bar after leaving Cerberus, where he keeps hundreds of emergency induction ports.

The evidence is all there.

[schneeland]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just rewatched the Tuchanka dream scene with music off and I swear, after standing close to the child for a while I heard Harbinger say "you can't go on". o.O

at ca. 7:45 and a lot clearer again at 8:00!

Hmm ... I am afraid I don't hear it. Sure, there's the reaper-like mumbling in the background, but I fail to hear "you can't go on" even with headphones on high volume.

[Martukis]

ky0dar wrote...

Quahtli wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...
you really think more than a few people here have any coding or higher math skills?

refering to your "!=" of course.

This is actually a very common way to write 'does not equal', especially on nearly every forum on the internet.

I  use =/= First I've heard of this other one.

 Yeah, I should've just used italics. Far more recognizable, universally. != comes from logical notation, to my knowledge, and extends - as said previously - into mathematics and programming. =/= more closesly resembles the dash-through-equals, which is a bit more intuitive. != takes after the logical !A, to the logical negation of A, also "not A." Thus, A != B means "A does not equal B."

[MasterDracoStoc]

waldstr18 wrote...

Quahtli wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...
you really think more than a few people here have any coding or higher math skills?

refering to your "!=" of course.

This is actually a very common way to write 'does not equal', especially on nearly every forum on the internet.

oh, then im totally sorry. im quite new to this forum stuff, so i honestly didnt know.

Not everyone has programed in Java.

[Spiderman_2028]

ky0dar wrote:

I must second this. It IS only a theory. It's a theory I support and one I believe works, and am more than willing to believe is real. But until we get a thing saying "Harbinger was attempting a rapid indoctrination" or the like then all we have is a theory. There's no "obvious clues" or the like, there's just stuff that you've all seen (and i've read about) that lead up to a workable hypothesis.

Workable Hypothesis is the best description of IT I've read. It isn't fact, it isnt definitive, and it isn't bullet-proof. When viewing the ME experience through an IT prism, a lot of things make more sense than they made otherwise, at least for me. I've really enjoyed the speculation and analysis of the games.

Is IT infallible? No. I think though you could apply the Mythbusters rating scale - it certainly isn't confirmed, but I think it's plausiible.

Id much rather Bioware unveil something akin to IT, than taking the stage at PAX and just discussing :wizard:

[llbountyhunter]

Quahtli wrote...

How are all of you so blind? The indoctrination theory is completely off.
You see, what really happened is the following:

The Intoxication Theory

Shepard was drunk.
Look at the evidence: whenever possible, Shepard goes to the citadel and starts drinking. But he does not even have to go to the citadel, he will make "yearly traditions" with his doctor (of all people ! ) to drink more alcohol. Also, he actually added a bar after leaving Cerberus, where he keeps hundreds of emergency induction ports.

The evidence is all there.

Finally someone tries to disprove this thread with REAL evidence. I'm sold.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

legaldinho wrote...

Meawhile, in another thread, we've had a very difficult discussion about the dreams, the second (after tuchanka) in particular.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10654432/1

This has led to a very fine youtube vid by one of the posters, which is here:



Worth viewing in its entirety, but from 7.50 onwards, in the final approach to the kid, you can see just how harbinger/ some reaper filter is applied in the amplified whispering sounds.

Creepy for sure, and evidence to support that the dreams are to do with indoctrination, maybe.

Holy crap that video got creepy sounding at the end but yeah you can really hear it all now that is awesome!

[llbountyhunter]

Martukis wrote...

ky0dar wrote...

Quahtli wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...
you really think more than a few people here have any coding or higher math skills?

refering to your "!=" of course.

This is actually a very common way to write 'does not equal', especially on nearly every forum on the internet.

I  use =/= First I've heard of this other one.

 Yeah, I should've just used italics. Far more recognizable, universally. != comes from logical notation, to my knowledge, and extends - as said previously - into mathematics and programming. =/= more closesly resembles the dash-through-equals, which is a bit more intuitive. != takes after the logical !A, to the logical negation of A, also "not A." Thus, A != B means "A does not equal B."

Maybe its more of a coding term because I've taken calculus and haven't seen it either....

[esalor]

Quahtli wrote...

How are all of you so blind? The indoctrination theory is completely off.
You see, what really happened is the following:

The Intoxication Theory

Shepard was drunk.
Look at the evidence: whenever possible, Shepard goes to the citadel and starts drinking. But he does not even have to go to the citadel, he will make "yearly traditions" with his doctor (of all people ! ) to drink more alcohol. Also, he actually added a bar after leaving Cerberus, where he keeps hundreds of emergency induction ports.

The evidence is all there.

Also, he pulls out the most tear-jerking, motivating speeches at the most critical instances and has intimate relations with every woman he can get away with while being haunted by images of children and childhood innocence.

There can be no other explanation:
I think Shepard is Don Draper of space.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Quahtli wrote...

How are all of you so blind? The indoctrination theory is completely off.
You see, what really happened is the following:

The Intoxication Theory

Shepard was drunk.
Look at the evidence: whenever possible, Shepard goes to the citadel and starts drinking. But he does not even have to go to the citadel, he will make "yearly traditions" with his doctor (of all people ! ) to drink more alcohol. Also, he actually added a bar after leaving Cerberus, where he keeps hundreds of emergency induction ports.

The evidence is all there.

Finally someone tries to disprove this thread with REAL evidence. I'm sold.

It all makes sense now!!!

[Derp88]

Crasher027 wrote...

 I'm going to go out on a limb here on the ending.

So far it's been concluded that space kid is evil/harbinger incarnate, the biggest link we have to this being the codex entry that links reaper indoctination to ghostly figures/superstitious awe. But, a new peice of evidence has recently been encircling the internet lately revolving around a planet (Can't remember / find the name of it for the life of me right now) where a Volus billionaire has been unearthing ruins. The entries on the planet talk about him trying to find stuff to do with these 'beings of light' who supposedly defend organics from 'machine demons' or something to that extent. 

What if space god child isn't actually Harbinger but one of those beings intercepting on Shepards mind, to offer the way out/test his resolve? The being refers to him having hope; "More then you think". Then presents the three choices, the crucible itself is a test, the being of light wants to see if Shepard is truly prepared to break the cycle. 

I'm pretty bad at presenting these sorts of theories, but it's a thought that came to mind that someone with more finesse with this sort of thing may be more capable of elaborating on. Other then the suggested lore of these things I have no evidence to back this claim, just theorycrafting/seeing if anyone has anything else to add.

Hmm interesting. Would be similar to the Sacred Ashes in Dragon Age Origins. You have to pass the Gauntlet (?) or something to prove that you are worthy to see the Ashes.

[Aleru]

So... what if the ending we have is the real ending?
I mean... after harbingers shot, we see shepard waking up, going to the beacon and reaching the citadel. There, he must confront anderson and TIM ... both of them believes either you control the reapers or you destoy them.
Then you are carried again by a second beam that lift you to where crappy child is. Thenyou must decide what to do (reapers are afraid of you being able to destroy them.... so they prefer to be left alive under your control... or synthesis. Of course a good shepard will choose to end the cycle once and for all, thats what the 3 games are about.
You choose that, you see everything burning, reapers got killed and the crash of the normandy. Then magically you see your shepard waking up in the middle of some rubbles...
And here is when the good thing starts.
You wake up from the indoctrination attempt.... and you make the limping run to the beam to reach the citadel. And push the big red buttom of destruction. You sent the reapers to hell... the relays are destroyed.... and a lot of years later, the new arising civilization (or perhaps some human colony survivors? hey looked pretty human to me) talk about shepard and his deeds thanks to Liara's time whatever. They now can live without fear of the reapers.... and dreaming, that one day they will travel across the galaxy again.

Each civilization that wasnt in earths final battle, will recover again in time. but they wont be able to travel the stars as once they did.... until the can develop their technology at higher levels. Perhaps that will take a lot of time... but if there was a culture in the past that were able to make the mass relay (Reapers must have been organics once, even the protheans made a mini mass relay once), they can do it.

It provides not comfort at all this way of thinking... that this final is what they intended and that every speculation we made is just our mind trying to deny the truth.

[nyrocron]

Derp88 wrote...

Crasher027 wrote...

 I'm going to go out on a limb here on the ending.

So far it's been concluded that space kid is evil/harbinger incarnate, the biggest link we have to this being the codex entry that links reaper indoctination to ghostly figures/superstitious awe. But, a new peice of evidence has recently been encircling the internet lately revolving around a planet (Can't remember / find the name of it for the life of me right now) where a Volus billionaire has been unearthing ruins. The entries on the planet talk about him trying to find stuff to do with these 'beings of light' who supposedly defend organics from 'machine demons' or something to that extent. 

What if space god child isn't actually Harbinger but one of those beings intercepting on Shepards mind, to offer the way out/test his resolve? The being refers to him having hope; "More then you think". Then presents the three choices, the crucible itself is a test, the being of light wants to see if Shepard is truly prepared to break the cycle. 

I'm pretty bad at presenting these sorts of theories, but it's a thought that came to mind that someone with more finesse with this sort of thing may be more capable of elaborating on. Other then the suggested lore of these things I have no evidence to back this claim, just theorycrafting/seeing if anyone has anything else to add.

Hmm interesting. Would be similar to the Sacred Ashes in Dragon Age Origins. You have to pass the Gauntlet (?) or something to prove that you are worthy to see the Ashes.

 one problem i have with this is that itintroduces even more spacemagic

[Stigweird85]

I'm currently replaying the game and have just started the attack on Earth and noticed something, not really proof of anything but it's interesting(or at least I find it interesting.

In the final space battle, all of the reapers weapons and attacks are red, meanwhile all the alliance attacks are blue.

[Stigweird85]

Okay this may be a glitch but....

I have just arrived on Earth, I paused the game to write that last message, but now I am hearing the "dream" dialogue and whispers. This is while there is a gun fight going on.

I'm sure it is a glitch but has this happened to anyone else?

[ky0dar]

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

ky0dar wrote:

I must second this. It IS only a theory. It's a theory I support and one I believe works, and am more than willing to believe is real. But until we get a thing saying "Harbinger was attempting a rapid indoctrination" or the like then all we have is a theory. There's no "obvious clues" or the like, there's just stuff that you've all seen (and i've read about) that lead up to a workable hypothesis.

Workable Hypothesis is the best description of IT I've read. It isn't fact, it isnt definitive, and it isn't bullet-proof. When viewing the ME experience through an IT prism, a lot of things make more sense than they made otherwise, at least for me. I've really enjoyed the speculation and analysis of the games.

Is IT infallible? No. I think though you could apply the Mythbusters rating scale - it certainly isn't confirmed, but I think it's plausiible.
Id much rather Bioware unveil something akin to IT, than taking the stage at PAX and just discussing :wizard:

*looks proud as punch*
 
The thing is I've only played the game once. I was playing mostly paragon (I booted Gerrel off my ship and i sabotaged the genophage because Mordin convinced me in ME2... which I totally called him out on in game. Taking that Ren. interrupt was really hard. I confessed to Garrus later) but when I got to the C... word thing? Catalyst near the Crucible on the Citadel via Conduit i just had a think. I mean, why would I give in to the reapers? And the merging DNA makes no sense to me (although i GUESS reapers would have dna...) So, i shuffled towards the orange tank (yes, I would sacrifice EDI and the geth, but hell, I sacrificed Mordin and Wrex... As Garrus says "...damn war.") and... is it just me or does Shepard walk a little faster on that side?
 Then he gets the second wind in the cut scene and he's awake at the end. It just occurs to me that that is the best ending. Even outside of IT, here's one where he's alive. I don't think i'll ever choose the others.
 But that's just me, it's late, i'm tired and i'm probably going to have nightmares from reading the Dream thread.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just rewatched the Tuchanka dream scene with music off and I swear, after standing close to the child for a while I heard Harbinger say "you can't go on". o.O

at ca. 7:45 and a lot clearer again at 8:00!

Does nobody else hear this? Go to 7:58 and listen closely...

[ky0dar]

Derp88 wrote...

So far it's been concluded that space kid is evil/harbinger incarnate, the biggest link we have to this being the codex entry that links reaper indoctination to ghostly figures/superstitious awe.

I call ... something on this. Hearsay? Something legal thing. A sub...ju...dy. A legal subjudy on this.
 We reason that the space kid is harbinger, but i have seen nor heard anything that it is harbinger, it might as well be a manifestation of the indoctrination signals and programming, part of Shepard's own mind convincing him to give in.
 Also, is it stated that the 4 eyed Reaper who blastinates Hammer Team is Harbinger? I forget.

[SixG90]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just rewatched the Tuchanka dream scene with music off and I swear, after standing close to the child for a while I heard Harbinger say "you can't go on". o.O

at ca. 7:45 and a lot clearer again at 8:00!

I've listened at the same video and I think I heard something like: "resist it" in a "normal wisper and "I'm the Harbringer of your..(destruction, perfection??)" in a Reaper style repeated al lot when the shadows encircle the boy at ca. 8.00-9.05. scary...

EDIT: I heard "you can't (something)" too...

Modifié par mrs.N7, 31 mars 2012 - 02:19 .

[SharpVec]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just rewatched the Tuchanka dream scene with music off and I swear, after standing close to the child for a while I heard Harbinger say "you can't go on". o.O

at ca. 7:45 and a lot clearer again at 8:00!

Does nobody else hear this? Go to 7:58 and listen closely...

I'm really trying to hear it, but I can't.

Sorry.