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[schneeland]

SharpVec wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just rewatched the Tuchanka dream scene with music off and I swear, after standing close to the child for a while I heard Harbinger say "you can't go on". o.O

at ca. 7:45 and a lot clearer again at 8:00!

Does nobody else hear this? Go to 7:58 and listen closely...

I'm really trying to hear it, but I can't.

Sorry.

Me neither. Guess, my ears are just too ruined after all these years.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Hmm or we all just hear what we want to

[schneeland]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Hmm or we all just hear what we want to

Different levels of indoctrination, I guess

[KneeTheCap]

Okay, this is probably nothing, and perhaps borderline pathetic, but here goes.

After the citadel attack when you return to Normandy, Ashley stops you (for me at least, most likely same with Kaidan. And if not killed, so on and so forth). After some dialogue, Ashley asks if Udina was indoctrinated and how can someone fight against something that worms into your mind. Camera then zoom dramatically to Shepard as he says "I don't know".

Just a tidbit, most likely only for dramatic effect, but I find it awesome in any case.

[Derp88]

ky0dar wrote...

Derp88 wrote...

So far it's been concluded that space kid is evil/harbinger incarnate, the biggest link we have to this being the codex entry that links reaper indoctination to ghostly figures/superstitious awe.

I call ... something on this. Hearsay? Something legal thing. A sub...ju...dy. A legal subjudy on this.
 We reason that the space kid is harbinger, but i have seen nor heard anything that it is harbinger, it might as well be a manifestation of the indoctrination signals and programming, part of Shepard's own mind convincing him to give in.
 Also, is it stated that the 4 eyed Reaper who blastinates Hammer Team is Harbinger? I forget.

I didn't write this, so don't know why I'm quoted lol

[Spiderman_2028]

ky0dar wrote...

I call ... something on this. Hearsay? Something legal thing. A sub...ju...dy. A legal subjudy on this.
 We reason that the space kid is harbinger, but i have seen nor heard anything that it is harbinger, it might as well be a manifestation of the indoctrination signals and programming, part of Shepard's own mind convincing him to give in.
 Also, is it stated that the 4 eyed Reaper who blastinates Hammer Team is Harbinger? I forget.

Black Books. love it.

Modifié par Spiderman_2028, 31 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[Skillz1986]

What I did was putting in my headphones. pumping sfx volume to 100%. turning down musc volume completely and listened to thos background whispers right before the final approach to the child. first thing i've noticed is that the shadows place themselves around the child..hence obscuring your approach. don't know what that could mean. but listening to those voices i clearly heard "shepard stay away from him" steadily repeating and oberlaying. since i am a little bit biased..i let my sister do the listening (she's not a gamer at all) and she confirmed it..try it. maybe i'm not alone in this

[Skillz1986]

I was talking about the tuchanka dream sequence

[Jadebaby]

More indoc evidence

About the dream sequences.

First of all, It's worth noting that when you wake up each time you do the facepalm as if you have a headache.......

In the 2nd dream sequence after you 'wake up' it is unclear whether you were actually sleeping or just hallucinating as you have a datapad in your hand and seem to be standing from what I saw.... This could be backed up by this datalog from ME2 the Arrival.

EDIT: If it starts at the start, skip to 13:10..

[njfluffy19]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

More indoc evidence

About the dream sequences.

First of all, It's worth noting that when you wake up each time you do the facepalm as if you have a headache.......

In the 2nd dream sequence after you 'wake up' it is unclear whether you were actually sleeping or just hallucinating as you have a datapad in your hand and seem to be standing from what I saw.... This could be backed up by this datalog from ME2 the Arrival.

EDIT: If it starts at the start, skip to 13:10..

I am absolutely positive there is a crap ton of foreshadowing in the previous games that hitn to this theory. Why else give us freaky dreams with oily shadows and unintelligable whispers?

[njfluffy19]

SharpVec wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just rewatched the Tuchanka dream scene with music off and I swear, after standing close to the child for a while I heard Harbinger say "you can't go on". o.O

at ca. 7:45 and a lot clearer again at 8:00!

Does nobody else hear this? Go to 7:58 and listen closely...

I'm really trying to hear it, but I can't.

Sorry.

I heard it too...! Weeeeird. Though, I could just be hearing what I want, but I heard it the first time I listened.

[Jadebaby]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

More indoc evidence

About the dream sequences.

First of all, It's worth noting that when you wake up each time you do the facepalm as if you have a headache.......

In the 2nd dream sequence after you 'wake up' it is unclear whether you were actually sleeping or just hallucinating as you have a datapad in your hand and seem to be standing from what I saw.... This could be backed up by this datalog from ME2 the Arrival.

EDIT: If it starts at the start, skip to 13:10..

I am absolutely positive there is a crap ton of foreshadowing in the previous games that hitn to this theory. Why else give us freaky dreams with oily shadows and unintelligable whispers?

But more importantly, The Arrival was the DLC they released when they knew where they'd be going with ME3.

[njfluffy19]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

More indoc evidence

About the dream sequences.

First of all, It's worth noting that when you wake up each time you do the facepalm as if you have a headache.......

In the 2nd dream sequence after you 'wake up' it is unclear whether you were actually sleeping or just hallucinating as you have a datapad in your hand and seem to be standing from what I saw.... This could be backed up by this datalog from ME2 the Arrival.

EDIT: If it starts at the start, skip to 13:10..

I am absolutely positive there is a crap ton of foreshadowing in the previous games that hitn to this theory. Why else give us freaky dreams with oily shadows and unintelligable whispers?

But more importantly, The Arrival was the DLC they released when they knew where they'd be going with ME3.

Yes, and it focuses heavily on indoctrination and even puts you into close proximity with a massive Reaper Artifact.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

njfluffy19 wrote...

SharpVec wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just rewatched the Tuchanka dream scene with music off and I swear, after standing close to the child for a while I heard Harbinger say "you can't go on". o.O

at ca. 7:45 and a lot clearer again at 8:00!

Does nobody else hear this? Go to 7:58 and listen closely...

I'm really trying to hear it, but I can't.

Sorry.

I heard it too...! Weeeeird. Though, I could just be hearing what I want, but I heard it the first time I listened.

Yes!! I'm not going crazy!

[Derp88]

Originally I thought the Arrival DLC was just going to be the seg-way between ME2 and 3, emphasising the encroaching reaper threat. But maybe Bioware focussed heavily on indoctrination with this DLC for a reason....

Modifié par Derp88, 31 mars 2012 - 02:47 .

[schneeland]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

More indoc evidence

About the dream sequences.

First of all, It's worth noting that when you wake up each time you do the facepalm as if you have a headache.......

In the 2nd dream sequence after you 'wake up' it is unclear whether you were actually sleeping or just hallucinating as you have a datapad in your hand and seem to be standing from what I saw.... This could be backed up by this datalog from ME2 the Arrival.

EDIT: If it starts at the start, skip to 13:10..

13:10 is already quite good, yet if you skip to 16:50 you will explicitly hear: "I know, I am not the only one having those dreams". Seems even more fitting (in particular since - as you said - this DLC prepared the events of Mass Effect 3)

[Jadebaby]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

More indoc evidence

About the dream sequences.

First of all, It's worth noting that when you wake up each time you do the facepalm as if you have a headache.......

In the 2nd dream sequence after you 'wake up' it is unclear whether you were actually sleeping or just hallucinating as you have a datapad in your hand and seem to be standing from what I saw.... This could be backed up by this datalog from ME2 the Arrival.

EDIT: If it starts at the start, skip to 13:10..

I am absolutely positive there is a crap ton of foreshadowing in the previous games that hitn to this theory. Why else give us freaky dreams with oily shadows and unintelligable whispers?

But more importantly, The Arrival was the DLC they released when they knew where they'd be going with ME3.

Yes, and it focuses heavily on indoctrination and even puts you into close proximity with a massive Reaper Artifact.

THIS x EVERYTHING!!

This is the only reason I believe in IT. You activated a reaper artifact, in the books there had been people turned straight into husks by activating an artifact. TIM himself was a very strong-willed soldier and he fell to it eventually too, plus he never directly activated it.

There is no reason in the universe to suggest why Shepard would be immune to indoctrination..

[Jaxitty]

Playing devils advocate here for half a second and ignoring all the symbology the dreams practically throw at you at high velocity, the whispers could be nothing more that stage setting by the devs, trying to point out Shep's survivor guilt at being unable to save the child s/he saw and having to leave Earth it to save it.

I personally have never heard anything but the voices of the dead that my Shep was close to. Ashley, Wrex, (yes, unfortunately on the char I'm currently playing I blew him away <.<) Mordin and others.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

mrs.N7 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just rewatched the Tuchanka dream scene with music off and I swear, after standing close to the child for a while I heard Harbinger say "you can't go on". o.O

at ca. 7:45 and a lot clearer again at 8:00!

I've listened at the same video and I think I heard something like: "resist it" in a "normal wisper and "I'm the Harbringer of your..(destruction, perfection??)" in a Reaper style repeated al lot when the shadows encircle the boy at ca. 8.00-9.05. scary...

EDIT: I heard "you can't (something)" too...

I am hearing what sounds like I'm the harbinger of your destruction also

[Jadebaby]

schneeland wrote...

13:10 is already quite good, yet if you skip to 16:50 you will explicitly hear: "I know, I am not the only one having those dreams". Seems even more fitting (in particular since - as you said - this DLC prepared the events of Mass Effect 3)

Just checked it out, and that's amazing. It even sounds like Kenson went through a stage of self-doubt before becoming indoctrinated.. Like Shepard.

[Jadebaby]

Jaxitty wrote...

Playing devils advocate here for half a second and ignoring all the symbology the dreams practically throw at you at high velocity, the whispers could be nothing more that stage setting by the devs, trying to point out Shep's survivor guilt at being unable to save the child s/he saw and having to leave Earth it to save it.

I personally have never heard anything but the voices of the dead that my Shep was close to. Ashley, Wrex, (yes, unfortunately on the char I'm currently playing I blew him away <.<) Mordin and others.

But that's what makes this "theory" so compelling, is you can dismiss smaller things like this and still have a chunk load of information both bigger and smaller things to support it.

[schneeland]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

schneeland wrote...

13:10 is already quite good, yet if you skip to 16:50 you will explicitly hear: "I know, I am not the only one having those dreams". Seems even more fitting (in particular since - as you said - this DLC prepared the events of Mass Effect 3)

Just checked it out, and that's amazing. It even sounds like Kenson went through a stage of self-doubt before becoming indoctrinated.. Like Shepard.

Hmm ... not sure, if we can infer that from this scene - I think it is one of her project scientists who has written that entry. Still, maybe you're right.

[Martukis]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

schneeland wrote...

13:10 is already quite good, yet if you skip to 16:50 you will explicitly hear: "I know, I am not the only one having those dreams". Seems even more fitting (in particular since - as you said - this DLC prepared the events of Mass Effect 3)

Just checked it out, and that's amazing. It even sounds like Kenson went through a stage of self-doubt before becoming indoctrinated.. Like Shepard.

 Indeed, I seem to recall one log says "I feel like we're doing something terrible." My question is, how far along was she in the indoctrination process? Originally, I thought she was having the start of indoctrination - that she thought destroying the relay was terrible. But I am starting to wonder if this wasn't a moment of lucidity out of the hypnotic effect of indoctrination. After all, Kenson brought Sheperd there, and even if she didn't, he could have had the scientists blast the asteroid away from the relay. The thing is, we have no idea what the Rho artifact does/did, or if it would be destroyed by the explosion.
 My reasons for this line of thought are partially influenced by the scene with the color burt traversing the relays - starting in the Viper Nebula, where the Alpha Relay was. I'm starting to wonder if Object Rho didn't trigger some sort of chain reaction when it was smashed into the alpha relay - the whole setup to stop Sheperd along with his mysterious ability to fight off the drugs they were giving him, and Harbringer's final speech there leave me suspicious of it all.

[Dwailing]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

More indoc evidence

About the dream sequences.

First of all, It's worth noting that when you wake up each time you do the facepalm as if you have a headache.......

In the 2nd dream sequence after you 'wake up' it is unclear whether you were actually sleeping or just hallucinating as you have a datapad in your hand and seem to be standing from what I saw.... This could be backed up by this datalog from ME2 the Arrival.

EDIT: If it starts at the start, skip to 13:10..

I am absolutely positive there is a crap ton of foreshadowing in the previous games that hitn to this theory. Why else give us freaky dreams with oily shadows and unintelligable whispers?

But more importantly, The Arrival was the DLC they released when they knew where they'd be going with ME3.

Yes, and it focuses heavily on indoctrination and even puts you into close proximity with a massive Reaper Artifact.

THIS x EVERYTHING!!

This is the only reason I believe in IT. You activated a reaper artifact, in the books there had been people turned straight into husks by activating an artifact. TIM himself was a very strong-willed soldier and he fell to it eventually too, plus he never directly activated it.

There is no reason in the universe to suggest why Shepard would be immune to indoctrination..

OK, as much as I absolutely LOVE this line of thought, remember that if you didn't import a game from ME2 that Shepard didn't complete Arrival.  Although honestly, are ANY of us Indoc Theory supporters people who DIDN'T import from ME2?

[Chyliss]

Question: A couple of minutes after you enter the beam and "arrive" on the Citadel, you get +15 reputation and +2 Paragon for no apparent reason... There is no dialogue or event that seems to obviously trigger that, so where is it coming from? Any ideas? Was this brought up already and I just missed it?

Also, it's pretty suspicious that Shep has his scars back and looks like he did at the beginning of ME2 from the moment he comes to on the ground before approaching the beam. That can't be a coincidence.