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#26601
Angmir

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Rifneno wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So then I ask, why are you being arrested at the start of your ME3 game if you didn't do arrival and someone else was to blame for aratoht?


There was an... 'incident' in the Afterlife VIP room. :unsure:


i think the reason is - siding with Cerberus.

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Rifneno wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So then I ask, why are you being arrested at the start of your ME3 game if you didn't do arrival and someone else was to blame for aratoht?


There was an... 'incident' in the Afterlife VIP room. :unsure:


And woke up to a smiling Aria..
Purgatory wasn't the first time! :blink:

#26603
Rifneno

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lex0r11 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So then I ask, why are you being arrested at the start of your ME3 game if you didn't do arrival and someone else was to blame for aratoht?


There was an... 'incident' in the Afterlife VIP room. :unsure:


And woke up to a smiling Aria..
Purgatory wasn't the first time! :blink:


She was happy Shepard has an extended barrel V mod.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

But in ME3 there's that one Cerberus mission where you have to collect these brainwashing devices, and they are rather small. They could easily be hidden in a ship.

and yeah, it's amazing how we are creeping each other out here :alien:



Yeah, right. Forgot about these little bastards. It was the N7 Cerberus Labs missions, wasn't it?

and yeah, it's amazing how we are creeping each other out here [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/alien.png[/smilie]


Actually I wonder, if this is what Bioware orginally intended? Like people collecting pieces of coincidental evidence, speculating and having a good time (because I actually enjoy this thread, at least most of the time) - and not everybody getting totally mad at the current ending.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So then I ask, why are you being arrested at the start of your ME3 game if you didn't do arrival and someone else was to blame for aratoht?


There was an... 'incident' in the Afterlife VIP room. :unsure:


And woke up to a smiling Aria..
Purgatory wasn't the first time! :blink:


Well, so much for the first rule of Omega.  I guess Garrus Vakarian wasn't the only one. B)

#26606
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Rifneno wrote...

schneeland wrote...

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More indoc evidence

About the dream sequences.

First of all, It's worth noting that when you wake up each time you do the facepalm as if you have a headache.......

In the 2nd dream sequence after you 'wake up' it is unclear whether you were actually sleeping or just hallucinating as you have a datapad in your hand and seem to be standing from what I saw.... This could be backed up by this datalog from ME2 the Arrival.

EDIT: If it starts at the start, skip to 13:10..


13:10 is already quite good, yet if you skip to 16:50 you will explicitly hear: "I know, I am not the only one having those dreams". Seems even more fitting (in particular since - as you said - this DLC prepared the events of Mass Effect 3)


She also complained toward the end that now she'd never live to see the Reapers' promises fulfilled.  She was promised something?  ...  Like Harbingerkid promises Shepard all that good stuff if he grabs the electric bars or jumps into the beam?


Even though I loled at this, it is actually very true!! That's how they trick people so successfully, they don't just go up to you and say "hey don't worry we'll look after you if you do what we say".... It's sub-conscious and psychological... Sneaky Harby!Posted Image

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Rifneno wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So then I ask, why are you being arrested at the start of your ME3 game if you didn't do arrival and someone else was to blame for aratoht?


There was an... 'incident' in the Afterlife VIP room. :unsure:


And woke up to a smiling Aria..
Purgatory wasn't the first time! :blink:


She was happy Shepard has an extended barrel V mod.


I've seen this being commented on before.
How do you end up in bed with Aria? I've searched the net many times for an answer.
Or is it just a "joke" I don't get. xD

#26608
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DashingSplash wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So then I ask, why are you being arrested at the start of your ME3 game if you didn't do arrival and someone else was to blame for aratoht?


There was an... 'incident' in the Afterlife VIP room. :unsure:


And woke up to a smiling Aria..
Purgatory wasn't the first time! :blink:


She was happy Shepard has an extended barrel V mod.


I've seen this being commented on before.
How do you end up in bed with Aria? I've searched the net many times for an answer.
Or is it just a "joke" I don't get. xD


Have 3 drinks at the bar I think.

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I've got some very weird sounds of the dream sequences, which I think that are proof of the Indoctrination theory.



#26610
Jadebaby

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Angmir wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So then I ask, why are you being arrested at the start of your ME3 game if you didn't do arrival and someone else was to blame for aratoht?


There was an... 'incident' in the Afterlife VIP room. :unsure:


i think the reason is - siding with Cerberus.


Both these responses seem like trolls to me...

#26611
DashingSplash

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K2daE wrote...

DashingSplash wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So then I ask, why are you being arrested at the start of your ME3 game if you didn't do arrival and someone else was to blame for aratoht?


There was an... 'incident' in the Afterlife VIP room. :unsure:


And woke up to a smiling Aria..
Purgatory wasn't the first time! :blink:


She was happy Shepard has an extended barrel V mod.


I've seen this being commented on before.
How do you end up in bed with Aria? I've searched the net many times for an answer.
Or is it just a "joke" I don't get. xD


Have 3 drinks at the bar I think.


Ah thanks. Will have to try that out this evening then. (:
So annoying that the hottest character in the game is not romancable.

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Wow the hate for us just keeps growing by the day.

Makes me wish that this is true and BioWare proves us right just so they end up looking silly.

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schneeland

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K2daE wrote...

DashingSplash wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So then I ask, why are you being arrested at the start of your ME3 game if you didn't do arrival and someone else was to blame for aratoht?


There was an... 'incident' in the Afterlife VIP room. :unsure:


And woke up to a smiling Aria..
Purgatory wasn't the first time! :blink:


She was happy Shepard has an extended barrel V mod.


I've seen this being commented on before.
How do you end up in bed with Aria? I've searched the net many times for an answer.
Or is it just a "joke" I don't get. xD


Have 3 drinks at the bar I think.


Hmm ... I think, you only wake up next to her then (possibly with a very bad headache ;)).

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The more I think about it, the more I think it could be significant that after completing the game, you are returned to the point before the assault on the Cerberus base.

What if you hit the Cerberus HQ... But never left? We know they are holding Reaper Tech- including whatever is left of the Human-Reaper-Abortion... You cross all those walkways- over a 'chasm', referenced by 'Anderson' in the confrontation scene...also, look at the walls as you leave that section of Cerberus HQ. if you stand in the doorway and look at where a doorframe would normally be... the walls are hollow- they look as if they've been faked, or that they can be changed/replaced or something... Then you have the big ramp to get to TIM's office... Similar to the ramp you walk up to get to the confrontation on the citadel...

I'm not saying any of this is definitive proof of anything... But what if the indoctrination isn't the work of the Reapers, but Cerberus?

Another goofy theory... What if the Shep we play as in ME2 and ME3 isn't the only one out there?
What if YOUR Shep gets zapped by Harby...

... And then we see TIM's indoctrination of the Anti-Shep... A clone he had made while Miranda was working on Project Lazarus- that he DID fit with a control chip, and reaper tech... Tim's upgrades give him complete control of this Anti-Shep... The Citadel scenes are TIM testing his new toy... The weird videos we get shown post choice are memories implanted to make anti-Shep more compliant... The tests allow TIM to see how malleable his new Shep is, how effective his control will be...

If the junk written above doesn't earn me my tin-foil hat, nothing will! Again- I don't believe either of those proposals are fact... And they aren't as well thought out as IT... Just killing time till PAX(!)

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K2daE wrote...

DashingSplash wrote...

I've seen this being commented on before.
How do you end up in bed with Aria? I've searched the net many times for an answer.
Or is it just a "joke" I don't get. xD


Have 3 drinks at the bar I think.


lol I think it's 4 or 5, but yes, you wake up on the couch next to Aria, she's sitting up right and there's nothing to suggest anything happened, she just gives you a weird look which has caused a lot of people to react how this game has taught them to react and speculate.

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Hingjon wrote...

I've got some very weird sounds of the dream sequences, which I think that are proof of the Indoctrination theory.


after you hear the boy laughing, I heard something that seems electronic laugh... the reapers are laughing at you?? :alien:
ok now I'm really scared:unsure:

#26617
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Angmir wrote...

i think the reason is - siding with Cerberus.


In italics- if you don't import/don't play arrival, I think that comment is saying you are arrested and brought before the Defence council to answer questions about why humanities first Spectre and an Elite N7 marine, flew around the Galaxy working for what is regarded as being a known Terrorist Organisation, in Cerberus.

Thats how I read it anyway.

Modifié par Spiderman_2028, 31 mars 2012 - 04:21 .


#26618
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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Angmir wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So then I ask, why are you being arrested at the start of your ME3 game if you didn't do arrival and someone else was to blame for aratoht?


There was an... 'incident' in the Afterlife VIP room. :unsure:


i think the reason is - siding with Cerberus.


Both these responses seem like trolls to me...


I don't think you understand the difference between "a joke" and "trolling".  Which is odd because they really have very little in common.
And I didn't even know about the Aria/bench scene.  No speculation on my part.  Again, I was just kidding.

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mrs.N7 wrote...

Hingjon wrote...

I've got some very weird sounds of the dream sequences, which I think that are proof of the Indoctrination theory.


after you hear the boy laughing, I heard something that seems electronic laugh... the reapers are laughing at you?? :alien:
ok now I'm really scared:unsure:


Yeah a scary laugh.

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Well i bet it got posted already but :

3:05



"Struggle,if you wish.Your mind will be mine"

#26621
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The possibility of EDI being the indoctrinater on board the Normandy is certainly a creative thought, the problem is why wasn't Shepard Indoc in the second game since EDI was on the ship?

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Spiderman_2028 wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I think it could be significant that after completing the game, you are returned to the point before the assault on the Cerberus base.

What if you hit the Cerberus HQ... But never left? We know they are holding Reaper Tech- including whatever is left of the Human-Reaper-Abortion...


I have thought about this before on more than one occasion, because it happens right after stargazer goes "one more story..."

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

I'm not saying any of this is definitive proof of anything... But what if the indoctrination isn't the work of the Reapers, but Cerberus?


This I actually took some note in... When I was in the Cerberus base at the end I could have sworn those Vlogs were going to say something about TIM corrupting you through your cybernetic implants and that was going to be a plot-defying moment, alas it wasn't.

Regardless best not to speculate on the speculation.

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mrs.N7 wrote...

Hingjon wrote...

I've got some very weird sounds of the dream sequences, which I think that are proof of the Indoctrination theory.


after you hear the boy laughing, I heard something that seems electronic laugh... the reapers are laughing at you?? :alien:
ok now I'm really scared:unsure:


OMG, so creepy.  That Reaper laughing in particular.  I don't know how people can still say that the endings are just because Bioware are bad writers.  There is so much evidence that there is something else going on that you just can't take them at face value.

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Off-topic, sorry.

Modifié par DashingSplash, 31 mars 2012 - 04:28 .


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Gilgamesh117 wrote...

The possibility of EDI being the indoctrinater on board the Normandy is certainly a creative thought, the problem is why wasn't Shepard Indoc in the second game since EDI was on the ship?


Indoctrination happens over a long period of time. It may have started during ME2, and then continued in ME3.