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[Quahtli]

DuskRose wrote...

The idea that huskification and indoctrination are two almost separate things.  I'm essentially basing my theory on what happened with Saren in ME 1.    Husks, in my opinion, are like mechanical puppets whose strings have to be pulled by, say Reaper or Reaper-based programs.  Remember each Reaper is made of many programs, and theoretically, these programs could break off and be in other physical hubs.  Dragon's teeth mi ghtserve a duty twofold: 1) replacing all the organic stuff with tech (think of how they remove all the nutrientsand stuff and replace it with electronics), and 2) a physical hub from which the programming can control the actions of the husks.

What are you basing this on?

I guess it makes sense (the rest of what you say), but it's pretty much all speculation.

On a side note, I really wonder whatever happened to Scions and Abominations, from ME2. (They could've at least been added as an extra multiplayer opponent, perhaps Collectors as an extra foe backed up with scions, abominations and husks?)

[Martukis]

Quahtli wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

The idea that huskification and indoctrination are two almost separate things.  I'm essentially basing my theory on what happened with Saren in ME 1.    Husks, in my opinion, are like mechanical puppets whose strings have to be pulled by, say Reaper or Reaper-based programs.  Remember each Reaper is made of many programs, and theoretically, these programs could break off and be in other physical hubs.  Dragon's teeth mi ghtserve a duty twofold: 1) replacing all the organic stuff with tech (think of how they remove all the nutrientsand stuff and replace it with electronics), and 2) a physical hub from which the programming can control the actions of the husks.

What are you basing this on?

I guess it makes sense (the rest of what you say), but it's pretty much all speculation.

On a side note, I really wonder whatever happened to Scions and Abominations, from ME2. (They could've at least been added as an extra multiplayer opponent, perhaps Collectors as an extra foe backed up with scions, abominations and husks?)

 My best guess is that the scions and abominations were the preserved husks of the previous cycle, used as a sort of shock troop. Or it could be something else entirely.

[Quahtli]

Falloutwarfare wrote...

Quahtli wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

hey guys just thought I would put my bit in for what is worth

so here is what i noticed that didn't realy make sense or seemed out of place to me:

1. so when you arrive at the citadel after entering the beam shepard and anderson speculate that the reapers are using the bodies to make new reapers but from what it says in the codex under reaper variants is that they have ships dedicated to harvesting. so why whould they use the citadel?

2.this bit might be bad attention to detail from bioware but there is a keaper in the area with all the bodies that can't be damaged but can also be walked through as if they arn't there. ofcource this might be emergancy induction port grasping but whatever.

3. finally once shepard crosses the bridge to get to anderson on either side of the stairs leading to the control room there are white objects with "1M1" written on them that appear to be thanix cannons from the room of calibrations......... i meen main battery . and if none of the modern citadel races has supposed to have found the control room (I think thats correct atleast) then why would there be pieces of their tech there?

these points may have already been mentioned before in the 1k of other pages but what ya gonna do?

also sorry for spelling i miss spell like a fiend at times

1. Possible explanation can be that , similar to the citadel having the possibility of being used as the ultimate Mass Relay, it perhaps could likewise be used as the ultimate Reaper Harvesting Center.

2. Shouldn't be looked into too much, just last minute tuning on bioware's part, they had to get it done before the dead line. There's a bunch of unfinished stuff like that all over the game.

3. That is one of the most commonly used examples when people want to confirm the Indoctrination theory. It's a good point, an explanation is that it is indeed inside Shepard's mind. To fill in the room, he uses things he had seen in his journeys.

i did think about the whole citadel is a ultimate mass relay/havester but another thing comes to mind.

if the citadel can be used to disrupt the mass relay network then why wouldn't the reapers just shut them off and harvest systems without interuption? i meen the allied fleets could still try and get to earth but would arrive low on supplies and realy demoralised.
also apparently they reapers have brough all their ships to earth to stop the crucible, what if this gives the impresion of fear (or as close too fear as the reapers can get) to give shepard and co a false sense of hope and already have their plan of indoctrination ready.

that kind of makes more sense to me anyway wondered what you guys thought

"why wouldn't the reapers just shut them off and harvest systems without interuption" < this is exactly one of the reasons for why I think the reapers are NOT the ones who built the mass relays. They use them similarly to all other races. Whoever built the reapers also built the relays, I think.

[Big Bad]

I really hope there is not something or someone who create and controls the Reapers. The idea that they assembled themselves over the course of millions (billions?) of years just feels more elegant to me.

Also, I was pretty bummed when it was revealed that the Borg had a Queen for similar reasons.

[n00bsauce2010]

Quahtli wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

Quahtli wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

hey guys just thought I would put my bit in for what is worth

so here is what i noticed that didn't realy make sense or seemed out of place to me:

1. so when you arrive at the citadel after entering the beam shepard and anderson speculate that the reapers are using the bodies to make new reapers but from what it says in the codex under reaper variants is that they have ships dedicated to harvesting. so why whould they use the citadel?

2.this bit might be bad attention to detail from bioware but there is a keaper in the area with all the bodies that can't be damaged but can also be walked through as if they arn't there. ofcource this might be emergancy induction port grasping but whatever.

3. finally once shepard crosses the bridge to get to anderson on either side of the stairs leading to the control room there are white objects with "1M1" written on them that appear to be thanix cannons from the room of calibrations......... i meen main battery . and if none of the modern citadel races has supposed to have found the control room (I think thats correct atleast) then why would there be pieces of their tech there?

these points may have already been mentioned before in the 1k of other pages but what ya gonna do?

also sorry for spelling i miss spell like a fiend at times

1. Possible explanation can be that , similar to the citadel having the possibility of being used as the ultimate Mass Relay, it perhaps could likewise be used as the ultimate Reaper Harvesting Center.

2. Shouldn't be looked into too much, just last minute tuning on bioware's part, they had to get it done before the dead line. There's a bunch of unfinished stuff like that all over the game.

3. That is one of the most commonly used examples when people want to confirm the Indoctrination theory. It's a good point, an explanation is that it is indeed inside Shepard's mind. To fill in the room, he uses things he had seen in his journeys.

i did think about the whole citadel is a ultimate mass relay/havester but another thing comes to mind.

if the citadel can be used to disrupt the mass relay network then why wouldn't the reapers just shut them off and harvest systems without interuption? i meen the allied fleets could still try and get to earth but would arrive low on supplies and realy demoralised.
also apparently they reapers have brough all their ships to earth to stop the crucible, what if this gives the impresion of fear (or as close too fear as the reapers can get) to give shepard and co a false sense of hope and already have their plan of indoctrination ready.

that kind of makes more sense to me anyway wondered what you guys thought

"why wouldn't the reapers just shut them off and harvest systems without interuption" < this is exactly one of the reasons for why I think the reapers are NOT the ones who built the mass relays. They use them similarly to all other races. Whoever built the reapers also built the relays, I think.

My theory before all of the speculation was that the reapers were created by some organic race long long ago and they rebelled against them. Could explain their hate for organics and not synthetics. Could also explain the mass relays/citadel.

[Falloutwarfare]

@Quahtli perhaps they originated from a galaxy far far away? lol i kid

but i thought javik AKA prothy the prothean says they emerged from dark space to the citadel and cut off communication with the other systems.......... though he dont actualy say they shut the relays off i did take it that whas what good old prothy ment

[Quahtli]

Big Bad wrote...

I really hope there is not something or someone who create and controls the Reapers. The idea that they assembled themselves over the course of millions (billions?) of years just feels more elegant to me.

Also, I was pretty bummed when it was revealed that the Borg had a Queen for similar reasons.

Well they still should have had at least some creator, right? Even if it was just basic software, some basic program or whatever, it would still have been created.
Or is this some sort of,  "Chicken or egg" thing ?

[Falloutwarfare]

Big Bad wrote...

I really hope there is not something or someone who create and controls the Reapers. The idea that they assembled themselves over the course of millions (billions?) of years just feels more elegant to me.

Also, I was pretty bummed when it was revealed that the Borg had a Queen for similar reasons.

but the borg queen was taken down by the always awesome Janeway............. that could be the way to take out the reapers? use voyager and kick some ass

[Quahtli]

Falloutwarfare wrote...

@Quahtli perhaps they originated from a galaxy far far away? lol i kid

but i thought javik AKA prothy the prothean says they emerged from dark space to the citadel and cut off communication with the other systems.......... though he dont actualy say they shut the relays off i did take it that whas what good old prothy ment

Iirc, prothean scientists sabotaged keepers 50000 years ago to stop them from emitting a signal that would activate the mass relay inside the citadel which would cause all reapers to immediately get to the heart of the galaxy (which, in mass effect 3 is revealed to be a mobile heart....??????????).
What the Reapers wanted to do was use the citadel as their means of transportation into the heart of the galaxy,y from which they would harvest all the races.

I don't remember anything about the reapers using the citadel for any different reason, shutting off communication or something similar. (I could be wrong of course, I am no starchild)

[Big Bad]

Quahtli wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I really hope there is not something or someone who create and controls the Reapers. The idea that they assembled themselves over the course of millions (billions?) of years just feels more elegant to me.

Also, I was pretty bummed when it was revealed that the Borg had a Queen for similar reasons.

Well they still should have had at least some creator, right? Even if it was just basic software, some basic program or whatever, it would still have been created.
Or is this some sort of,  "Chicken or egg" thing ?

I dunno.  I guess you are probably right that somebody must have created the non-biological parts of them, which over the course of time became the Reapers as we know them now.  I just hope that this person or species is long, long, long, long dead.  I want the Reaper cycle to be something that they chose to initiate, not something that somebody else thought up and created for them.

[Quahtli]

DuskRose wrote...

Quahtli wrote...


"why wouldn't the reapers just shut them off and harvest systems without interuption" < this is exactly one of the reasons for why I think the reapers are NOT the ones who built the mass relays. They use them similarly to all other races. Whoever built the reapers also built the relays, I think.

Maybe they did inthe earlier cycles when they were able to nab the Citadel early/quickly.  After all, listening to Vigil
@  he said that once the Reapers got a hold of the Citadel, that's essentially what they did to the Protheans

If the relays were shut down , then how would Protheans be able to retreat from planet to planet. FTL travel only takes them so far. Besides, prothean scientists managed to go from Ilos all the way to the Citadel (then again, that was through the conduit, but someone had to place the other side of the conduit on the citadel, and even if they didn't travel there themselves beforehand, communications had to be sent there or something in order for that to be built, I think?).

[Big Bad]

Falloutwarfare wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I really hope there is not something or someone who create and controls the Reapers. The idea that they assembled themselves over the course of millions (billions?) of years just feels more elegant to me.

Also, I was pretty bummed when it was revealed that the Borg had a Queen for similar reasons.

but the borg queen was taken down by the always awesome Janeway............. that could be the way to take out the reapers? use voyager and kick some ass

LOL.  I was never able to enjoy Voyager, so I rarely watched it.  I don't think I saw Janeway kicking anybody's ass.

[Quahtli]

Big Bad wrote...

I dunno.  I guess you are probably right that somebody must have created the non-biological parts of them, which over the course of time became the Reapers as we know them now.  I just hope that this person or species is long, long, long, long dead.  I want the Reaper cycle to be something that they chose to initiate, not something that somebody else thought up and created for them.

I do agree, you know. Not because they added some godchild to supposedly be in charge of the reapers, changing my mind. But before that, long before that, when you first hear about the Reapers in Virmire and talk to Sovereign. I remember that feeling, that there's this alien machine race that is going to destroy all life. At this point I did not think about it too much, but I did not want them to have some sort of living leader. They are the Reapers, a mechanical race that annihilates all sapient life every 50000 years, nothing more. If they were to have a leader, it should, too, be a machine similar to the reapers. Harbinger-like.

[Big Bad]

Quahtli wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I dunno.  I guess you are probably right that somebody must have created the non-biological parts of them, which over the course of time became the Reapers as we know them now.  I just hope that this person or species is long, long, long, long dead.  I want the Reaper cycle to be something that they chose to initiate, not something that somebody else thought up and created for them.

I do agree, you know. Not because they added some godchild to supposedly be in charge of the reapers, changing my mind. But before that, long before that, when you first hear about the Reapers in Virmire and talk to Sovereign. I remember that feeling, that there's this alien machine race that is going to destroy all life. At this point I did not think about it too much, but I did not want them to have some sort of living leader. They are the Reapers, a mechanical race that annihilates all sapient life every 50000 years, nothing more. If they were to have a leader, it should, too, be a machine similar to the reapers. Harbinger-like.

Agreed. 

[Falloutwarfare]

@Quahtli i should re-phrase i didnt meen cut of comms like extranet and what not but shut down the relays so that no ships could report news with any great speed (in a war you need up to date info right not weeks after it happens right?) and the reapers could cut comms like the comm bouys as they went.

hope this clears that up mate

[Laurencio]

This theory has so many holes in it is laughable. No offence, but you would have to be a fairly bad writer, with no concept of game mechanics and story arch for this to even remotely make sense. Not saying the ending was perfect, but this is like papering over the Battlestar Galactica references with gimmicks from Eternal Sunshine of a spotless mind and Inception.

[Big Bad]

Laurencio wrote...

This theory has so many holes in it is laughable. No offence, but you would have to be a fairly bad writer, with no concept of game mechanics and story arch for this to even remotely make sense. Not saying the ending was perfect, but this is like papering over the Battlestar Galactica references with gimmicks from Eternal Sunshine of a spotless mind and Inception.

Thank you for this extremely useful and insightful comment.  I will ponder it for many hours as I seek to understand the truth about ME3.

[schneeland]

Big Bad wrote...

Thank you for this extremely useful and insightful comment.  I will ponder it for many hours as I seek to understand the truth about ME3.

It's the troll cycle. It cannot be broken.

[Falloutwarfare]

Big Bad wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I really hope there is not something or someone who create and controls the Reapers. The idea that they assembled themselves over the course of millions (billions?) of years just feels more elegant to me.

Also, I was pretty bummed when it was revealed that the Borg had a Queen for similar reasons.

but the borg queen was taken down by the always awesome Janeway............. that could be the way to take out the reapers? use voyager and kick some ass

LOL.  I was never able to enjoy Voyager, so I rarely watched it.  I don't think I saw Janeway kicking anybody's ass.

ah janeway kuck so much ass on her merry way.... including the borg so many times... but havent watched in a while so i forget all the rest's names

[Golferguy758]

Laurencio wrote...

This theory has so many holes in it is laughable. No offence, but you would have to be a fairly bad writer, with no concept of game mechanics and story arch for this to even remotely make sense. Not saying the ending was perfect, but this is like papering over the Battlestar Galactica references with gimmicks from Eternal Sunshine of a spotless mind and Inception.

Thank you for your feedback! What parts of the Indoctrination theory did you like?

[HairyMadDog1010]

Quahtli wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

The idea that huskification and indoctrination are two almost separate things.  I'm essentially basing my theory on what happened with Saren in ME 1.    Husks, in my opinion, are like mechanical puppets whose strings have to be pulled by, say Reaper or Reaper-based programs.  Remember each Reaper is made of many programs, and theoretically, these programs could break off and be in other physical hubs.  Dragon's teeth mi ghtserve a duty twofold: 1) replacing all the organic stuff with tech (think of how they remove all the nutrientsand stuff and replace it with electronics), and 2) a physical hub from which the programming can control the actions of the husks.

What are you basing this on?

I guess it makes sense (the rest of what you say), but it's pretty much all speculation.

On a side note, I really wonder whatever happened to Scions and Abominations, from ME2. (They could've at least been added as an extra multiplayer opponent, perhaps Collectors as an extra foe backed up with scions, abominations and husks?)

They went from scions and abominations to Cannibals. The main husk is a batarian and the human is fused into it's arm to support the gun.