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[n00bsauce2010]

schneeland wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Thank you for this extremely useful and insightful comment.  I will ponder it for many hours as I seek to understand the truth about ME3.

It's the troll cycle. It cannot be broken.

True story

[Big Bad]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Thank you for this extremely useful and insightful comment.  I will ponder it for many hours as I seek to understand the truth about ME3.

It's the troll cycle. It cannot be broken.

True story

Shhhhhh!  I'm hoping that if we all nod and agree with him, he'll get bored and go away! 

Modifié par Big Bad, 31 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Coachdongwiffle]

The last page of post is about Reaper origins. So here it is as a fact. the original script was that the Reapers were a early species that did this to themselves. They put there species through the process and became Reapers. Maybe it was to stop dark energy or maybe it was the star-kids solution to "control the chaos"

[Laurencio]

I think you will find I'm not actually defending the ME3 ending. I just don't see how this theory is in any way better.

[Rifneno]

Big Bad wrote...

I really hope there is not something or someone who create and controls the Reapers. The idea that they assembled themselves over the course of millions (billions?) of years just feels more elegant to me.

Billion at least. The Leviathan of Dis was carbon dated at about that. Kind of scary. ****ing terrifying. That's 20,000 cycles at 50,000 years per cycle. Each one killing trillions of people.

Quahtli wrote...

Or is this some sort of, "Chicken or egg" thing ?

Actually, scientists answered that one. The chicken came first. Take that, hypothetical unanswerable question!

As for the Reapers origins and their potential masters (which would be a great idea for the continuance of the series after losing our main antagonists), I posted my own theory a while back. Although I guess it wouldn't work since LoD was revealed to be a Reaper, skyrocketing their known age from 37 million to a billion years. Oh well. Theorycrafting's always fun.

Laurencio wrote...

I think you will find I'm not actually defending the ME3 ending. I just don't see how this theory is in any way better.

Cool story bro.

[Ravel1992]

Laurencio wrote...

I think you will find I'm not actually defending the ME3 ending. I just don't see how this theory is in any way better.

I agree, ending without space magic is no good.

:wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:

Modifié par Ravel1992, 31 mars 2012 - 09:07 .

[Vox Draco]

Laurencio wrote...

I think you will find I'm not actually defending the ME3 ending. I just don't see how this theory is in any way better.

Well...for me it is better because it pushes the door wide open for a "real" ending worthy of the series...with Shepard waking up in the rubble, either free of indoc or somehow under the reaper's influence, and the next hours of the fight would lead to a real climax/showdown, either for the good or bad of the galaxy and Shepard, depending on the colored choices you made...

That's what is so appealing of the theroy. It is a way out of the current mess of an Ending. If it is true in some way, well...I still hope so, but I wouldn't bet my life on it...

[njfluffy19]

Ravel1992 wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

I think you will find I'm not actually defending the ME3 ending. I just don't see how this theory is in any way better.

I agree, ending without space magic is no good.

:wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:

Yo dawg, I heard you didn't like the Indoctrination Theory so you came to post on The Indoctrination Theory Thread!

[schneeland]

Rifneno wrote...
As for the Reapers origins and their potential masters (which would be a great idea for the continuance of the series after losing our main antagonists), I posted my own theory a while back. Although I guess it wouldn't work since LoD was revealed to be a Reaper, skyrocketing their known age from 37 million to a billion years. Oh well. Theorycrafting's always fun.

Well, on a second thought, they do seem like house-keeping robots gone mad - just on a larger scale

More seriously:
I am actually unsure if the reapers origins were consistent over the ME history - in ME1 they seemed to be a kind of incomprehensible, super-advanced AI (a concept which I really liked), which could easily have its roots in normal AI (given that ME assumes that strong AI is actually possible); in ME2 it seemed to lean more towards incorporating biological concepts (i.e. I had the impression that they would either use biological races for procreation or "feeding").

And then, in ME3, they just seemed like suckers with big laser guns

[Stigweird85]

I'm sad to say that I can disprove at least one aspect of the IT evidence.

Those shrubs and trees from the dream sequences that apparently appeared after you were hit by Harbringers blast are actually there they whole time.

There is still plenty evidence out there but this isn't sadly isn't one of them. I do have a picture but it was taken from an iPhone 3G so not the best quality.

Also when you do the run to the Conduit your crew mates stay at the top of the hill and do not follow you.

[balance5050]

bigstig wrote...

I'm sad to say that I can disprove at least one aspect of the IT evidence.

Those shrubs and trees from the dream sequences that apparently appeared after you were hit by Harbringers blast are actually there they whole time.

There is still plenty evidence out there but this isn't sadly isn't one of them. I do have a picture but it was taken from an iPhone 3G so not the best quality.

Also when you do the run to the Conduit your crew mates stay at the top of the hill and do not follow you.

False, if you look behind you after being hit with Harby's beam, you trees that were not there before.

[dorktainian]

Whos to say that the reapers are the ones indoctrinating Shep. Maybe it's star kid (from whatever race he is......)

Oh and being a big B5 fan, I would love the true end of Me3 to be like the B5 episode 'Into the fire' where JS chooses to tell the older races to take a hike cos the younger races dont need them anymore. Only we got star brat and RGB cable ending instead. oh and the normandy plot hole.

[Stigweird85]

balance5050 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

I'm sad to say that I can disprove at least one aspect of the IT evidence.

Those shrubs and trees from the dream sequences that apparently appeared after you were hit by Harbringers blast are actually there they whole time.

There is still plenty evidence out there but this isn't sadly isn't one of them. I do have a picture but it was taken from an iPhone 3G so not the best quality.

Also when you do the run to the Conduit your crew mates stay at the top of the hill and do not follow you.

False, if you look behind you after being hit with Harby's beam, you trees that were not there before.

pictures are on their way in a minute. There are several trees and shrubs poking through the ground as you approch the Conduit.

[Sire Styx]

bigstig wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

I'm sad to say that I can disprove at least one aspect of the IT evidence.

Those shrubs and trees from the dream sequences that apparently appeared after you were hit by Harbringers blast are actually there they whole time.

There is still plenty evidence out there but this isn't sadly isn't one of them. I do have a picture but it was taken from an iPhone 3G so not the best quality.

Also when you do the run to the Conduit your crew mates stay at the top of the hill and do not follow you.

False, if you look behind you after being hit with Harby's beam, you trees that were not there before.

pictures are on their way in a minute. There are several trees and shrubs poking through the ground as you approch the Conduit.

Post pictures from before and after, if you can please

[Laurencio]

@Vox Draco

I can see the appeal in using it as an extension towards another ending. It does seem a tad "desperate", but clearly if it allows for a better ending that wouldn't be too bad I guess. Wouldn't be the first time you'd have to look beyond dubious scenarios in the series.

I would say that Personally I liked that the last choice, the one that really mattered was entirely down to me and that I wasn't being guided by the "Paragon/Renegade" system. Which after 3 games has sort of become a bit of a crutch at times. I'm very certain that the choice I saw as the rigjt one, some might see as Paragon, and someone else would see as Renegade, so that part was something I actually liked. It was my choice, not really influnced by a system holding my hand (sort to speak), although the story frame could obviously have been better.

[Big Bad]

I decided I want to start receiving all of the tweets that are pertinent to ME3 and IDT, so I am now following the official ME3 twitter account, as well as Mike Gamble's. Is there anybody else I should add?

[Martukis]

dorktainian wrote...

Whos to say that the reapers are the ones indoctrinating Shep. Maybe it's star kid (from whatever race he is......)

Oh and being a big B5 fan, I would love the true end of Me3 to be like the B5 episode 'Into the fire' where JS chooses to tell the older races to take a hike cos the younger races dont need them anymore. Only we got star brat and RGB cable ending instead. oh and the normandy plot hole.

 Heh, I posted about 100 pages back to the same effect. That scene was pretty epic, and plenty of closure was given in the following episodes. That, and Sheridan's speech about why the Babylon project and space exploration is so important. I still kinda hope that starchild turns out to be an old one testing Shep's resolve/conviction before giving him was was needed to end the cycle.

[Tr0n01d]

I can see it from here !


shepard wakes up after avoiding indoctrination and the very first thing he sees is a goddamned maraduer shouting him to wake up !

New crew member !

Maraduer Shields ! ( AKA Nilhus )

Garrus is going to freak out !

[HairyMadDog1010]

bigstig wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

I'm sad to say that I can disprove at least one aspect of the IT evidence.

Those shrubs and trees from the dream sequences that apparently appeared after you were hit by Harbringers blast are actually there they whole time.

There is still plenty evidence out there but this isn't sadly isn't one of them. I do have a picture but it was taken from an iPhone 3G so not the best quality.

Also when you do the run to the Conduit your crew mates stay at the top of the hill and do not follow you.

False, if you look behind you after being hit with Harby's beam, you trees that were not there before.

pictures are on their way in a minute. There are several trees and shrubs poking through the ground as you approch the Conduit.

There may be some before, but there are more after. a set of trees even move.

[MissMaster_2]

Any new news?

[Stigweird85]

Sire Styx wrote...

bigstig wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

I'm sad to say that I can disprove at least one aspect of the IT evidence.

Those shrubs and trees from the dream sequences that apparently appeared after you were hit by Harbringers blast are actually there they whole time.

There is still plenty evidence out there but this isn't sadly isn't one of them. I do have a picture but it was taken from an iPhone 3G so not the best quality.

Also when you do the run to the Conduit your crew mates stay at the top of the hill and do not follow you.

False, if you look behind you after being hit with Harby's beam, you trees that were not there before.

pictures are on their way in a minute. There are several trees and shrubs poking through the ground as you approch the Conduit.

Post pictures from before and after, if you can please

Please forgive the rather crappy pictures, was using my iPhone camera.
Picture 1(uploaded on twitter for speed) 
https://twitter.com/...8543106/photo/1 
Picture 2
(uploaded on twitter for speed) 
https://twitter.com/...4108544/photo/1 
Picture 2 (uploaded on twitter for speed) 
https://twitter.com/...5488768/photo/1 

I am not sure if I can get after pictures but I'll try.

[balance5050]

bigstig wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

bigstig wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

I'm sad to say that I can disprove at least one aspect of the IT evidence.

Those shrubs and trees from the dream sequences that apparently appeared after you were hit by Harbringers blast are actually there they whole time.

There is still plenty evidence out there but this isn't sadly isn't one of them. I do have a picture but it was taken from an iPhone 3G so not the best quality.

Also when you do the run to the Conduit your crew mates stay at the top of the hill and do not follow you.

False, if you look behind you after being hit with Harby's beam, you trees that were not there before.

pictures are on their way in a minute. There are several trees and shrubs poking through the ground as you approch the Conduit.

Post pictures from before and after, if you can please

Please forgive the rather crappy pictures, was using my iPhone camera.
Picture 1(uploaded on twitter for speed) 
https://twitter.com/...8543106/photo/1 
Picture 2
(uploaded on twitter for speed) 
https://twitter.com/...4108544/photo/1 
Picture 2 (uploaded on twitter for speed) 
https://twitter.com/...5488768/photo/1 

I am not sure if I can get after pictures but I'll try.

Yeah, because there are more trees in the after pictures

[Phobius9]

I've seen it written that TIM's and Shepard's (at the end) eyes are indoctrinated. Both TIM and Shepard can end up having the same blue eyes with the same circles in them with two dots at the bottom.

Has anyone noticed that EDI's eyes appear to be the same, just not glowing? Same circles, same dots. Not sure what this proves? I'd assumed it just suggests that TIM's eyes are just implants (which I believe is mentioned elsewhere) and so are Shepards - you only notice them in the two endings when his outer eye tissue, much like his face, is burnt off/dissolved.

Thoughts?

[Vox Draco]

Laurencio wrote...

@Vox Draco

I can see the appeal in using it as an extension towards another ending. It does seem a tad "desperate", but clearly if it allows for a better ending that wouldn't be too bad I guess. Wouldn't be the first time you'd have to look beyond dubious scenarios in the series.

I would say that Personally I liked that the last choice, the one that really mattered was entirely down to me and that I wasn't being guided by the "Paragon/Renegade" system. Which after 3 games has sort of become a bit of a crutch at times. I'm very certain that the choice I saw as the rigjt one, some might see as Paragon, and someone else would see as Renegade, so that part was something I actually liked. It was my choice, not really influnced by a system holding my hand (sort to speak), although the story frame could obviously have been better.

Well, I personally have left the state of "desperation" behind by now. I think the I.T. is, if not true, at least very entertaining. In fact I had more fun speculating about I.T. than playing ME3 again. In that regard, the I.T. provided me with some kind of "cure" for my depression about the poor ending. So much it has achieved at least. And no matter how often I read some counter-arguments against the I.T. - it still remains a much better and more plausible way to end ME3 than accepting the current Ending...

And the choices...well...I can see your point, but I would have preferred if Shepard's character had played a role in this as well. She acts completely unlike herself in this, and that made me feel extremely uncomfortable about the whole thing... 

[schneeland]

@bigstig:

Does indeed look like they are there. However, the trees after seemed to resemble the "dream trees" a lot more (if I recall correctly).