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[novaseeker]

Doctor Quinn wrote...

Also why doesn't the kid go with Shepherd? He's commander shepherd. Hero of the galaxy. He'd know him/her from the vids. A real kid would be like holy **** save me! But instead he says something that reapers would want him to say to rattle Shepherd's cage, "You can't help me."

Actually, IIRC, the child says "You can't save me."

That's a very, very odd thing for a child of that age to say in that context.

Having said that, I don't think it matters very much whether the child was ever real or not.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Here's to hoping it was just a very bad dream.

[njfluffy19]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

I cant believe i forgot, in ME1 you walk outside of the citadel to get to Saren, there is no oxygen, they had to put on their helmets.

Shot that down.

In the codex it says breathable air is only a few meters above your head.

From the codex under "Wards": Numerous skyscrapers rise from the superstructure, sealed against vacuum, as breathable atmosphere is only maintained to a height of approximately
7 meters.

Maybe that's only for the Ward arms though.

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Citadel

Modifié par njfluffy19, 11 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[MissMaster_2]

dmacleod66 wrote...

Nobody, brought up the possibility that sheperd is still in the asari mind meld with liara, that could explain why the kid that died in the begining and sheperd has been dreaming of appears at the end.
also why anderson just happens to beat sheperd to the control platform, among other things.
My opinion is that this experiance is to prepare sheperd for the real final choice.

O.o HOLY BALLS


INCEPTION!!!

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 11 mars 2012 - 10:42 .

[Zhuinden]

Khar-Goth wrote...

Berkilak wrote...

Khar-Goth wrote...

Berkilak wrote...
Howso? Where else does Harbinger rear his head? I heard the name dropped a few times, but I don't think he had the opportunity to even try.

*snip*

That does bring up something I've been wondering the whole time...

After all of time spent in ME2 of Harbinger trying to chase Shepard down with the Collector's as his proxies, wanting to bring Shepard's body to him, suddenly after Object Rho.... Harbinger doesn't appear to care anymore.

You don't see Harby until the end of ME3, none of the Reapers seem to care one bit about him (though their are times where I swear they are muttering his name during fights), which has me wondering if Harby got what he wanted back when Shepard spent two days doped up on drugs sleeping next to Object Rho during ME2:The Arrival.

Was he full-on indoctrinated then? Probably not, the Prothean VI didn't detect him as being indoctrinated. But then, the Prothean's were also brought down by sleeper agents the Reapers has indoctrinated during their cycle so the tech to detect indoctrination can't be flawless.

In a way, having Shepard as a sleeper agent is a better idea for them. Let him become the symbol of all the galactic races united, and then flip the switch to indoctrinate him fully and have him fulfil the Reaper's goals.

So why does he awaken amidst concrete rubble if he was indoctrinated and up on the Citadel?

Never said he was physically up in the Citadel.

I am all for the idea of him being knocked out by a near hit by Harby's eye-beam-of-doom during the charge down the rather-similar-to-Ilos hill towards the didn't-we-do-this-before Conduit and the whole ending being a hallucination of him fighting off indoctrination (including the talk-TIM-to-suicide repeat of Saren's end) as Harby knows the Crucible has arrived and that it potentially means Reaper doom, and wants to convert Shepard at that last point to force Shepard to fulfil the Reaper's goals.

So the whole end sequence is a hallucination resulting in either Shepard's will becoming the Reaper's (Control, and seriously you just had two games of you and others saying the Reaper's minds are too vast to control), of becoming a physical tool of the Reapers (Synthesis, Saren's path and the end of life as you know it), or taking the really-bad-you-do-NOT-want-to-do-that-trust-in-the-Space-God overcoming indoctrination (Destroy, what you are there for from the beginning).

It would not just be a "bad dream", it would be the mental battle of the century. :wizard:

[mupp3tz]

ME3: "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 11 mars 2012 - 10:44 .

[Doctor Quinn]

Shepherd killed sovereign. That is the first time that's happened. The protheans borked plan A and left easter eggs for everyone to find. Shepherd is a unique conscious. Perhaps that is necessary to form good reapers.

[BlackDragonBane]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

I cant believe i forgot, in ME1 you walk outside of the citadel to get to Saren, there is no oxygen, they had to put on their helmets.

Shot that down.

In the codex it says breathable air is only a few meters above your head.

From the codex under "Wards": Numerous skyscrapers rise from the superstructure, sealed against vacuum, as breathable atmosphere is only maintained to a height of approximately
7 meters.

Maybe that's only for the Ward arms though.

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Citadel

I belieive it only applies to the Wards and liveable areas of the Citadel, hence why they had to wear thier masks because I belieive they were actually climbing up part of the exterior of the Citadel Tower (I can't fully remember)

[Deltateam Elcor]

Anyone else think that they may be saving the dark energy story for another game instead, it obviously isnt fleshed out enough to be at the end of this, but perhaps beyond it, when they realise what the true intentions were?

[comrade gando]

I bet how shepard is feeling now is how saren felt.

[WvStolzing]

I thought the dream sequences could have been inspired by the Scarecrow episodes in Batman: Arkham Asylum. The 'endings', in turn, could have been inspired by the extended 'mission' where Batman goes insane, sees his parents in the morgue, then the start of the game is replayed with Batman and Joker changing places... Maybe, something similar is going on here?

Yeah, well, this thread does give me some hope.

[MissMaster_2]

Do you guys think that Sheps choices in the dream effected the real world?

[Doctor Quinn]

Shepherd is the vanguard of what they despise most. Free will. If they can't dominate him they may be losing grip on evolution.

[lookingglassmind]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Do you guys think that Sheps choices in the dream effected the real world?

That's the most important question of all, isn't it?

I honestly don't know. I think this is where BioWare needs to jump in with DLC.

[Deltateam Elcor]

Doctor Quinn wrote...

Shepherd is the vanguard of what they despise most. Free will. If they can't dominate him they may be losing grip on evolution.

Well evolution would eventually evolve, i mean you cant come around every 50,000 years expecting the universe not to?

Very stupid for such advanced minds.

[Kitten Tactics]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Anyone else think that they may be saving the dark energy story for another game instead, it obviously isnt fleshed out enough to be at the end of this, but perhaps beyond it, when they realise what the true intentions were?

I don't think they can use it now that it's common knowledge to core fans.

[njfluffy19]

Like others, this hallucination theory gives me some hope. Thank you.

[Deltateam Elcor]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Anyone else think that they may be saving the dark energy story for another game instead, it obviously isnt fleshed out enough to be at the end of this, but perhaps beyond it, when they realise what the true intentions were?

I don't think they can use it now that it's common knowledge to core fans.

I guess, they could always make it more interesting, flesh it out more, but i doubt it.

[korni789]

Can anyone tell me, how shepard can handle walking around open space in the ending?
From what I can recall It killed him/her once....

[Drewskii]

Mizar_Panzar wrote...

I just watched the 'shepard waking from rubble' scene at the end of the credits again:

I'm afraid that I'll have to put an end to everyone's hope. The only reason you get that scene after choosing to destroy the reapers, is because that is the only choice where shepard's dead body can possibly remain:

If you choose to control the reapers, shepard turns into a husk.

If you choose the hybrid path, shepard turns into space dust.

If you choose to destroy reapers, shepard's dead body falls back to earth and is eventually discovered and tagged and perhaps people will build a shrine for him......

Nevertheless, no matter how bad the endings seems to be, and how many plotholes and nosencial it is, it is indeed, the ending that bioware has intended, Shepard died :*(

Makes even less sense. So you're telling me Shepard fell back to Earth and somehow lived (because in the Shepard lives ending you can hear him gasping for breath)? Sheps a tough cookie but

[noobcannon]

Mizar_Panzar wrote...

I just watched the 'shepard waking from rubble' scene at the end of the credits again:

I'm afraid that I'll have to put an end to everyone's hope. The only reason you get that scene after choosing to destroy the reapers, is because that is the only choice where shepard's dead body can possibly remain:

If you choose to control the reapers, shepard turns into a husk.

If you choose the hybrid path, shepard turns into space dust.

If you choose to destroy reapers, shepard's dead body falls back to earth and is eventually discovered and tagged and perhaps people will build a shrine for him......

Nevertheless, no matter how bad the endings seems to be, and how many plotholes and nosencial it is, it is indeed, the ending that bioware has intended, Shepard died :*(

did you read any of the points people have made on this thread? just saying, you do not offer any counter-argument, just "nope didn't happen"

[Militarized]

You know... the kid not being real fits with choosing Shepards psych profile in the very begining.

The pieces are falling together my friends.

*EDIT* Can anyone go back through the video and blow up an image of the kid? When you intially meet him he is not fully a child... theres like a vapor/image behind him, I wonder if it looks like Harbinger. 

Modifié par Militarized, 11 mars 2012 - 10:52 .

[BlackDragonBane]

korni789 wrote...

Can anyone tell me, how shepard can handle walking around open space in the ending?
From what I can recall It killed him/her once....

That's one of the details behind the hallucination/indoctrination theory. Shepard is standing outside of the Citadel without needing to breathe.

[Berkilak]

lookingglassmind wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Do you guys think that Sheps choices in the dream effected the real world?

That's the most important question of all, isn't it?

I honestly don't know. I think this is where BioWare needs to jump in with DLC.

That would be the only justifiable way that this indoctrination theory would fly with me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a dream continuing his other dreams. But if there needs to be some sort of battle against the Reapers, pitting Shepard's will against theirs so that they can change something in the real world and make that last bit matter, so be it.

That being said... Shepard lost.

[lookingglassmind]

Berkilak wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Do you guys think that Sheps choices in the dream effected the real world?

That's the most important question of all, isn't it?

I honestly don't know. I think this is where BioWare needs to jump in with DLC.

That would be the only justifiable way that this indoctrination theory would fly with me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a dream continuing his other dreams. But if there needs to be some sort of battle against the Reapers, pitting Shepard's will against theirs so that they can change something in the real world and make that last bit matter, so be it.

That being said... Shepard lost.

Yup. BioWare never lied about that. They've said from the earliest moments of the game in development that ME3 would be the end of Commander Shepard's story. But can his/her actions open up a new reality for ME4?

I say hell yes!