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#26751
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nyrocron wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

This theory has so many holes in it is laughable. No offence, but you would have to be a fairly bad writer, with no concept of game mechanics and story arch for this to even remotely make sense. Not saying the ending was perfect, but this is like papering over the Battlestar Galactica references with gimmicks from Eternal Sunshine of a spotless mind and Inception.


Thank you for your feedback! What parts of the Indoctrination theory did you like? :)

Thanks for making me laugh :D


Oh that was good.  Same as Nyrocron, thanks for the laughs.

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Falloutwarfare wrote...

no no no i just watched the docking thing and ithe crucible comes from the opposite side then magicaly changes what freeking angle its at what the hell?


I'm not sure what you mean sorry. In the video it seems to come from the back then connect to the back of the citadel.

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Sire Styx wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

http://www.xbox360ac...ad.php?t=361773

just go down the page till u see it thanx


Ok I think I see what you mean.

i43.tinypic.com/344z4pf.png

Yeah, if the crucible comes through the arms then why is it behind....

Edit:
Hmm, I'm watching a video and I'm not sure now.

Edit2:
Ah, it enters from behind. The back bit opens up.

www.youtube.com/watch



yep now i notice the ring which is realy hard to see but it does switch angle or is that just me?

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Any news for the IT or future DLC?

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Actually yes,sorry if this was posted lost a lot of posts in this thread lately,it goes really fast but I can also provide a twitter to a fan reply confirming they are working on content http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1048196

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FrozenDreamfall wrote...

Actually yes,sorry if this was posted lost a lot of posts in this thread lately,it goes really fast but I can also provide a twitter to a fan reply confirming they are working on content http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1048196


I don't know if that definitely shows they are. The only thing I can see is: “hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help
answer the questions, providing more clarity to those seeking further
closure to their journey. You’ll hear more about this in April."
Which is actually quite vague. It seems to be the person who wrote the article is saying that the ending will be changed.

I'm sorry if I've misread/not noticed something though? :)

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"Struggle if you wish... your mind will be mine" -Harbinger (Arrival)

I wonder why this clue not represented in the first post (even on Theorycrafting HUB or GoogleDocs)?

Found this here: http://social.biowar...5/index/9882211
Video: (5:48 - 5:54)

P.S. Sorry for my English.

Modifié par AlexKavern, 31 mars 2012 - 10:39 .


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[quote]tobito113 wrote...

Any news for the IT or future DLC? [/quote]

You may or may not be interested in this but I posted a few pictures showing trees that were there before and after being hit by Harbringers beam
[quote]bigstig wrote...


There is still plenty evidence out there but this isn't sadly isn't one of them. I do have a picture but it was taken from an iPhone 3G so not the best quality.

Also when you do the run to the Conduit your crew mates stay at the top of the hill and do not follow you.[/quote]

False, if you look behind you after being hit with Harby's beam, you trees that were not there before.

Please forgive the rather crappy pictures, was using my iPhone camera.
Picture 1(uploaded on twitter for speed) 
https://twitter.com/...8543106/photo/1 
Picture 2
(uploaded on twitter for speed) 
https://twitter.com/...4108544/photo/1 
Picture 2 (uploaded on twitter for speed) 
https://twitter.com/...5488768/photo/1 

After picture: 
https://twitter.com/...8320896/photo/1 

It looks like the same type of trees and bushes to me.  I still believe in the IT but at least for me the "dream trees" appearing after being hit evidence is inconclusive.

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Modifié par bigstig, 31 mars 2012 - 10:39 .


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Falloutwarfare wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

http://www.xbox360ac...ad.php?t=361773

just go down the page till u see it thanx


Ok I think I see what you mean.

i43.tinypic.com/344z4pf.png

Yeah, if the crucible comes through the arms then why is it behind....

Edit:
Hmm, I'm watching a video and I'm not sure now.

Edit2:
Ah, it enters from behind. The back bit opens up.

www.youtube.com/watch



yep now i notice the ring which is realy hard to see but it does switch angle or is that just me?


No, there's no switching angles, Fallout. Both ends of the Citadel close, a seperate set of covering seals the back. The Crucible comes in from the back of the Citadel directly to the bottom of the tower. It looks weird, but everything is how it should be in that regard.

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Edit: Lol yeah, I misread your post bigstig, sorry!

And AlexKavern,

AlexKavern wrote...

"Struggle if you wish... your mind will be mine" -Harbinger (Arrival)

I wonder why this clue not represented in the first post (even on Theorycrafting HUB or GoogleDocs)?

Found this here: http://social.biowar...5/index/9882211
Video: (5:48 - 5:54)

P.S. Sorry for my English.


I don't know if that exact quote has been mentioned before, but we've (well, not me because I wasn't here then) discussed how Harbinger has a proper thing for Shepard. Harbinger keeps saying to the collectors to keep Shep's body if possible and other things. I think it's pretty safe to assume Harbinger wants Shepard's body, possibly to use as an indoctrinated puppet. The mind quote you posted does give a bit evidence for indoctrination like.

Modifié par Sire Styx, 31 mars 2012 - 10:48 .


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Falloutwarfare wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

http://www.xbox360ac...ad.php?t=361773

just go down the page till u see it thanx


Ok I think I see what you mean.

i43.tinypic.com/344z4pf.png

Yeah, if the crucible comes through the arms then why is it behind....

Edit:
Hmm, I'm watching a video and I'm not sure now.

Edit2:
Ah, it enters from behind. The back bit opens up.

www.youtube.com/watch



yep now i notice the ring which is realy hard to see but it does switch angle or is that just me?

Just you. When the station's closed, the Presidium ring is a bit deeper down the wards' lenght so that the pieces that seal the back door can connect. The Crucible always approaches and connects from behind, to the Presidium ring.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 31 mars 2012 - 10:47 .


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6-7 days until Bioware's announcement. -excited-

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AlexKavern wrote...

"Struggle if you wish... your mind will be mine" -Harbinger (Arrival)

I wonder why this clue not represented in the first post (even on Theorycrafting HUB or GoogleDocs)?

Found this here: http://social.biowar...5/index/9882211
Video: (5:48 - 5:54)

P.S. Sorry for my English.


The front page gets update only so often - but yes, that is parts of the pieces of coincidental evidence that support IT (we discussed it a couple of pages ago, if you like to get into that).

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I see it now pirate i was thinking in a sleep deprived state now i leave for tgs podcast and then sleep without creepy shadows or ded earth child...... I hope :o

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RorickHuon wrote...

6-7 days until Bioware's announcement. -excited-


I don't know whether to get my hopes up or not.

"We at bioware would like to announce new DLC-"
*Fans cheer*
"Yes, new DLC for multiplayer-"
*Fans boo*
"And also new ending DLC-"
*Fans cheer*
"Which adds yellow, orange and purple endings"

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2 Sire Styx:
Just his body? Maybe, but they can kill him after last wave and bring it to Harbringer himself after arrival. But they don't...
2 schneeland:
Thanks, I'am try to find that discussion))

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RorickHuon wrote...

6-7 days until Bioware's announcement. -excited-


They clearly stated they have an announcement? :o

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a bit off topic.

i just watched the youtube video pasted here. did i miss something? or is youtube also protesting the mass effect endings? cause the commercial is fine, but the actual video has either a red, blue or green filter enabled.

has anyone else noticed that or do i need a new graphics card?

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FrozenDreamfall wrote...

Actually yes,sorry if this was posted lost a lot of posts in this thread lately,it goes really fast but I can also provide a twitter to a fan reply confirming they are working on content http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1048196


Thats a really bad headline, It makes it sound like bioware is changing the ending fully but thats not what they said. They have been very vauge on their answers so far only saying we will hear more in April.

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AlexKavern wrote...

2 Sire Styx:
Just his body? Maybe, but they can kill him after last wave and bring it to Harbringer himself after arrival. But they don't...
2 schneeland:
Thanks, I'am try to find that discussion))


I meant that the only quote I could remember was Harbinger wanting the body in the collector base, probably because Shepard would have to be killed to be stopped. But yeah, he gets knocked out in arrival, and therefore not killed, so that's perfect for indoctrination.
I read somewhere in this topic, I think, that indoctrination works faster/better when the subject is unable to resist e.g. when unconscious.

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njfluffy19 wrote...
They clearly stated they have an announcement? :o


Actually, they only stated that they will be around at PAX - maybe they feel like facing some shouting and insults ;)

More seriously:
They said there will be an announcement in April and they stated that major developers will be at PAX. So if you add two and two together, the probability for something is quite high -  not necessarily ending related. But if I were them, I'd bring heavy armour, if it was not ;)

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Hello, everyone!

I represent a website created by the original contributors of the Indoctrination Theory (Byne, lookingglassmind,
BlackDragonBane) on the BSN. Called Theorycrafting HUB, it is a site purely dedicated to theory and philosophy in gaming and other story-telling mediums.

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We created the website in order to act as a more intellectual, leisurely, slow-paced mirror to the BSN -- we saw that many quality posts and threads were being buried due to the heavy traffic load of the BSN.

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Modifié par lookingglassmind, 31 mars 2012 - 11:04 .


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sup.. first post in a loooong time but just wanted to say i support the IT.

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Falloutwarfare wrote...

I see it now pirate i was thinking in a sleep deprived state now i leave for tgs podcast and then sleep without creepy shadows or ded earth child...... I hope :o


lol. good rest, then.

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bigstig wrote...

It looks like the same type of trees and bushes to me.  I still believe in the IT but at least for me the "dream trees" appearing after being hit evidence is inconclusive.


I've always thought that using "the trees" as *AHEM* "Evidence" was a flimsy case. I don't even acknowledge it as a potential indicator.