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[Dendio1]

Holding the line....starting to weaken..why would bioware makes us wait a month for the ending

Must resist....

[Jadebaby]

Martukis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Quahtli wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Turbotanden wrote...

2 different things. Adrenalin speeds up indoctrination process. Also, nanites can abuse the spread of adrenalin to move throughout the body to speed up huskification.

Miranda: Some refugees are turned into husks. Some are indoctrinated and shipped to the Illusive man.

Though this is true, the last stage of indoctrination is usually huskification.

Adrenaline would have no baring on Indoctrination.

saren didn't huskificate.

Then what did you fight at the end of ME1?

 The codex and cerberus logs describe two extremes of indoctrination - a relatively quick method, that, while overpowering and effect, leaves little more than a mindless drone capable of simple tasks (a husk) which deteriorates quickly, and a slow, progressive indoctrination. This slower process allows the victim to maintain much more of their higher brain functions and can even be convincingly aware and active - thus incidents like the woman from Virmire, only being realized as indoc'd years later. This also causes a slower deterioration, which can be mitigated with implants and surgery. TIM is an extreme example of this latter part, as he was exposed to reaper tech during the first contact war, whereas the husks climbing down from dragon's teeth are an extreme of the quick form (which is confirmed to be all the quicker in living victims if adrenaline and such are flowing). From what I can tell, Saren, at the end of ME1, if he kills himself, is Sovereign assuming direct control of the massive network of implants and nanides in Saren's body.

Went to sleep, and yes. Pretty much this.

Those implants were def reaper tech so yes he did huskify. It was just a bit different because they were special implants which Sovereign needed to install to keep Sarens brain aware and think he was still in control of himself. Sovereign needed Saren to be a leader, not a mindless husk.

Although this line of thought is completely retconned once we discover Marauder Shields.. he was a badass!

[Cucobr]

Kuraiken wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

The Problem with IT is, it pretty much bends everything to fit its needs. There's a lack of a satisfying ending,

I stopped read your text there.

IT isn't a ending, never was.

The Reapers still out there... the crucible still out there..

So Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 didn't have an ending either?

Stopped there again

Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, HAD their ending ... but Mass Effect 2 was not the final game of the series ... was not the final game with Commander Shepard.

Mass Effect 3 is.

If BioWare had told that there will be a Mass Effect 4, I'll be totally OK with the end of ME3. Shepard woke up -> Continued in ME4.

But no.

Mass Effect 3 is the last. So he has to have a final what embrace everything was created for the series.

Modifié par Cucobr, 01 avril 2012 - 01:50 .

[Sire Styx]

Kuraiken wrote...

We do discuss stuff and weigh up the pros and cons. For example, the dreams: You say it's the conscience of shepard.
That may be true. Infact, in IT it is true. But it's also indoctrination. That's why it works, the indoctrination plays on Shepards conscience and everything.
We have evidence supporting it. Oily shadows and stuff like that. Ghostly voices and what have you.
Not all our evidence is 100% concrete. If it was, we wouldn't have this many pages. After the first page it would be like "So, IT is true then?" "Yeah" the end.

You say we go about this like religion logic or somethin? We're trying to supplement what we know with what we find out and check how valid the parts are. I can't think of any religions that are like that. Infact, we are quite scientific about it, with the 'trolls' popping in without any evidence or anything playing the part of religions.


Edit: (I should also mention that what I type may not necessarily be the view of the overall topic. So if I go 'the sky is green' don't necessarily hold all indoctrination theorists to that)

Modifié par Sire Styx, 01 avril 2012 - 01:53 .

[KneeTheCap]

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

The Problem with IT is, it pretty much bends everything to fit its needs. There's a lack of a satisfying ending,

I stopped read your text there.

IT isn't a ending, never was.

The Reapers still out there... the crucible still out there..

So Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 didn't have an ending either?

Stopped there again

Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, HAD their ending ... but Mass Effect 2 was not the final game of the series ... was not the final game with Commander Shepard.

Mass Effect 3 is.

If BioWare had told that there will be a Mass Effect 4, I'll be totally OK with the end of ME3. Shepard woke up -> Continued in ME4.

But no.

Mass Effect 3 is the last. So he has to have a final what embrace everything was created for the series.

I wouldn't mind at all a Mass Effect 4 with Shepard. Would anyone?

[Cucobr]

Dendio1 wrote...

Holding the line....starting to weaken..why would bioware makes us wait a month for the ending

Must resist....

always

I'll hold the line.

[Reptilian Rob]

ky0dar wrote...

New ending theory.
The whole saga is the dying dream of Richard L Jenkins.

+1

[Cucobr]

KneeTheCap wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

The Problem with IT is, it pretty much bends everything to fit its needs. There's a lack of a satisfying ending,

I stopped read your text there.

IT isn't a ending, never was.

The Reapers still out there... the crucible still out there..

So Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 didn't have an ending either?

Stopped there again

Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, HAD their ending ... but Mass Effect 2 was not the final game of the series ... was not the final game with Commander Shepard.

Mass Effect 3 is.

If BioWare had told that there will be a Mass Effect 4, I'll be totally OK with the end of ME3. Shepard woke up -> Continued in ME4.

But no.

Mass Effect 3 is the last. So he has to have a final what embrace everything was created for the series.

I wouldn't mind at all a Mass Effect 4 with Shepard. Would anyone?

Agree 110%.

There is NOT a SINGLE MOTIVE to stop Mass Effect or stop the history of commander Shepard.

It would be the same if the Nintendo say: "Ok guys, this is the last game of Mario.''

DAFUQ?

[Eshaye]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


 Worked great for Mortal Kombat and a dream I had were Bioware announced a rebooted ME1 where characters from ME2/ME3 all somehow now had a part in the first game.Whcih now allowed for ME1 characters to be killed off early and story elements/missions were completly changed aside from fighting geth/other enemies.

Oh yeah I could get behind that, a remastered ME1/2 with all companions would rock. 

@ post above this one. 

Actually they've stated there would not be Mass Effect titles after ME3, but we would get prequels or shooters/racing games that take place before the ending of ME3. 

But I don't think they counted on ME fans to be so passionate and enamoured of this series. It must go on I say! 

Modifié par Eshaye, 01 avril 2012 - 02:01 .

[Dendio1]

Eshaye wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


 Worked great for Mortal Kombat and a dream I had were Bioware announced a rebooted ME1 where characters from ME2/ME3 all somehow now had a part in the first game.Whcih now allowed for ME1 characters to be killed off early and story elements/missions were completly changed aside from fighting geth/other enemies.

Oh yeah I could get behind that, a remastered ME1/2 with all companions would rock. 

I'd rather they just add to 3. My mass effect 2 still looks and plays great..it doesnt feel like it needs remastering yet

[n00bsauce2010]

KneeTheCap wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

The Problem with IT is, it pretty much bends everything to fit its needs. There's a lack of a satisfying ending,

I stopped read your text there.

IT isn't a ending, never was.

The Reapers still out there... the crucible still out there..

So Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 didn't have an ending either?

Stopped there again

Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, HAD their ending ... but Mass Effect 2 was not the final game of the series ... was not the final game with Commander Shepard.

Mass Effect 3 is.

If BioWare had told that there will be a Mass Effect 4, I'll be totally OK with the end of ME3. Shepard woke up -> Continued in ME4.

But no.

Mass Effect 3 is the last. So he has to have a final what embrace everything was created for the series.

I wouldn't mind at all a Mass Effect 4 with Shepard. Would anyone?

idn.. me3 ending could potentially be an opener for me4.. and in all honestly I'd love it.. but I think it is very unlikely.
I would love love love a mass effect prequel with shepard though..

[TheVolusSuck]

Dendio1 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


 Worked great for Mortal Kombat and a dream I had were Bioware announced a rebooted ME1 where characters from ME2/ME3 all somehow now had a part in the first game.Whcih now allowed for ME1 characters to be killed off early and story elements/missions were completly changed aside from fighting geth/other enemies.

Oh yeah I could get behind that, a remastered ME1/2 with all companions would rock. 

I'd rather they just add to 3. My mass effect 2 still looks and plays great..it doesnt feel like it needs remastering yet

A remastered Mass Effect trilogy on the next generation of consoles wouldnt be a bad thing though. =p

[mauro2222]

Cucobr wrote...

- You are forced to have a gay relationship in the game to make your party stronger. 

Oh no! 10 rivalry points! ..... <_<

[Big Bad]

I think it's good that Shepherd's story is coming to an end. Stretching the story out beyond what the writers/developers intended is almost always a disaster (see: X-Files).

[Eshaye]

ME3 isn't done yet, I was just saying LOST's idea was something I'd love to see at some point. Obviously it wouldn't be soon.

[steve3194]

I saw a video on IT which said that many believe TIM planted some kind of indoctrination device on the normandy.

The guy who made the video also said that he thought that was the reason james hears a hum on the normandy.

I noticed when watching my brother play the cerberus headquarters mission, on one of the recording of the Illusive man talking with Kai leng, Leng asks him if he sould kill shepard and TIM replies "not yet I still haven't given up hope on shepard" or something like that.

I know it's a long shot but if it turned out there was an Indoctrination device aboard the normandy this could be the illusive man wanting to give it a bit longer to work.

As I said, its a long shot. But it just caught my attention

Not sure if it was mentioned before

Thoughts?

Modifié par steve3194, 01 avril 2012 - 02:21 .

[Jadebaby]

Big Bad wrote...

Quahtli wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I really hope there is not something or someone who create and controls the Reapers. The idea that they assembled themselves over the course of millions (billions?) of years just feels more elegant to me.

Also, I was pretty bummed when it was revealed that the Borg had a Queen for similar reasons.

Well they still should have had at least some creator, right? Even if it was just basic software, some basic program or whatever, it would still have been created.
Or is this some sort of,  "Chicken or egg" thing ?

I dunno.  I guess you are probably right that somebody must have created the non-biological parts of them, which over the course of time became the Reapers as we know them now. 

Maybe that's what the catalyst does after the cycle is complete and there are no galactic scale civilizations around.

Big Bad wrote...

I just hope that this person or species is long, long, long, long dead. 

My take on their origin is they created themselves, first the catalyst program, then sacraficed their own organic DNA to become the Reapers.. This is based on the fact that if they knew about the 'technology singularity' from first hand experience then that was what happened to them, and so the only way they could defeat the AI's was to sacrafice themselves into a 'reaper' form...

Whether Indoc is true or not Harby (starchild) could still be telling the truth about there background. Though I agree with what you said here...

Big Bad wrote...

I want the Reaper cycle to be something that they chose to initiate, not something that somebody else thought up and created for them.

That would feel more epic. As it stands it's like they went from menacing evil mythical machines to babysitters.

edit: context.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 01 avril 2012 - 02:08 .

[Cucobr]

mauro2222 wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

- You are forced to have a gay relationship in the game to make your party stronger. 

Oh no! 10 rivalry points! ..... <_<

[2] high five o/

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

steve3194 wrote...

I saw a video on IT which said that many believe TIM planted some kind of indoctrination device on the normandy.

The guy who made the video also said that he thought that was the reason james hears a hum on the normandy.

I noticed when watching my brother play the cerberus headquarters mission, on one of the recording of the Illusive man talking with Kai leng, Leng asks him if he sould kill shepard and IT replies "not yet I still haven't given up hope on shepard" or something like that.

I know it's a long shot but if it turned out there was an Indoctrination device aboard the normandy this could be the illusive man wanting to give it a bit longer to work.

As I said, its a long shot. But it just caught my attention

Not sure if it was mentioned before

Thoughts?

Possible , but I thought it wasn't perfected until ME3.Their first attempt was using red sand which didn't work out to well from the control point.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Eshaye wrote...

ME3 isn't done yet, I was just saying LOST's idea was something I'd love to see at some point. Obviously it wouldn't be soon.

I completly agree , I don't want them to announce ME Remastered/Reboot for the new consoles without seeing about spinoff's , the changed ending to ME3 and ME4.

[Kuraiken]

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

The Problem with IT is, it pretty much bends everything to fit its needs. There's a lack of a satisfying ending,

I stopped read your text there.

IT isn't a ending, never was.

The Reapers still out there... the crucible still out there..

So Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 didn't have an ending either?

Stopped there again

Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, HAD their ending ... but Mass Effect 2 was not the final game of the series ... was not the final game with Commander Shepard.

Mass Effect 3 is.

If BioWare had told that there will be a Mass Effect 4, I'll be totally OK with the end of ME3. Shepard woke up -> Continued in ME4.

But no.

Mass Effect 3 is the last. So he has to have a final what embrace everything was created for the series.

You always stop to early. It's not very clever.
Now you argue that as long as there is room for continuation, it's not an ending. What exactly are we arguing about here? Enlighten me.
Because if you want to talk about endings in general, we may as well consider that there can *never* be an ending, because nothing *ever* ends.
And I'm not inclined to warrent your statements with further replies if you don't bother to read them. Because if you don't bother following the train of argument I make the effort to outline for you, I'm not going to waste my time with it.
Oh, and yes, I kept this as brief as possible without any further explanations of why it's not clever. You wouldn't read them anyway. Attention span. Did you get this far?

Sire Styx wrote...
We do discuss stuff and weigh up the pros and cons. For example, the dreams: You say it's the conscience of shepard.
That may be true. Infact, in IT it is true. But it's also indoctrination. That's why it works, the indoctrination plays on Shepards conscience and everything.
We have evidence supporting it. Oily shadows and stuff like that. Ghostly voices and what have you.
Not all our evidence is 100% concrete. If it was, we wouldn't have this many pages. After the first page it would be like "So, IT is true then?" "Yeah" the end.

You say we go about this like religion logic or somethin? We're trying to supplement what we know with what we find out and check how valid the parts are. I can't think of any religions that are like that. Infact, we are quite scientific about it, with the 'trolls' popping in without any evidence or anything playing the part of religions.


Edit: (I should also mention that what I type may not necessarily be the view of the overall topic. So if I go 'the sky is green' don't necessarily hold all indoctrination theorists to that)

Yes, but you say it's been discussed. Surely you might then have recontextualized the shapes and forms, and concluded that they may be the lost who weigh on shepards conscience, especially the child, right?
If this possibility has been stated - and I'm sure it was somewhere - then how can it be still evidence if it can be made to fit so many shapes and forms?
EDIT: To ensure that this is not misunderstood, with shapes I mean the oily shadows. I simply state that the oily shadows and the voices are part of this process to work with the stress of his dreams. IT goes further in its claim, but just because it can be made more complex, doesn't mean it is. It's just more appealing, because then it would fit.

Well, let's not go further into the religious section. You'll find far too much stuff in the net about how religious people from the 14th century until today made the most ridiculous or clever attempts to use mathematics and science to explain and justify their beliefs. They do it too, but they always have a certain agenda.

I like IT as a theory, but what I see is far too many people who jump it, suddenly say everywhere: "people are too stupid to understand the ending, that's how it is" and never hesitate to consider that so many evidence that they bring to light can be attributed to such a variety of different circumstances, that it's simply not valid evidence. This doesn't mean that's what everyone does, quite the contrary. But those or some of the consequences, and a great deal of this "search" to find evidence is conducted by people who'd just be part of those who found something. So they go over everything and take pieces that can be forced to fit, and do that.
And as long as there is not enough questioning about that sort of evidence, you'll end up with a cluttered and convoluted mess.
The first post is a good example of this. It's cluttered and contains clever ideas as well as things that can be disproven by a braindead drunken mouse.

If you intend to see what I say with a sort of agenda, I think the best one would be that I'm a bit disturbed how this reckless "Yes, I found another piece and it *has* to fit" behaviour makes discourse very difficult, because, as the poster I address above proves so very well, people don't like to read things they don't like to read. So they don't. Try to have a clever argument with someone who is not interested in reading, but only in arguing, and you may as well play fetch with a wall.

Modifié par Kuraiken, 01 avril 2012 - 02:26 .

[Cucobr]

Kuraiken wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

The Problem with IT is, it pretty much bends everything to fit its needs. There's a lack of a satisfying ending,

I stopped read your text there.

IT isn't a ending, never was.

The Reapers still out there... the crucible still out there..

So Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 didn't have an ending either?

Stopped there again

Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, HAD their ending ... but Mass Effect 2 was not the final game of the series ... was not the final game with Commander Shepard.

Mass Effect 3 is.

If BioWare had told that there will be a Mass Effect 4, I'll be totally OK with the end of ME3. Shepard woke up -> Continued in ME4.

But no.

Mass Effect 3 is the last. So he has to have a final what embrace everything was created for the series.

You always stop to early. It's not very clever.
Now you argue that as long as there is room for continuation, it's not an ending. What exactly are we arguing about here? Enlighten me.

Stopped there again

[Jaxitty]

The devs have already said that SHEPARD'S story is over with ME 3, not the universe, hell, before ME3 came out, there was rumors of an ME mmo, though considering Bioware has their has their hands full with TOR...

As for Reapers controlling their creations...Legion and the others talk about this, so does TIM. It's the Reaper SIGNAL that controls and interacts with the nanides, it's also respondible for indoctrination.

[n00bsauce2010]

The irony in all of those quotes.

[n00bsauce2010]

I notice the first one says "yet continue into the next chapter" what does that mean? dlc? me4?