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[CLB17]

JTP117 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

If you read again you will see that I refuted your point. you said that the reapers (insinuating all the reapers) want shepard to never be indoctrinated which is false on all accounts. And the Destroy option is explained in an entirely negative way. It is the only option that the child does not reccomend. It is shepards mind creating a way out of the indoctrination. Like "the kick" in inception

I never said that, I said why would they want to free Shepard of indoctrination by proposing destroy. And it's obvious that its going to be explained in a negative way, you are killing them, they cease to exist, even star child.

And in control they would be controlled by their mortal enemy. I don't quite see how that is a better option for them. If anything, Synthesis is the only one where the reapers truely win, why suggest control in a positive way?

Are you really taknig everything the godchild says at face value. The godchild tells us that he controls the Reapers, as in your enemy, the things that have been trying to kill you and all life in the galaxy since ME1. why should we believe anything it says. The godchild says that you can control the Reapers but you can't it is a trick. It is really teh reapers taking control of you. Notice that it shows the illusive man choosing that option when the brat introduces it, and yet it is colored blue. the same color that paragon desisions have always been. Last i recall TIM was practically the definition of a renegade. Do not trust the godchild, it is a Reaper feeding you lies. Also in the ME3 official strategy guide, instead of listing the 3 options as destroy, control, and sythesis; it says destry, become a reaper, synthesis. Destroying the reapers has always been shepards goal, the other 2 are compramises with the Reapers and Javic says that any Protheons who tried to compromise with the reapers were ultimately detroyed.

Modifié par CLB17, 01 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[Macross]

This might sound stupid... but you got to remember that the beacon and the VI also reacted to the fact that Shepard had the Cipher. It could be possible that the Cipher somehow unintentionally disguised the indoctrination or forced the VI to over ride it's security protocol for someone with the Cipher. Sounds kind of stupid but you've got to look at everything in the equation.

[n00bsauce2010]

Macross wrote...

This might sound stupid... but you got to remember that the beacon and the VI also reacted to the fact that Shepard had the Cipher. It could be possible that the Cipher somehow unintentionally disguised the indoctrination or forced the VI to over ride it's security protocol for someone with the Cipher. Sounds kind of stupid but you've got to look at everything in the equation.

Are we talking about on the asari homeworld or cerberus base? Because he says his defense protocols were hacked and deactivated, therefore he wouldn't be able to do anything if he did detect it (this is on the cerberus base though)

What cipher too? My memory has escaped me. Ive played the game fully twice.. i should be ashamed.

Modifié par n00bsauce2010, 01 avril 2012 - 04:43 .

[Big Bad]

CLB17 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

If you read again you will see that I refuted your point. you said that the reapers (insinuating all the reapers) want shepard to never be indoctrinated which is false on all accounts. And the Destroy option is explained in an entirely negative way. It is the only option that the child does not reccomend. It is shepards mind creating a way out of the indoctrination. Like "the kick" in inception

I never said that, I said why would they want to free Shepard of indoctrination by proposing destroy. And it's obvious that its going to be explained in a negative way, you are killing them, they cease to exist, even star child.

And in control they would be controlled by their mortal enemy. I don't quite see how that is a better option for them. If anything, Synthesis is the only one where the reapers truely win, why suggest control in a positive way?

Are you really taknig everything the godchild says at face value. The godchild tells us that he controls the Reapers, as in your enemy, the things that have been trying to kill you and all life in the galaxy since ME1. why should we believe anything it says. The godchild says that you can control the Reapers but you can't it is a trick. Notice that it shows the illusive man choosing that option when the brat introduces it, and yet it is colored blue. the same color that paragon desisions have always been. Last i recall TIM was practically the definition of a renegade. Do not trust the godchild, it is a Reaper feeding you lies.

Yeah, why the fact that TIM's is the "good" option and Anderson's is the "bad" option doesn't sound alarm bells in everybody's head (admittedly, I didn't even notice this when finishing the game) is beyond me.

Modifié par Big Bad, 01 avril 2012 - 04:43 .

[n00bsauce2010]

Before I introduced myself to the ending fiasco.. the only things I noticed were Anderson being on the citadel at all (made no sense) , along with shepards wierd bleeding when it wasn't present earlier, and of course the color swap for the paragon/renegade choices at the end there, oh. and the god childs bull**** "the reapers are my solution" the entire time I'm thinking.. uhh wtf? we just played through 3 full games with the idea that the reapers were not created.

Now of course we have circumstantial evidence to tie all of that with the IDT which I think is the best explanation for the load of garbage.

[CLB17]

Big Bad wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

If you read again you will see that I refuted your point. you said that the reapers (insinuating all the reapers) want shepard to never be indoctrinated which is false on all accounts. And the Destroy option is explained in an entirely negative way. It is the only option that the child does not reccomend. It is shepards mind creating a way out of the indoctrination. Like "the kick" in inception

I never said that, I said why would they want to free Shepard of indoctrination by proposing destroy. And it's obvious that its going to be explained in a negative way, you are killing them, they cease to exist, even star child.

And in control they would be controlled by their mortal enemy. I don't quite see how that is a better option for them. If anything, Synthesis is the only one where the reapers truely win, why suggest control in a positive way?

Are you really taknig everything the godchild says at face value. The godchild tells us that he controls the Reapers, as in your enemy, the things that have been trying to kill you and all life in the galaxy since ME1. why should we believe anything it says. The godchild says that you can control the Reapers but you can't it is a trick. Notice that it shows the illusive man choosing that option when the brat introduces it, and yet it is colored blue. the same color that paragon desisions have always been. Last i recall TIM was practically the definition of a renegade. Do not trust the godchild, it is a Reaper feeding you lies.

Yeah, why the fact that TIM's is the "good" option and Anderson's is the "bad" option doesn't sound alarm bells in everybody's head (admittedly, I didn't even notice this when finishing the game) is beyond me.

I didn't notice that either on my first playthrough. Hell i chose synthesis on my first playthrough so guess the reapers successfully indoctrinated me. Fantastic!

[Macross]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Macross wrote...

This might sound stupid... but you got to remember that the beacon and the VI also reacted to the fact that Shepard had the Cipher. It could be possible that the Cipher somehow unintentionally disguised the indoctrination or forced the VI to over ride it's security protocol for someone with the Cipher. Sounds kind of stupid but you've got to look at everything in the equation.

Are we talking about on the asari homeworld or cerberus base? Because he says his defense protocols were hacked and deactivated, therefore he wouldn't be able to do anything if he did detect it (this is on the cerberus base though)

What cipher too? My memory has escaped me. Ive played the game fully twice.. i should be ashamed.

I'm talking about the Asari Homeworld and the cipher he got in ME1 from green Asari chick named Shiala. The cipher which allows him to understand the vision from the Prothean beacon.

Basically, what I'm theorising is that the indoctination in Shepard was so little at that point that the VI regonised the Cipher without seeing the indoctrination and figured that Shepard had already interacted wtih Prothean Beacons (and other tech like Vigil) and thus the security protocol may have some how been overridden.

[n00bsauce2010]

Macross wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Macross wrote...

This might sound stupid... but you got to remember that the beacon and the VI also reacted to the fact that Shepard had the Cipher. It could be possible that the Cipher somehow unintentionally disguised the indoctrination or forced the VI to over ride it's security protocol for someone with the Cipher. Sounds kind of stupid but you've got to look at everything in the equation.

Are we talking about on the asari homeworld or cerberus base? Because he says his defense protocols were hacked and deactivated, therefore he wouldn't be able to do anything if he did detect it (this is on the cerberus base though)

What cipher too? My memory has escaped me. Ive played the game fully twice.. i should be ashamed.

I'm talking about the Asari Homeworld and the cipher he got in ME1 from green Asari chick named Shiala. The cipher which allows him to understand the vision from the Prothean beacon.

Basically, what I'm theorising is that the indoctination in Shepard was so little at that point that the VI regonised the Cipher without seeing the indoctrination and figured that Shepard had already interacted wtih Prothean Beacons (and other tech like Vigil) and thus the security protocol may have some how been overridden.

Good explanation, but the beacon itself was different. The other one merely just imprinted a memory while this one contained an actual VI.  Because with Kai Leng being there the entire time (that much we know) he would've simply said "indoctrinated presence detected" before anything else. Also, the other squad members are able to understand the beacon unless of course the cipher effects them too. The only ones who would be able to do it without the cipher are Liara and Javik.

[CLB17]

DuskRose wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I didn't notice that either on my first playthrough. Hell i chose synthesis on my first playthrough so guess the reapers successfully indoctrinated me. Fantastic!

Don't feel too bad, I did too.

lol i don't feel bad, just restarded the mission and chose destroy after i discovered this theory. Also does anyone notice that you cannot delete the the final mission's restart mission save. the delete option is greyed out and i have never seen that in any other video game.

[palacios]

So, the tubes that appear in the breathing scene, where are they from? The last place I see them at the end are in the room that reminds us of The collector's base. They dont appear in the Destroy area, that whole structure seems to be solidified without wires or tubes hanging around.
I dont know if anyone has pointed this out. During the whole scene, you get to see faint details of objects, but what mostly bothers me is the object that appears to have two white stripes. I would like to post the pictures on here, but its been taking forever that I think my browsers times out or something. I would like any insight that you guys have on what these things can be - not that I wouldn't want to go through all 1079 pages of this thread....

[Macross]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Macross wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Macross wrote...

This might sound stupid... but you got to remember that the beacon and the VI also reacted to the fact that Shepard had the Cipher. It could be possible that the Cipher somehow unintentionally disguised the indoctrination or forced the VI to over ride it's security protocol for someone with the Cipher. Sounds kind of stupid but you've got to look at everything in the equation.

Are we talking about on the asari homeworld or cerberus base? Because he says his defense protocols were hacked and deactivated, therefore he wouldn't be able to do anything if he did detect it (this is on the cerberus base though)

What cipher too? My memory has escaped me. Ive played the game fully twice.. i should be ashamed.

I'm talking about the Asari Homeworld and the cipher he got in ME1 from green Asari chick named Shiala. The cipher which allows him to understand the vision from the Prothean beacon.

Basically, what I'm theorising is that the indoctination in Shepard was so little at that point that the VI regonised the Cipher without seeing the indoctrination and figured that Shepard had already interacted wtih Prothean Beacons (and other tech like Vigil) and thus the security protocol may have some how been overridden.

Good explanation, but the beacon itself was different. The other one merely just imprinted a memory while this one contained an actual VI.  Because with Kai Leng being there the entire time (that much we know) he would've simply said "indoctrinated presence detected" before anything else. Also, the other squad members are able to understand the beacon unless of course the cipher effects them too. The only ones who would be able to do it without the cipher are Liara and Javik.

Nah, I get that. It's basically the same type of program as Vigil -has it's own translator progam and stuff- but in the scene just before that Shepard's able to regonise there was a Beacon there (just like how he was able to understand all the code stuff/signals in From Ashes) thanks to the Cipher and previouse use of other beacons.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the fact that he has the Cipher in his head and is thus 'touched' by the protheans could have messed up the VI's intelligence or indoc. regonition system and masked the early stages of Shepard Indoctrination. Because, well, I'd hazzard a guess and say that the cipher wasn't really used much in the Prothean cycle as they would have no real need for it and thus the affect is has on a VI might have been an unknown.

Though, again, that's just a really basic idea.

[n00bsauce2010]

CLB17 wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I didn't notice that either on my first playthrough. Hell i chose synthesis on my first playthrough so guess the reapers successfully indoctrinated me. Fantastic!

Don't feel too bad, I did too.

lol i don't feel bad, just restarded the mission and chose destroy after i discovered this theory. Also does anyone notice that you cannot delete the the final mission's restart mission save. the delete option is greyed out and i have never seen that in any other video game.

Hmm.. interesting. is it like that for ME1 and ME2?

[Leonia]

Macross wrote...

Nah, I get that. It's basically the same type of program as Vigil -has it's own translator progam and stuff- but in the scene just before that Shepard's able to regonise there was a Beacon there (just like how he was able to understand all the code stuff/signals in From Ashes) thanks to the Cipher and previouse use of other beacons.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the fact that he has the Cipher in his head and is thus 'touched' by the protheans could have messed up the VI's intelligence or indoc. regonition system and masked the early stages of Shepard Indoctrination. Because, well, I'd hazzard a guess and say that the cipher wasn't really used much in the Prothean cycle as they would have no real need for it and thus the affect is has on a VI might have been an unknown.

Though, again, that's just a really basic idea.

To counter that.. Saren had the Cipher and Vigil knew he was indoctrinated. 

[n00bsauce2010]

Macross wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Macross wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Macross wrote...

This might sound stupid... but you got to remember that the beacon and the VI also reacted to the fact that Shepard had the Cipher. It could be possible that the Cipher somehow unintentionally disguised the indoctrination or forced the VI to over ride it's security protocol for someone with the Cipher. Sounds kind of stupid but you've got to look at everything in the equation.

Are we talking about on the asari homeworld or cerberus base? Because he says his defense protocols were hacked and deactivated, therefore he wouldn't be able to do anything if he did detect it (this is on the cerberus base though)

What cipher too? My memory has escaped me. Ive played the game fully twice.. i should be ashamed.

I'm talking about the Asari Homeworld and the cipher he got in ME1 from green Asari chick named Shiala. The cipher which allows him to understand the vision from the Prothean beacon.

Basically, what I'm theorising is that the indoctination in Shepard was so little at that point that the VI regonised the Cipher without seeing the indoctrination and figured that Shepard had already interacted wtih Prothean Beacons (and other tech like Vigil) and thus the security protocol may have some how been overridden.

Good explanation, but the beacon itself was different. The other one merely just imprinted a memory while this one contained an actual VI.  Because with Kai Leng being there the entire time (that much we know) he would've simply said "indoctrinated presence detected" before anything else. Also, the other squad members are able to understand the beacon unless of course the cipher effects them too. The only ones who would be able to do it without the cipher are Liara and Javik.

Nah, I get that. It's basically the same type of program as Vigil -has it's own translator progam and stuff- but in the scene just before that Shepard's able to regonise there was a Beacon there (just like how he was able to understand all the code stuff/signals in From Ashes) thanks to the Cipher and previouse use of other beacons.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the fact that he has the Cipher in his head and is thus 'touched' by the protheans could have messed up the VI's intelligence or indoc. regonition system and masked the early stages of Shepard Indoctrination. Because, well, I'd hazzard a guess and say that the cipher wasn't really used much in the Prothean cycle as they would have no real need for it and thus the affect is has on a VI might have been an unknown.

Though, again, that's just a really basic idea.

certainly a possibility nontheless. That whole scene there with the prothean VI is odd. Because we know Kai leng is there.. it doesn't immediatley say indoctrinated presence detected. So maybe it might take a bit, or the cipher masks it like you say. Also.. the VI could very well be talking to shepard..(we don't really know for sure) but we do assume it is kai leng. It also makes me think that because of Kai Leng's reaper tech upgrades, the taint can be detected much easier.. but then again.. it doesn't explain why he doesn't spew out his defense protocol stuff.

I don't know what to think anymore. I've been indoctrinated

ok.. so someone said saren had the cipher and was detected by vigil

Modifié par n00bsauce2010, 01 avril 2012 - 05:06 .

[CLB17]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I didn't notice that either on my first playthrough. Hell i chose synthesis on my first playthrough so guess the reapers successfully indoctrinated me. Fantastic!

Don't feel too bad, I did too.

lol i don't feel bad, just restarded the mission and chose destroy after i discovered this theory. Also does anyone notice that you cannot delete the the final mission's restart mission save. the delete option is greyed out and i have never seen that in any other video game.

Hmm.. interesting. is it like that for ME1 and ME2?

In ME1 there are no restart mission saves. only autosaves that are always overwritten by the current autosave and manuel saves. ME2 has the restrat mission saves but i just checked my 100% completed ME2 playthrough and the last restart mission save is for the last mission i did in that game, Arrival. So no, it does not happen in teh other games.

[3Minotaur3]

SCJ90 wrote...

savagejuicebox wrote...

3Minotaur3 wrote...

Sorry, but I don't have the courage to read 1000 pages...

IMHO...

It is not indoctination, simply because the Protean VI could detect those afflicted by it. It accept to speak with Shepard, but detected Kai Lang as indoctrinated on Thessia. So Shep is 'clean' at least to that point in the story. He has to be indoctrinated really quickly, because after Thessia, it's the Cerberus main Base, then the final battle...
Remember the derelict Reaper in ME2? Even broken and inactive, it managed to indoctrinated the scientists studying it. That's how the Illusive Man/Kei Lang got indoctrinated: They made the mistake of bringing the broken 'Human Reaper' in his home Base. I don't know how many time passes between the salvage of the 'Human Reaper' and the battle for the Cerberus Base, but I can only assume that the Illusive Man indoctrination was a subtle and slow process calculated in months...

Hallucination or near-death hallucination seems more likely. But not as interesting, because in fact, the 3 last choices where in fact 1: nothing we saw in the end really happens.
Also, where the hallucination starts and ends? Starts probably after being hit by the red beam (badly hurt and magically lost it's full 'red dragon' armor) and end after the Relays exploded.
But where the Normandy illogic retreat fit in all this? Reaction to what really happens or a 'last wish' from an hallucinating Shepard who hopes everyone he knew managed to survives?...

In the end, I think it's pure bad and illogic storytelling, no more, no less... Due to the leak of the original ending before the release of the game and the lack of creativity and time to work for another one...

Javik talks about reaper "sleeper agents" they had many protheans that were indoctrinated and overthrew seats of goverment. Also it cant detect people that havent given in to the indoctrination yet, that makes the ending that point in the indoctrination process.

find another reason why IT doesnt work....

Hmm that is actually a very good point, but maybe the VI was only used in most top secret projects like the conduit and the beacons and since the harvesting went on for decades and tech inproves so 

Geez... 70 pages since my last post here

@SCJ90
We don't know enough about the Protheans, but my guess is the VIs where created after they failed their Crucible and realized some of them became indoctrinated... They then probably switch into survival mode, sabotage the Citadel Keepers and warning others of the Reaper cycles, adding indoctrination detection as a safeguard... 

@savagejuicebox
I don't pretend knowing everything, or being able to read Bioware Writers minds. But I think they put that scene so close to the end to confirm us what we suspect all along: that TIM and is top leutenants (KL in this case) are indeed indoctrinated, and Shepard and his/her squadmates are not. After all, if Shepard is indoctrinated, Liara (who you must have as a squadmate) should be too. She spend as much time (if not more) around Reapers/Protheans artefacts. Or Garrus, or Tali who was with you since the 1st ME...

BTW, there are no proof that the VI can only detect Reaper Tech inside someone. It may be able to scan for physical and psychological traces of indoctrination...
The VI may be corrupted over time, but not enough to be unable to function (he acknowledged the Reaper invasion of Thessia) and detect indoctrinated KL. It was hacked when inside the TIM main base (probably with Reaper indoctrination help). That's probably why the Reapers where aware that Shepard was so close of finding what the Catalyst is, forcing them to move all their forces to Earth and move the Citadel there...
 
That move from the Reapers makes me think that they didn't know what the Catalyst was until now. Otherwise, the logic 1st move would have been to secure the Citadel, then starts the harvesting. They treated it as a Relay no longer functionning and strike at Earth first. Cycles before that, they probably harvested the Citadel 1st because it was their entrypoint, and was the seat of Galactic Governments (as a bonus)...

So no, indoctrination is unlikely, in my mind, unless EA/Bioware clarify a lot of thing. How the Reaper indoctrinate (outside staying weeks inside a reaper, like Saren or the salvage Cerberus crew) being the major plot hole to fill...

[Macross]

leonia42 wrote...

Macross wrote...

Nah, I get that. It's basically the same type of program as Vigil -has it's own translator progam and stuff- but in the scene just before that Shepard's able to regonise there was a Beacon there (just like how he was able to understand all the code stuff/signals in From Ashes) thanks to the Cipher and previouse use of other beacons.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the fact that he has the Cipher in his head and is thus 'touched' by the protheans could have messed up the VI's intelligence or indoc. regonition system and masked the early stages of Shepard Indoctrination. Because, well, I'd hazzard a guess and say that the cipher wasn't really used much in the Prothean cycle as they would have no real need for it and thus the affect is has on a VI might have been an unknown.

Though, again, that's just a really basic idea.

To counter that.. Saren had the Cipher and Vigil knew he was indoctrinated. 

True, but Saren wasn't in the early stages. By that point he had reaper tech in him to the point where his Skeleton was reaper tech. So thats probably a bit easier to detect.

Modifié par Macross, 01 avril 2012 - 05:08 .

[ULS 980]

mauro2222 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

The problem with this theory is that it has as much points to support it as to go against it.

Really? I've yet to see a post actually convince me of that yet.

Well... the prothean VI its a clear counter point.
And the Reapers wanting to let Shepard go free of indoctrination.

That is 2, and while they are good points they have both beem put to bed long ago. Also, Harbinger has said on several occasions that he desperately wants to indoctrinate Shepard. That is the only reason harbinger ordered that shepard NOT be killed but rather taken alive

I didn't say killed... you actually reinforce my point. If Harbinger wants so desperatly indoctrinate Shepard... why allow him to "destroy" the reapers and free him of it, why actually explain him? and better yet, why destroy doesn't require more war assets to be unlocked?

I don't think it's a matter of the Reapers letting Shepard destroy the Reapers. If the Reapers could prevent Shepard from resisting indoctrination entirely without turning him into a mindless husk, I'm sure they'd do that. But they can't.
We know from at least Saren and Matriarch Benezia (and possibly TIM) that you can resist indoctrination, even if just temporarily.

The choice to not do what the Reapers want is ALWAYS there (at least in cases like TIM, Saren, and Shepard as opposed to things such as husks and Collectors and whatnot).

In this case, not doing what the Reapers want is "destroying" them by virtue of how the hallucination was constructed. The Reapers can't truly take away a choice that disobeys them unless they have complete and utter control over the victim (which, in Shepard's case, they do not). They can just attempt to phrase it in such a way that makes it seem like a poor choice and that their way is better.

Modifié par ULS 980, 01 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[Leonia]

We really don't know enough about the Prothean VIs and the full extent of their ability to detect Indoctrination to base much on that information. We can infer a lot and make assumptions based on what we've seen but I would caution anyone trying to read too much into it.

[CLB17]

[quote]3Minotaur3 wrote...

[quote]SCJ90 wrote...

[quote]savagejuicebox wrote...

[quote]3Minotaur3 wrote...

Sorry, but I don't have the courage to read 1000 pages...

IMHO...

It is not indoctination, simply because the Protean VI could detect those afflicted by it. It accept to speak with Shepard, but detected Kai Lang as indoctrinated on Thessia. So Shep is 'clean' at least to that point in the story. He has to be indoctrinated really quickly, because after Thessia, it's the Cerberus main Base, then the final battle...
Remember the derelict Reaper in ME2? Even broken and inactive, it managed to indoctrinated the scientists studying it. That's how the Illusive Man/Kei Lang got indoctrinated: They made the mistake of bringing the broken 'Human Reaper' in his home Base. I don't know how many time passes between the salvage of the 'Human Reaper' and the battle for the Cerberus Base, but I can only assume that the Illusive Man indoctrination was a subtle and slow process calculated in months...

Hallucination or near-death hallucination seems more likely. But not as interesting, because in fact, the 3 last choices where in fact 1: nothing we saw in the end really happens.
Also, where the hallucination starts and ends? Starts probably after being hit by the red beam (badly hurt and magically lost it's full 'red dragon' armor) and end after the Relays exploded.
But where the Normandy illogic retreat fit in all this? Reaction to what really happens or a 'last wish' from an hallucinating Shepard who hopes everyone he knew managed to survives?...

In the end, I think it's pure bad and illogic storytelling, no more, no less... Due to the leak of the original ending before the release of the game and the lack of creativity and time to work for another one...
[/quote]

Javik talks about reaper "sleeper agents" they had many protheans that were indoctrinated and overthrew seats of goverment. Also it cant detect people that havent given in to the indoctrination yet, that makes the ending that point in the indoctrination process.

find another reason why IT doesnt work....

[/quote]

Hmm that is actually a very good point, but maybe the VI was only used in most top secret projects like the conduit and the beacons and since the harvesting went on for decades and tech inproves so 

[/quote]

I don't think the Protheon VI's can detect The pschological effects of indoctrination. Just the physical traits of indoctrination like implants. If the VI's could read someone's mind and see if they were indoctrinated or not I don't think the Protheon Empire would've fallen to sleeper agents like javic said. This would explain why the VI on Thessia could detect Kai Leng but not Shepard. Also Shepard isn't fully indictrinated at that point, just in the process of it.

[Bawbtheepic]

Anything new? (Been gone for a week$

[Macross]

leonia42 wrote...

We really don't know enough about the Prothean VIs and the full extent of their ability to detect Indoctrination to base much on that information. We can infer a lot and make assumptions based on what we've seen but I would caution anyone trying to read too much into it.

I agree, but reading to much into stuff is a lot of fun.

Anyway, something I noticed on my last run through and has been bugging me since I finished it like two hours ago.

This image here is from the breathing scene (note, might be a bit hard to see- it's slightly to dark but was much cleared ingame)

desmond.imageshack.us/Himg832/scaled.php
-Sorry not sure how to imbed.

Does anyone know what the thing I circled is? Becasue to me it looks like a Rachni Husk.