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[Jaxitty]

Liara wouldn't have understood the beacon/vi either, because when you're on Javik's discovery mission, you gather the intel from the different housing pods, and each time Liara asks if you understood what was on it, and she admits she couldn't. The VI on Thesia likely was advanced enough (since it could extrapolate that Reapers were nearby that this cycle had reached it's terminus) there's a good chance that it knew the root language of the Asari (considering the Protheans practically bioengineered them ) Either way, I think it's just the devs assuming a small suspension of disbelief and not getting utterly anal when it comes to languages.

I personally don't think that Shep was indoctrinated (if he was at all) to any great degree by that point. As for why it detected Lang a bit later? We see him walk into the temple from the outside, that's what it detects an indoctrinated presence.

AFTER Thessia though..AFTER Shep is handed one of s/his worst defeats in the game is when s/his will starts to waver, where depression and a sense of hopelessness start to creep in and where agents for indoctrination have a chance of worming their way into s/his psyche.

[ULS 980]

Macross wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

We really don't know enough about the Prothean VIs and the full extent of their ability to detect Indoctrination to base much on that information. We can infer a lot and make assumptions based on what we've seen but I would caution anyone trying to read too much into it.

I agree, but reading to much into stuff is a lot of fun.

Anyway, something I noticed on my last run through and has been bugging me since I finished it like two hours ago.

This image here is from the breathing scene (note, might be a bit hard to see- it's slightly to dark but was much cleared ingame)

desmond.imageshack.us/Himg832/scaled.php
-Sorry not sure how to imbed.

Does anyone know what the thing I circled is? Becasue to me it looks like a Rachni Husk.

Looks like rubble to me.

[CLB17]

Bawbtheepic wrote...

Anything new? (Been gone for a week$

Well as i posted above, you can't delete the final mission's restart mission save. I found this odd because i've never seen a save you couldn't delete. 

[Macross]

ULS 980 wrote...

Macross wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

We really don't know enough about the Prothean VIs and the full extent of their ability to detect Indoctrination to base much on that information. We can infer a lot and make assumptions based on what we've seen but I would caution anyone trying to read too much into it.

I agree, but reading to much into stuff is a lot of fun.

Anyway, something I noticed on my last run through and has been bugging me since I finished it like two hours ago.

This image here is from the breathing scene (note, might be a bit hard to see- it's slightly to dark but was much cleared ingame)

desmond.imageshack.us/Himg832/scaled.php
-Sorry not sure how to imbed.

Does anyone know what the thing I circled is? Becasue to me it looks like a Rachni Husk.

Looks like rubble to me.

Probably is and i'm just seeing random stuff. But there's a really odd colouring to it which kind of caught my attention.

Modifié par Macross, 01 avril 2012 - 05:27 .

[Macross]

CLB17 wrote...

Bawbtheepic wrote...

Anything new? (Been gone for a week$

Well as i posted above, you can't delete the final mission's restart mission save. I found this odd because i've never seen a save you couldn't delete. 

I'm pretty sure you can't delete any of the restart mission saves. They just get replaced when you do a new mission.

[CLB17]

Macross wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

Bawbtheepic wrote...

Anything new? (Been gone for a week$

Well as i posted above, you can't delete the final mission's restart mission save. I found this odd because i've never seen a save you couldn't delete. 

I'm pretty sure you can't delete any of the restart mission saves. They just get replaced when you do a new mission.

Oh...well yes. I believe you are correct sir.

[JTP117]

CLB17 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

If you read again you will see that I refuted your point. you said that the reapers (insinuating all the reapers) want shepard to never be indoctrinated which is false on all accounts. And the Destroy option is explained in an entirely negative way. It is the only option that the child does not reccomend. It is shepards mind creating a way out of the indoctrination. Like "the kick" in inception

I never said that, I said why would they want to free Shepard of indoctrination by proposing destroy. And it's obvious that its going to be explained in a negative way, you are killing them, they cease to exist, even star child.

And in control they would be controlled by their mortal enemy. I don't quite see how that is a better option for them. If anything, Synthesis is the only one where the reapers truely win, why suggest control in a positive way?

Are you really taknig everything the godchild says at face value. The godchild tells us that he controls the Reapers, as in your enemy, the things that have been trying to kill you and all life in the galaxy since ME1. why should we believe anything it says. The godchild says that you can control the Reapers but you can't it is a trick. It is really teh reapers taking control of you. Notice that it shows the illusive man choosing that option when the brat introduces it, and yet it is colored blue. the same color that paragon desisions have always been. Last i recall TIM was practically the definition of a renegade. Do not trust the godchild, it is a Reaper feeding you lies. Also in the ME3 official strategy guide, instead of listing the 3 options as destroy, control, and sythesis; it says destry, become a reaper, synthesis. Destroying the reapers has always been shepards goal, the other 2 are compramises with the Reapers and Javic says that any Protheons who tried to compromise with the reapers were ultimately detroyed.

I realize that. I am fully aware of how IT works, I've been here quite awhile lol. As for this convo here, I am simply using basic logic to show him that even IF the choices were that simple his counter point would still be nullified

[Big Bad]

@Macross - I definitely see the coloration that you're talking about, but I really can't tell what it might be.

Modifié par Big Bad, 01 avril 2012 - 05:51 .

[ULS 980]

Big Bad wrote...

@ULS980 - I definitely see the coloration that you're talking about, but I really can't tell what it might be.

I think you mean Macross, lol.

[CLB17]

JTP117 wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

If you read again you will see that I refuted your point. you said that the reapers (insinuating all the reapers) want shepard to never be indoctrinated which is false on all accounts. And the Destroy option is explained in an entirely negative way. It is the only option that the child does not reccomend. It is shepards mind creating a way out of the indoctrination. Like "the kick" in inception

I never said that, I said why would they want to free Shepard of indoctrination by proposing destroy. And it's obvious that its going to be explained in a negative way, you are killing them, they cease to exist, even star child.

And in control they would be controlled by their mortal enemy. I don't quite see how that is a better option for them. If anything, Synthesis is the only one where the reapers truely win, why suggest control in a positive way?

Are you really taknig everything the godchild says at face value. The godchild tells us that he controls the Reapers, as in your enemy, the things that have been trying to kill you and all life in the galaxy since ME1. why should we believe anything it says. The godchild says that you can control the Reapers but you can't it is a trick. It is really teh reapers taking control of you. Notice that it shows the illusive man choosing that option when the brat introduces it, and yet it is colored blue. the same color that paragon desisions have always been. Last i recall TIM was practically the definition of a renegade. Do not trust the godchild, it is a Reaper feeding you lies. Also in the ME3 official strategy guide, instead of listing the 3 options as destroy, control, and sythesis; it says destry, become a reaper, synthesis. Destroying the reapers has always been shepards goal, the other 2 are compramises with the Reapers and Javic says that any Protheons who tried to compromise with the reapers were ultimately detroyed.

I realize that. I am fully aware of how IT works, I've been here quite awhile lol. As for this convo here, I am simply using basic logic to show him that even IF the choices were that simple his counter point would still be nullified

Hey sorry if my post sounded angry. I'm just a bit passionate about the IT. The ending just doesn't make sense without it. Damn Space Magic!

[Big Bad]

ULS 980 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

@ULS980 - I definitely see the coloration that you're talking about, but I really can't tell what it might be.

I think you mean Macross, lol.

Oops!  My bad.

[MykeHuntz]

I pretty much guarantee that this has already been discussed... but I'm not willing to sift through 1000 pages to find out lol.
Anyone notice that nobody seems to takes notice of the kid just before Shepard leaves Earth? I mean, he is visibly struggling to enter the shuttle, yet the soldier standing beside him appears to take no notice. Doesn't even offer a hand. I just feel like if I was standing there and saw a kid attempting to climb his way in beside me, I would at least offer a hand or something, especially given the urgency. It seems to offer even more evidence that the kid isn't real IMHO.

Thoughts on this?

[palacios]

Macross wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

We really don't know enough about the Prothean VIs and the full extent of their ability to detect Indoctrination to base much on that information. We can infer a lot and make assumptions based on what we've seen but I would caution anyone trying to read too much into it.

I agree, but reading to much into stuff is a lot of fun.

Anyway, something I noticed on my last run through and has been bugging me since I finished it like two hours ago.

This image here is from the breathing scene (note, might be a bit hard to see- it's slightly to dark but was much cleared ingame)

desmond.imageshack.us/Himg832/scaled.php
-Sorry not sure how to imbed.

Does anyone know what the thing I circled is? Becasue to me it looks like a Rachni Husk.

I saw that and I think its just fresh wounds on Shepard. So, that might be his/her leg showing through.  But yeah. I've noticed strange objects. One in particular that bothers me is one that sits in the center of the middleground. It appears to have like two thin stripes - it looks like surface but it's also round-ish in shape like some king of plating.

http://i162.photobuc...20-17-49-43.jpg
http://s162.photobuc...20-17-48-89.jpg

Modifié par palacios, 01 avril 2012 - 06:07 .

[JTP117]

CLB17 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

If you read again you will see that I refuted your point. you said that the reapers (insinuating all the reapers) want shepard to never be indoctrinated which is false on all accounts. And the Destroy option is explained in an entirely negative way. It is the only option that the child does not reccomend. It is shepards mind creating a way out of the indoctrination. Like "the kick" in inception

I never said that, I said why would they want to free Shepard of indoctrination by proposing destroy. And it's obvious that its going to be explained in a negative way, you are killing them, they cease to exist, even star child.

And in control they would be controlled by their mortal enemy. I don't quite see how that is a better option for them. If anything, Synthesis is the only one where the reapers truely win, why suggest control in a positive way?

Are you really taknig everything the godchild says at face value. The godchild tells us that he controls the Reapers, as in your enemy, the things that have been trying to kill you and all life in the galaxy since ME1. why should we believe anything it says. The godchild says that you can control the Reapers but you can't it is a trick. It is really teh reapers taking control of you. Notice that it shows the illusive man choosing that option when the brat introduces it, and yet it is colored blue. the same color that paragon desisions have always been. Last i recall TIM was practically the definition of a renegade. Do not trust the godchild, it is a Reaper feeding you lies. Also in the ME3 official strategy guide, instead of listing the 3 options as destroy, control, and sythesis; it says destry, become a reaper, synthesis. Destroying the reapers has always been shepards goal, the other 2 are compramises with the Reapers and Javic says that any Protheons who tried to compromise with the reapers were ultimately detroyed.

I realize that. I am fully aware of how IT works, I've been here quite awhile lol. As for this convo here, I am simply using basic logic to show him that even IF the choices were that simple his counter point would still be nullified

Hey sorry if my post sounded angry. I'm just a bit passionate about the IT. The ending just doesn't make sense without it. Damn Space Magic!

Oh no I completely support what you said. I was just letting you know that I was on your side lol.

[AMEDooley15]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Before I introduced myself to the ending fiasco.. the only things I noticed were Anderson being on the citadel at all (made no sense) , along with shepards wierd bleeding when it wasn't present earlier, and of course the color swap for the paragon/renegade choices at the end there, oh. and the god childs bull**** "the reapers are my solution" the entire time I'm thinking.. uhh wtf? we just played through 3 full games with the idea that the reapers were not created.

Now of course we have circumstantial evidence to tie all of that with the IDT which I think is the best explanation for the load of garbage.

Actually we have played 3 games with the understanding that they think they were not created. Think about it. If you're a super powerful organic/robot thing and have lived for bilions of years, would you remember who created you, and would you admit to those your about to crush that you were indeed made. If I trying to express how futile it would be to fight me, a reaper, why would I ever even think about stating that I was created. That would be mean that I could be distroyed. I would never admit that.

[CLB17]

I just noticed something. I don't know if the relates to IT and it seems a bit crazy but take a look at the rubble that Shepard is lying in the breath scene. Now if you have The Art of Mass Effect book that comes with the collector edition and look at the hard cover. call me crazy but does the rubble that Shepard is standing in on the cover look exactly like the rubble he is lying in breath scene.

[Chud Elite]

I totally agree with the IT, there is just way too much evidence to disregard it. I noticed that Shepard was the only one who interacted or even acknowledged the kids existence throughout the game. And if the IT isn't true, why does the Starchild take the form of that kid. Seriously, how? Also, I was hoping someone noticed that when the Starchild tells you the consequences of the Destroy ending, it states that all synthetic life would be destroyed including Shepard because of cybernetic implants. Isn't it strange that this is the only ending where Shepard draws a breath at the end? Just wanted to share.

[3Minotaur3]

MykeHuntz wrote...

I pretty much guarantee that this has already been discussed... but I'm not willing to sift through 1000 pages to find out lol.
Anyone notice that nobody seems to takes notice of the kid just before Shepard leaves Earth? I mean, he is visibly struggling to enter the shuttle, yet the soldier standing beside him appears to take no notice. Doesn't even offer a hand. I just feel like if I was standing there and saw a kid attempting to climb his way in beside me, I would at least offer a hand or something, especially given the urgency. It seems to offer even more evidence that the kid isn't real IMHO.

Thoughts on this?

Oh the kid is real. Everybody is too busy around him to notice, except maybe the soldier who close the door after him. His death was just the Catalyst (ok, that was a bit easy ) that starts the annoying nightmare scenes...

[Bawbtheepic]

CLB17 wrote...

I just noticed something. I don't know if the relates to IT and it seems a bit crazy but take a look at the rubble that Shepard is lying in the breath scene. Now if you have The Art of Mass Effect book that comes with the collector edition and look at the hard cover. call me crazy but does the rubble that Shepard is standing in on the cover look exactly like the rubble he is lying in breath scene.

Maybe your right...   

[3Minotaur3]

Chud Elite wrote...

I totally agree with the IT, there is just way too much evidence to disregard it. I noticed that Shepard was the only one who interacted or even acknowledged the kids existence throughout the game. And if the IT isn't true, why does the Starchild take the form of that kid. Seriously, how? Also, I was hoping someone noticed that when the Starchild tells you the consequences of the Destroy ending, it states that all synthetic life would be destroyed including Shepard because of cybernetic implants. Isn't it strange that this is the only ending where Shepard draws a breath at the end? Just wanted to share.

Dream or hallucination or near-death experience could gives you the same images, the same story... No evidences, only theories (for everything you can make of the ending in fact)...

[3Minotaur3]

AMEDooley15 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Before I introduced myself to the ending fiasco.. the only things I noticed were Anderson being on the citadel at all (made no sense) , along with shepards wierd bleeding when it wasn't present earlier, and of course the color swap for the paragon/renegade choices at the end there, oh. and the god childs bull**** "the reapers are my solution" the entire time I'm thinking.. uhh wtf? we just played through 3 full games with the idea that the reapers were not created.

Now of course we have circumstantial evidence to tie all of that with the IDT which I think is the best explanation for the load of garbage.

Actually we have played 3 games with the understanding that they think they were not created. Think about it. If you're a super powerful organic/robot thing and have lived for bilions of years, would you remember who created you, and would you admit to those your about to crush that you were indeed made. If I trying to express how futile it would be to fight me, a reaper, why would I ever even think about stating that I was created. That would be mean that I could be distroyed. I would never admit that.

If the Reapers knew that their creator was the Catalyst/Citadel, wouldn't they tried to secure it first before starting their harvesting?... They would know all too well it was their weak point...
Instead, they considered it a broken Relay and start attacking Batarians/Earth... Only after the Prothean VI decrypting by TIM, they moved and tried to protect the Citadel...

Make me think that until then, they where unaware that their main Relay (sabotaged by the Protheans) was also their Creator home... Or is it?... It may only be a more elaborate Relay that may also be a killswitch (combined with the Crucible) to eliminate the Reaper, if their creator deems it necessary. And by chance or destiny, the Proteans found it's existence...

[bredmo]

3Minotaur3 wrote...

MykeHuntz wrote...

I pretty much guarantee that this has already been discussed... but I'm not willing to sift through 1000 pages to find out lol.
Anyone notice that nobody seems to takes notice of the kid just before Shepard leaves Earth? I mean, he is visibly struggling to enter the shuttle, yet the soldier standing beside him appears to take no notice. Doesn't even offer a hand. I just feel like if I was standing there and saw a kid attempting to climb his way in beside me, I would at least offer a hand or something, especially given the urgency. It seems to offer even more evidence that the kid isn't real IMHO.

Thoughts on this?

Oh the kid is real. Everybody is too busy around him to notice, except maybe the soldier who close the door after him. His death was just the Catalyst (ok, that was a bit easy ) that starts the annoying nightmare scenes...

There's an interesting idea. You could go into all sorts of symbolic things. The kid's death was the catalyst for Shepard's internal struggle (test or "crucible"). Although we don't witness the end of the battle for earth, we do witness the end of the battle inside Shepard's mind. The breathing scene signifies his success?

The kid could still have been imagined though,

Modifié par bredmo, 01 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[WarMachineGun]

well after replaying ME1, and having Saren on virmire talk about indoctrination, i know fully beleive in this theory.