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[Dendio1]

Bawbtheepic wrote...

Anything new? (Been gone for a week$

Speculations until pax

Same arguements against IT spring up daily.



Basically we have come to a head here. People have chosen their side and dug their heels in until the speculations end at pax.

Modifié par Dendio1, 01 avril 2012 - 07:00 .

[CLB17]

SwobyJ wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I just noticed something. I don't know if the relates to IT and it seems a bit crazy but take a look at the rubble that Shepard is lying in the breath scene. Now if you have The Art of Mass Effect book that comes with the collector edition and look at the hard cover. call me crazy but does the rubble that Shepard is standing in on the cover look exactly like the rubble he is lying in breath scene.

Oh my godddddd

dido. It probably isn't the same rubble Shepard's lying in but this does prove to me that in the breath scene, Shepard is without a doubt on Earth.

[Dendio1]

Everything Ive gathered pointing to indoc theory thus far, feel free to add

Also, where has it been explicity stated that the Shep-breathing ending is canon?

The only way to get this ending is by having the highest level of EMS, keeping anderson from getting executed and choosing to kill the reapers.

This is the only ending shepard is seen in one piece. This is the only ending where the sol system is in one piece.

There is an angelic note that only plays if you approach Destroy
Destroy is the only ending where you dont acquire the indoctrionation eyes we've seen with saren
The star kid disappears immediately if you choose destroy as opposed to staring at you with a possible smirk on his face if u choose control
Star kid makes control and synthesis sound way worse than destroy.
The only thing shepard questions ( partially) is the kids take on Destroy. The star kid says Destroy is pointless as the conflict will begin anew. Shepard says a very telling *maybe* as opposed to flat out believing control and synthesis. Remember his own words * so the illusive man was right*
The goal since day one was to destroy the reapers, so what if synthetic life dies, you sacrificed an entire baterian solar system just to delay the reapers for a few months
The star kid is lying about all synthetics dying- the ending show shepard alive, even though the kid insinuated that sheps synthetic parts would doom him to death from choosing Destroy


Arguements supporting theory

Anderson ran that same run shep did, but he has no injuries, cuts or scars and his armor is clean as mint
Check out how the camera fixates on shepards pained facial expression as the illusive man comes out of no where.
When shep shoots anderson both men grunt at the exact same time, as if both were hit by the wound.
Anderson has no bleeding from the shot
Shepard has bleeding from the shot
Shepards bleeding stops without a trace as he reaches the crucible
The radio transmissions calling for retreat are faint and distant, but Anderson and Hacket come in crystal clear
If you have low ems your teammates are shown dead instead of random soldiers
Garrus bleeds red blood (supposed to be blue), EDI bleeds red blood
Shrubs and trees from your forest dreams manifest out of nowhere
The radio says nobody made it, but you make it anderson says he and others made it in after you
How did anderson get to the control panel first
Why does the crucible platform so closly mimic the exterior where hammer company fell
How does shep breathe in space with no helmet, remember me1 he needed a helmet to get outside the citadel
Your teammates ask about your mental health all game long..even edi picks up
on it saying you are more stressed now than ever before. Joker highlights this
The boy makes impossible gains in space during the opening level. He litterally goes city blocks apart to make it to where u see him board the taxi
The boy is in an electrified vent
The boy says you cant help me...no kid in that situation says that
The reaper growl that goes off when anderson breaks your focus
How does the star kid know what the boy looked like enough to emulate his appearance
Oily shadows from reaper influence that the rachni saw...they plague your dreams
Javik senses inner turmoil and suggests that the reapers are winning some sort of battle in your mind
Parts of the citadel look like places shep has been before...a situation
echoed by what legion did for shepard on how geths think
Edi has reaper tech in her body as well as her core
The normandy is carrying reaper tech
vega talked about a buzzing noise..and this aint his first time on the normandy
Illusive man doesnt care enough to convince u to his beliefs beyond light banter, however aboard the dream citadel he spends all his energy on the sole purpose of convincing you that control is the way to go
Ask him why hes wasting time with you and anderson. His response is " because you need to understand*...totally uncharacteristic
We see the illusive man post implants after sanctuary at his base. He and ling both look more or less normal, then on the ship illusive man is suddenly halfway husk.
One shot kills illusive man, where as every other reaper tech hybrid is a pain to take down...saren, ling

Modifié par Dendio1, 01 avril 2012 - 07:03 .

[Dendio1]

Additionally people have been looking for meaning in the 1m1 mirror images. During priority earth there are computers in the homes you run through. Almost all of these have words correctly drawn, but one pair has them backwards. It felt out of place. Ill get some screens later, the print screen function didnt work earlier.

Also I can confirm that throughout priority earth you do no encounter shrubs and trees until the final run, however they do exist before harby shoots you. They get way more numerous after you wake up from the blast.
Does this suggest that harby's presence jump started the indoctrination process rather than the beam?
Speculation ensues until pax...which is mercifully only a week away

There are mounds of bodies outside the citadel. A tank is actually partially covering a mound. There is a canon dialogue where anderson says the beam has been used to move humans dead or alive to the citadel.

The path leading to anderson is surrounded by water and electric currents. There seems to be electricity warning signs everywhere in this game. check around the star map and outside the vent where u first met star kid

More speculations:wizard:

Modifié par Dendio1, 01 avril 2012 - 07:12 .

[Princess_Ozma]

Okay while I support this theory and intend to make my own video explaining why sometime over the course of the next week or so... going to punch a hole in one thing.

The gun with unlimited ammo... just started a new ME game and shot dozens of clips right at the start of the game before meeting your first group of husks... at that point in the game you also have unlimited ammo. You could sit there for hours shooting bullets at the first reaper your see. So that part alone is not a strong indication of a hallucination... though funny enough, at that point you've just woken up from a Reaper laser like at the end.

[Skillz1986]

Totally off topic:
Just some facts, followed by a question.

Facts:
Shepard takes down Sarren, Sovereign, the herretic Geth, saves countless colonists from the thorian creature and generally does some impressive s**t in me 1.
He then proceeds to save more colonists on horizon and takes down the collectors, without losing a single crewmember (if done correctly) in me2.

Question: how the hell is he still just a commander? What does a man have to do in the me universe to climb the ladder in the aliance military damn it?

[JTP117]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Totally off topic:
Just some facts, followed by a question.

Facts:
Shepard takes down Sarren, Sovereign, the herretic Geth, saves countless colonists from the thorian creature and generally does some impressive s**t in me 1.
He then proceeds to save more colonists on horizon and takes down the collectors, without losing a single crewmember (if done correctly) in me2.

Question: how the hell is he still just a commander? What does a man have to do in the me universe to climb the ladder in the aliance military damn it?

Well look at Halo, John-117 is still just a MCPO and he defeated the covenant armada almost single-handedly, killing one of their three most protected hierarchs and stopped a ring that would kill literally everyone. I think the military just lost MC and Sheps promotions in the mail or something

[Macross]

Romanticism man, Romanticism. Commander sounds like a person who is out on the battlefield kicking ass and taking names. Admiral or General or hell even Captain sounds like, to a point, a person who gives orders rather than fights.

This is Sci-Fi- 50% of it is Romanticism.

Modifié par Macross, 01 avril 2012 - 07:59 .

[Skillz1986]

I dunno..i think captain would be okay. sure, admiral would be too much..but captains can still kick ass.

[Kasces]

I don't know if it supports IT, but it's something I don't think anyone brings up.

Whenever you see the Illusive Man- as in actually see him, no hologram- he has green eyes and is considerably more...wrinkled? Older? Anyway, that's whenever you see him not via hologram prior to the Citadel. At the Citadel, he looks more like was in ME2. Why change the model up? It's obviously something the player is suppose to notice, unless it was a mistake when the game shipped? If it was explained in a vid at Sancturary or somewhere else in game, it was brief and I missed it.

It's also interesting that he basically tells you he could care less if Shep agrees with him or not prior to the Citadel, yet at the Citadel he says he "needs you to believe."

Modifié par Kasces, 01 avril 2012 - 08:06 .

[Jaxitty]

Shep remained a Comander because when s/he came back to Earth, s/he was basically stripped of rank/relieved of comand. They're not gonna promote you for destroying a Batarian system, even if they privately agree with what you did.

Also, second playthrough, was checking out the codex on the Crucible. Not sure if this was ever mentioned as there's times i've skipped ten or so pages so I can get to the latest one. Seems that the Shadowbroker tech that was used on it's ship? It was incorporated into the Catalyst, which may mean that...you're not on the Citadel at all. (screenies of the codex below)

[Allaiya]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Facts:
Shepard takes down Sarren, Sovereign, the herretic Geth, saves countless colonists from the thorian creature and generally does some impressive s**t in me 1.
He then proceeds to save more colonists on horizon and takes down the collectors, without losing a single crewmember (if done correctly) in me2.

Question: how the hell is he still just a commander? What does a man have to do in the me universe to climb the ladder in the aliance military damn it?

Lol I've wondered the same thing. Apparently, everyone besides Shepard gets promoted  (Ashley/Kaiden, Anderson, Hackett).
I guess they just want to keep him as Commander Shepard.

[Skillz1986]

BUT...i guess me2 doesn't count, since he's working for cerberus. so it can't be officially recognized by the alliance. i love to counter my own thoughts -.-

[clennon8]

Dendio1 wrote...

There is an angelic note that only plays if you approach Destroy

I've seen this mentioned elsewhere, but I'm not sure it's true.  I've tried it, but I never hear any "angelic note."

[RussiaTerminator]

Modifié par RussiaTerminator, 01 avril 2012 - 08:14 .

[ky0dar]

AMEDooley15 wrote...

Actually we have played 3 games with the understanding that they think they were not created. Think about it. If you're a super powerful organic/robot thing and have lived for bilions of years, would you remember who created you, and would you admit to those your about to crush that you were indeed made. If I trying to express how futile it would be to fight me, a reaper, why would I ever even think about stating that I was created. That would be mean that I could be distroyed. I would never admit that.

Holy crap... The Reapers are senile!

[Destr1er]

He was supposed to be on trial during the start of ME3, so that's a pretty good reason for him not getting a promotion. Plus, the entire second game he was a Cerberus operative, as some other posters have pointed out.

The indoc. theory makes the most sense right now, out of everything. Some people have put a lot of thought and pointed out some very interesting things.

Here's to hoping the ending was a major mind-game. Kind of like the Revan reveal in KOTOR, only 1000 times more epic.

[savagejuicebox]

ky0dar wrote...

AMEDooley15 wrote...

Actually we have played 3 games with the understanding that they think they were not created. Think about it. If you're a super powerful organic/robot thing and have lived for bilions of years, would you remember who created you, and would you admit to those your about to crush that you were indeed made. If I trying to express how futile it would be to fight me, a reaper, why would I ever even think about stating that I was created. That would be mean that I could be distroyed. I would never admit that.

Holy crap... The Reapers are senile!

:lol:

[Martukis]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Totally off topic:
Just some facts, followed by a question.

Facts:
Shepard takes down Sarren, Sovereign, the herretic Geth, saves countless colonists from the thorian creature and generally does some impressive s**t in me 1.
He then proceeds to save more colonists on horizon and takes down the collectors, without losing a single crewmember (if done correctly) in me2.

Question: how the hell is he still just a commander? What does a man have to do in the me universe to climb the ladder in the aliance military damn it?

Actually, why is he Alliance AT ALL? He was a Spectre in ME1, answerable only to the Council. He was no longer part of the Alliance. Why Shepard would willingly re-enlist in ME3 is beyond me. That he's granted Spectre status at the same time makes no sense either.

 Actually, he is still alliance military. Spectres are a civilian organization on a near galactic scale, alliance military is  a human systems military. When he is rebuilt by cerberus he is no longer alliance as he has been declared KIA, and whether or not he is reinstated as a Spectre depends upon his conversation with the council. In ME3 Shep is vindicated for his suppose overzealousness in fighting/preparing against the reaper threat, and so both Anderson and council realize Shep is the last, best hope any/all of them have.

[BinaryHelix101]

Dendio1 wrote...

Bawbtheepic wrote...

Anything new? (Been gone for a week$

Speculations until pax

Same arguements against IT spring up daily.



Basically we have come to a head here. People have chosen their side and dug their heels in until the speculations end at pax.

Speculations end at PAX? Really? Have you seen the list of Bioware members that will be at the Mass Effect panel? Mostly community managers and a couple of writers who didn't have anything to do with the ending.

Pinning all your hopes on this thing getting a resolution at PAX is very optimistic. They'll most likely have another pre-prepared statement from one of the people who were involved with the ending, or just a bunch of 'no comment' replies on people asking about ending DLC and clarification.

[noobcannon]

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Bawbtheepic wrote...

Anything new? (Been gone for a week$

Speculations until pax

Same arguements against IT spring up daily.



Basically we have come to a head here. People have chosen their side and dug their heels in until the speculations end at pax.

Speculations end at PAX? Really? Have you seen the list of Bioware members that will be at the Mass Effect panel? Mostly community managers and a couple of writers who didn't have anything to do with the ending.

Pinning all your hopes on this thing getting a resolution at PAX is very optimistic. They'll most likely have another pre-prepared statement from one of the people who were involved with the ending, or just a bunch of 'no comment' replies on people asking about ending DLC and clarification.

it's my understanding that mike gamble will be there and he is usually the one who would reveal these types of things. at least that was always my impression.

[Chaosbrain]

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Bawbtheepic wrote...

Anything new? (Been gone for a week$

Speculations until pax

Same arguements against IT spring up daily.



Basically we have come to a head here. People have chosen their side and dug their heels in until the speculations end at pax.

Speculations end at PAX? Really? Have you seen the list of Bioware members that will be at the Mass Effect panel? Mostly community managers and a couple of writers who didn't have anything to do with the ending.

Pinning all your hopes on this thing getting a resolution at PAX is very optimistic. They'll most likely have another pre-prepared statement from one of the people who were involved with the ending, or just a bunch of 'no comment' replies on people asking about ending DLC and clarification.

Well they always response with "wait until april"... So i think that they'll announce something big on PAX... Otherwise most of the people would be pissed

[nyrocron]

CLB17 wrote...

I just noticed something. I don't know if the relates to IT and it seems a bit crazy but take a look at the rubble that Shepard is lying in the breath scene. Now if you have The Art of Mass Effect book that comes with the collector edition and look at the hard cover. call me crazy but does the rubble that Shepard is standing in on the cover look exactly like the rubble he is lying in breath scene.

Well then the Artbook would actually make sense, that would be great!

[Quahtli]

Did they ever fix the face import issue, on a side note?