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Sure as hell hope that the mass effect cartoon wasn't one of their major announcments. actually i hope it's just an april's fools thing. it's horrible

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Sure as hell hope that the mass effect cartoon wasn't one of their major announcments. actually i hope it's just an april's fools thing. it's horrible


I think it's safe to say its an April fools thing.

Made me chuckle.

I do however think an OmniBlade-Axe would be bad-ass :)

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Spiderman_2028 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Sure as hell hope that the mass effect cartoon wasn't one of their major announcments. actually i hope it's just an april's fools thing. it's horrible


I think it's safe to say its an April fools thing.

Made me chuckle.

I do however think an OmniBlade-Axe would be bad-ass :)


nah. Omni-Guitar. It's like something out of Macross Franchises. But yeah, I'm pretty sure it's an April Fools joke, although Power of Rock is still better than Space Magic.

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Sure as hell hope that the mass effect cartoon wasn't one of their major announcments. actually i hope it's just an april's fools thing. it's horrible


still better than the end of ME3

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Quahtli wrote...

Did they ever fix the face import issue, on a side note?


 What do you think they'll be talking about at PAX?

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Martukis wrote...

Quahtli wrote...

Did they ever fix the face import issue, on a side note?


 What do you think they'll be talking about at PAX?


Well, the indoctrination theory/dlc ? ^^
Bioware is rapidly losing my trust.

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Quahtli wrote...

Martukis wrote...

Quahtli wrote...

Did they ever fix the face import issue, on a side note?


 What do you think they'll be talking about at PAX?


Well, the indoctrination theory/dlc ? ^^
Bioware is rapidly losing my trust.

As much as I want them to bring up the IDT and as much as I'm convinced that it's true.. I'd still be surprised if they actually announce it. Extremely surprised actually, it just seems like such a weird way to end a trilogy, if this was planned then IMO they shouldnt have kept us waiting for weeks.

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So what's this I'm hearing about some kind of Mass Effect 3 comic?

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estebanus wrote...

So what's this I'm hearing about some kind of Mass Effect 3 comic?


here


It's a joke though, but I'm sure at least one third of the community is going to take it serious >.<

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Quahtli wrote...

estebanus wrote...

So what's this I'm hearing about some kind of Mass Effect 3 comic?


here


It's a joke though, but I'm sure at least one third of the community is going to take it serious >.<



i would watch that 

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me too

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I've read through the opening post of this thread and have watched the main videos of the IT. However, I don't think I've seen anyone bring this up. (Although, I'm sure they have.) During the Shepard breath scene, is it just me or does background noise sound awfully like Reaper growls and planes flying?

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Quahtli wrote...

estebanus wrote...

So what's this I'm hearing about some kind of Mass Effect 3 comic?


here


It's a joke though, but I'm sure at least one third of the community is going to take it serious >.<


Lmao that was just as confusing as the game! Wtf was the SR1 doing there? 

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Baldsake wrote...

As much as I want them to bring up the IDT and as much as I'm convinced that it's true.. I'd still be surprised if they actually announce it. Extremely surprised actually, it just seems like such a weird way to end a trilogy, if this was planned then IMO they shouldnt have kept us waiting for weeks.


Yes and no. The problem is: while you don't want to wait for ages, for the full effect of such a storytelling trick, you have to have as many people as possible play the game (not only the die-hard fans).
For example, I only bought the game two weeks after release (because I am actually supposed to write up my Ph.D. thesis now) - and I am pretty sure, there are still people who have not completed the game. So one month between release and revelation is not totally unreasonable.
I do, however, think that they underestimated the passion with which many people care for Mass Effect. Also, I don't think they fully succeeded with the current cliff-hanger end. So the backlash from it was possibly much higher than they expected.

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Liara wouldn't have understood the beacon/vi either, because when you're on Javik's discovery mission, you gather the intel from the different housing pods, and each time Liara asks if you understood what was on it, and she admits she couldn't. The VI on Thesia likely was advanced enough (since it could extrapolate that Reapers were nearby that this cycle had reached it's terminus) there's a good chance that it knew the root language of the Asari (considering the Protheans practically bioengineered them :P) Either way, I think it's just the devs assuming a small suspension of disbelief and not getting utterly anal when it comes to languages.

I personally don't think that Shep was indoctrinated (if he was at all) to any great degree by that point. As for why it detected Lang a bit later? We see him walk into the temple from the outside, that's what it detects an indoctrinated presence.

AFTER Thessia though..AFTER Shep is handed one of s/his worst defeats in the game is when s/his will starts to waver, where depression and a sense of hopelessness start to creep in and where agents for indoctrination have a chance of worming their way into s/his psyche.


You may well be right about that. Thessia could be labeled Shepard's biggest defeat - at least, that's the way they staged it in ME 3. This will probably leave him highly susceptible to the subtle manipulation of indoctrination.

I do, however, believe that the indoctrination started earlier, possibly during the Arrival mission.

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schneeland wrote...

I do, however, believe that the indoctrination started earlier, possibly during the Arrival mission.


Agreed, for me the reason behind that being that the child is (according to me) the avatar of shepard's indoctrination, and shepard starts seeing the child after Arrival.

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Cucobr wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

The Problem with IT is, it pretty much bends everything to fit its needs. There's a lack of a satisfying ending,



I stopped read your text there.

IT isn't a ending, never was.

The Reapers still out there... the crucible still out there..

So Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 didn't have an ending either?


Stopped there again

Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, HAD their ending ... but Mass Effect 2 was not the final game of the series ... was not the final game with Commander Shepard.

Mass Effect 3 is.

If BioWare had told that there will be a Mass Effect 4, I'll be totally OK with the end of ME3. Shepard woke up -> Continued in ME4.

But no.

Mass Effect 3 is the last. So he has to have a final what embrace everything was created for the series.


I wouldn't mind at all a Mass Effect 4 with Shepard. Would anyone?


Agree 110%.

There is NOT a SINGLE MOTIVE to stop Mass Effect or stop the history of commander Shepard.

It would be the same if the Nintendo say: "Ok guys, this is the last game of Mario.''

DAFUQ?


Well, I may have to disagree. Assuming ME 3 does indeed complete the story of the Reaper threat, there's only so much Shepard can do afterwards - after all: what would be a greater task than defeating the reapers?

I would could have imagined splitting ME 3 up in two parts (e.g. ME 3 part I - where you build up and army and counter the plot of evil-Udina, ME 3 part II - where you are going to kick the Reapers in their daddy bags very violently), but somehow I feel that my Shepard will either dutifully complete routine missions for the rest of his life or retire and spent the rest of his life at a nice, sunny place in the South of France, tendering his vineyard and looking after little blue kids once in a while.

If they have ME 4, the setting would need to be somehow different, with a fresh marine setting out for new adventure. You know, there's no such thing as Lord of the Rings II - the return of the ring ... and it's very, very good that way.

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Quahtli wrote...

schneeland wrote...

I do, however, believe that the indoctrination started earlier, possibly during the Arrival mission.


Agreed, for me the reason behind that being that the child is (according to me) the avatar of shepard's indoctrination, and shepard starts seeing the child after Arrival.


Approved. I thought about the theory that the child may actually be real in the first mission - but I think there's just no way someone would survive the reaper blast to the building in which the child hides, and Anderson doesn't even seem to see/hear it anyway. Also, the child makes its appearance before, with the toy Normandy.

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Figured there could be a clue with the "1m1" thing, and a Google search only turned up one interesting thing, 1M1 Records.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/1M1_Records

Now, more investigation yields the fact they have been nominated for four "ARIA Awards." (Aria T'loak)
Mere chance, or some odd connection....

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schneeland wrote...

If they have ME 4, the setting would need to be somehow different, with a fresh marine setting out for new adventure. You know, there's no such thing as Lord of the Rings II - the return of the ring ... and it's very, very good that way.


And it's not like there are no ideas out there. The amount of stuff that has been invented by bioware in the Mass Effect universe is huge. They could go Krogan Rebellion 2, or another Geth - Quarian War, Batarian Revenge for blowing up the relay, something with Vorcha (did they even help in war assets? besides blood pack?), etcetera.

And I'm still really looking forward to krogan mounted on dinosaurs and elcor with gattling guns on their backs.

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schneeland wrote...
Well, I may have to disagree. Assuming ME 3 does indeed complete the story of the Reaper threat, there's only so much Shepard can do afterwards - after all: what would be a greater task than defeating the reapers?

I would could have imagined splitting ME 3 up in two parts (e.g. ME 3 part I - where you build up and army and counter the plot of evil-Udina, ME 3 part II - where you are going to kick the Reapers in their daddy bags very violently), but somehow I feel that my Shepard will either dutifully complete routine missions for the rest of his life or retire and spent the rest of his life at a nice, sunny place in the South of France, tendering his vineyard and looking after little blue kids once in a while.

If they have ME 4, the setting would need to be somehow different, with a fresh marine setting out for new adventure. You know, there's no such thing as Lord of the Rings II - the return of the ring ... and it's very, very good that way.

agreed, if there's one thing I hate it's games/movies/tv shows getting overdone.. I loved Dexter, and I mean LOVED.. Season 1-4 were amazing.. I just finished watching Season 6 and it was almost depressing to see your favorite characters in such a bad script.. Why does this happen? Because they run out of ideas. What more can Shepard do that we havent already seen in some shape or form? Now I'm all for future games in the ME world, with its planets, races and issues, I always find myself intrigued by it. As for Shepard and his crew.. I don't know, I already noticed some characters getting a bit dull in ME3 and a bit stereotyped. I wouldn't want to see a ME4 that has you play as Shepard again, as much as I loved the series.. More isn't always better.

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schneeland wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

The Problem with IT is, it pretty much bends everything to fit its needs. There's a lack of a satisfying ending,



I stopped read your text there.

IT isn't a ending, never was.

The Reapers still out there... the crucible still out there..

So Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 didn't have an ending either?


Stopped there again

Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, HAD their ending ... but Mass Effect 2 was not the final game of the series ... was not the final game with Commander Shepard.

Mass Effect 3 is.

If BioWare had told that there will be a Mass Effect 4, I'll be totally OK with the end of ME3. Shepard woke up -> Continued in ME4.

But no.

Mass Effect 3 is the last. So he has to have a final what embrace everything was created for the series.


I wouldn't mind at all a Mass Effect 4 with Shepard. Would anyone?


Agree 110%.

There is NOT a SINGLE MOTIVE to stop Mass Effect or stop the history of commander Shepard.

It would be the same if the Nintendo say: "Ok guys, this is the last game of Mario.''

DAFUQ?


Well, I may have to disagree. Assuming ME 3 does indeed complete the story of the Reaper threat, there's only so much Shepard can do afterwards - after all: what would be a greater task than defeating the reapers?

I would could have imagined splitting ME 3 up in two parts (e.g. ME 3 part I - where you build up and army and counter the plot of evil-Udina, ME 3 part II - where you are going to kick the Reapers in their daddy bags very violently), but somehow I feel that my Shepard will either dutifully complete routine missions for the rest of his life or retire and spent the rest of his life at a nice, sunny place in the South of France, tendering his vineyard and looking after little blue kids once in a while.

If they have ME 4, the setting would need to be somehow different, with a fresh marine setting out for new adventure. You know, there's no such thing as Lord of the Rings II - the return of the ring ... and it's very, very good that way.


See, I agree with this. What I wanted from ME3's ending was an ending that ended the story for Shepard and left the universe open to explore. Because in all honesty the potential in the ME3 universe is as great as the potenial Star Wars' expanded universe had when the orignal trilogy came out. With a bit of work ME could have built an amazinging expanded universe however with the endings as they are now so much of what made the universe interest -the politics, the speices, the mass relays, the concept of previouse cycles and so forth- kind of got nullified (not to mention the fact that no real characters got closure).

Although there is some potenial for an EU as is now, it doesn't look very interest but rather very chaotic... it'd be very hard to 'organise' an ME4 as the galaxy is both methaporiaclly and literally all over the place. 

Modifié par Macross, 01 avril 2012 - 11:14 .


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Macross wrote...

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See, I agree with this. What I wanted from ME3's ending was an ending that ended the story for Shepard and left the universe open to explore. Because in all honesty the potential in the ME3 universe is as great as the potenial Star Wars' expanded universe had when the orignal trilogy came out. With a bit of work ME could have built an amazinging expanded universe however with the endings as they are now so much of what made the universe interest -the politics, the speices, the mass relays, the concept of previouse cycles and so forth- kind of got nullified (not to mention the fact that no real characters got closure).

Although there is some potenial for an EU as is now, it doesn't look very interest but rather very chaotic... it'd be very hard to 'organise' an ME4 as the galaxy is both methaporiaclly and literally all over the place. 


Agreed. This is one of the meta-gaming reasons why I believe there's more to the end than we currently see (doesn't need to be IT, although I find it to be the most compelling). From an economical perspective, you don't throw away your best IP in the vague hope of succeeding in the creation of a grim-dark Warhammer-clone universe.
They possibly have a lot of plans on what they'd like to sell us. And if they are able to fix the ending, a lot of people (including me) will buy this stuff - because we love the universe.

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There was an Idea floating around some pages back: we only see the mass relays we know being destroyed, which means the lots of inactive relays would still be there. A new game could revolve around activating and exploring those relays and gradually building up a new relay network. In my opinion that would be pretty interesting. An other way would be about other galaxies, there could always be a new threat coming from outside our galaxy.
I would like to see morse of the Mass Effect universe and I would love to se some of the characters reappearing. It would not have to be Shepard as main character, but our new Character could meet some of the known Characters. What I almost certainly wouldn't like is a Prequel.

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See, I agree with this. What I wanted from ME3's ending was an ending that ended the story for Shepard and left the universe open to explore. Because in all honesty the potential in the ME3 universe is as great as the potenial Star Wars' expanded universe had when the orignal trilogy came out. With a bit of work ME could have built an amazinging expanded universe however with the endings as they are now so much of what made the universe interest -the politics, the speices, the mass relays, the concept of previouse cycles and so forth- kind of got nullified (not to mention the fact that no real characters got closure).

Although there is some potenial for an EU as is now, it doesn't look very interest but rather very chaotic... it'd be very hard to 'organise' an ME4 as the galaxy is both methaporiaclly and literally all over the place. 


Unless something like IT is the plan... Then the war still needs fighting...