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Dwailing wrote...

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Thats why we theorists seem to think it was done intentionally so viewers would call BS on it.


I think, Rifneno is already on board. That's just another reason why the current ending should be approached with scepticism.

I do, however, think, that dark energy is actually not part of "real world" physics - only dark matter is (but I had my last physics classes some years ago at university, so that may have changed).


Dark energy is believed to be a real thing.   For more info, see this: 
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Dark_Energy 


I don't remember whether it was Dark Energy or Dark Matter, but I'm sceptical about whichever one of them it was, because, from what I had learned about it, it was invented solely to prove theories that scientists otherwise were unable to prove (like saying 2 can never be 5, unless we accept that 3 is also there).

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So i dont know if this was mention but it was brought to my attention recently but its something that knocks the IDT. Shepard never hears anything directly from the Reapers, one of things of being indoctrinated or the start of it is hearing the Reapers in your head like subtle voices or such. But I never read the books or much of the comics just going by what ive heard recently, feel free to correct me where its needed. Just I dont remember this ever happening like it was explains in a youtube video i watched recently.

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DarthSliver wrote...

So i dont know if this was mention but it was brought to my attention recently but its something that knocks the IDT. Shepard never hears anything directly from the Reapers, one of things of being indoctrinated or the start of it is hearing the Reapers in your head like subtle voices or such. But I never read the books or much of the comics just going by what ive heard recently, feel free to correct me where its needed. Just I dont remember this ever happening like it was explains in a youtube video i watched recently.


Well, what about the whispers in the dreams?

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Here's a terrifying one for you... Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition, or MAHEM.. Turns out the thanix cannon was based off something a mad science in a basement at the Department of Defense is working on. Sleep tight!

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Rifneno wrote...

Here's a terrifying one for you... Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition, or MAHEM.. Turns out the thanix cannon was based off something a mad science in a basement at the Department of Defense is working on. Sleep tight!


Wow, so we WILL be ready for the Reapers when they come.

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Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Here's a terrifying one for you... Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition, or MAHEM.. Turns out the thanix cannon was based off something a mad science in a basement at the Department of Defense is working on. Sleep tight!


Wow, so we WILL be ready for the Reapers when they come.


Guess, Shepard should have talked to DoD instead of the council, then ;)

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Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Here's a terrifying one for you... Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition, or MAHEM.. Turns out the thanix cannon was based off something a mad science in a basement at the Department of Defense is working on. Sleep tight!


Wow, so we WILL be ready for the Reapers when they come.


 Ready for the reapers? maybe. Ready for the little bugger child with three color choices to decide the flavor of our doom? Maybe not so much.

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Quahtli wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

schneeland wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

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Thats why we theorists seem to think it was done intentionally so viewers would call BS on it.


I think, Rifneno is already on board. That's just another reason why the current ending should be approached with scepticism.

I do, however, think, that dark energy is actually not part of "real world" physics - only dark matter is (but I had my last physics classes some years ago at university, so that may have changed).


Dark energy is believed to be a real thing.   For more info, see this: 
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Dark_Energy 


I don't remember whether it was Dark Energy or Dark Matter, but I'm sceptical about whichever one of them it was, because, from what I had learned about it, it was invented solely to prove theories that scientists otherwise were unable to prove (like saying 2 can never be 5, unless we accept that 3 is also there).


Well, I'm afraid that can be said of most theories in modern physics - some really defy common sense. On the other hand, it's really only theories. As my favourite quote about theories says:
“The value of any theory is not ‘whether the theory or framework provides an objective representation of reality’ , but rather how well a theory can shape an object of study, highlighting relevant issues”.

In a way, physicist suffer from the same problems we have here - only they don't have Bioware to tell them whether they are right ;)

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interesting considering who this guy is.



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I've read through the opening post of this thread and have watched the main videos of the IT. However, I don't think I've seen anyone bring this up. (Although, I'm sure they have.) During the Shepard breath scene, is it just me or does background noise sound awfully like Reaper growls and planes flying?


Anyone want to address this?

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dorktainian wrote...



interesting considering who this guy is.


HOLY ****, ACAVYOS is Seth Green!!!???  That would explain why his videos are so funny, but he's also the one who made the Indoc Theory video?  I guess he didn't like what happened to Joker anymore than we did. ;)  Welcome to the team Mr. Green, it's an honor to serve with you.

P.S. I'm totally freaking out right now.  If this doesn't lend significant credence to IT, I don't know what will.

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kilgorek wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

I've read through the opening post of this thread and have watched the main videos of the IT. However, I don't think I've seen anyone bring this up. (Although, I'm sure they have.) During the Shepard breath scene, is it just me or does background noise sound awfully like Reaper growls and planes flying?


Anyone want to address this?


Yeah, I thought that, too.

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Dwailing wrote...

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interesting considering who this guy is.


HOLY ****, ACAVYOS is Seth Green!!!???  That would explain why his videos are so funny, but he's also the one who made the Indoc Theory video?  I guess he didn't like what happened to Joker anymore than we did. ;)  Welcome to the team Mr. Green, it's an honor to serve with you.

P.S. I'm totally freaking out right now.  If this doesn't lend significant credence to IT, I don't know what will.


Don't think so. Check the credits at 1:35 - I think, it is just good video editing.

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Dwailing wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

So i dont know if this was mention but it was brought to my attention recently but its something that knocks the IDT. Shepard never hears anything directly from the Reapers, one of things of being indoctrinated or the start of it is hearing the Reapers in your head like subtle voices or such. But I never read the books or much of the comics just going by what ive heard recently, feel free to correct me where its needed. Just I dont remember this ever happening like it was explains in a youtube video i watched recently.


Well, what about the whispers in the dreams?


Well its hard to say because when i think about the biggest flaw to IDT its that it means Bioware didnt sell us a complete game. Its a reoccurring thought i have everytime i read this thread at least once a day. So its like if Bioware was going for IDT wouldnt we of had our Shepard wake up with whats been explain here to how the dlc would work.  Why would Bioware leave us hanging right before the true ending type deal?

I am sorry about this post, just been really negative about the ending lately. I cant really pick up ME3 pass playing MP with my friends on it of late. Not sure ill play ME3 storywise before this DLC is released type deal 

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schneeland wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

dorktainian wrote...



interesting considering who this guy is.


HOLY ****, ACAVYOS is Seth Green!!!???  That would explain why his videos are so funny, but he's also the one who made the Indoc Theory video?  I guess he didn't like what happened to Joker anymore than we did. ;)  Welcome to the team Mr. Green, it's an honor to serve with you.

P.S. I'm totally freaking out right now.  If this doesn't lend significant credence to IT, I don't know what will.


Don't think so. Check the credits at 1:35 - I think, it is just good video editing.


Oh, ************************************!  This sucks.

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Dwailing wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

I've read through the opening post of this thread and have watched the main videos of the IT. However, I don't think I've seen anyone bring this up. (Although, I'm sure they have.) During the Shepard breath scene, is it just me or does background noise sound awfully like Reaper growls and planes flying?


Anyone want to address this?


Yeah, I thought that, too.


Must be my ears. I didn't hear that.

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I don´t know if somenone mentioned it before, but I think it´s unlikely that Joker and the Normandy Crew would just walk around on an unknown planet without breathing masks or any other stuff. Especially if you chose the destruction ending in which EDI has to be killed, too.

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schneeland wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

I've read through the opening post of this thread and have watched the main videos of the IT. However, I don't think I've seen anyone bring this up. (Although, I'm sure they have.) During the Shepard breath scene, is it just me or does background noise sound awfully like Reaper growls and planes flying?


Anyone want to address this?


Yeah, I thought that, too.


Must be my ears. I didn't hear that.


Here, around 8:00, turn your volume to maximum and listen carefully.  
 

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That friend I mentioned before beat the game last night. I promptly showed him the Indoctrination video and he watched Angry Joe's video on it and he's absolutely convinced that there is more to come.

Score another one for the IT!

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Dwailing wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

I've read through the opening post of this thread and have watched the main videos of the IT. However, I don't think I've seen anyone bring this up. (Although, I'm sure they have.) During the Shepard breath scene, is it just me or does background noise sound awfully like Reaper growls and planes flying?


Anyone want to address this?


Yeah, I thought that, too.


Must be my ears. I didn't hear that.


Here, around 8:00, turn your volume to maximum and listen carefully.  
 



Ok. I hear it, now. However, to me it sounds rather like metal structures groaning under weight. Kind of the sounds you normally associate with old ships or factories. I think that's why I associated it rather with a collapsing building or so when I saw Shepard lying in the debris.

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schneeland wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

I've read through the opening post of this thread and have watched the main videos of the IT. However, I don't think I've seen anyone bring this up. (Although, I'm sure they have.) During the Shepard breath scene, is it just me or does background noise sound awfully like Reaper growls and planes flying?


Anyone want to address this?


Yeah, I thought that, too.


Must be my ears. I didn't hear that.


Here, around 8:00, turn your volume to maximum and listen carefully.  
 



Ok. I hear it, now. However, to me it sounds rather like metal structures groaning under weight. Kind of the sounds you normally associate with old ships or factories. I think that's why I associated it rather with a collapsing building or so when I saw Shepard lying in the debris.


Edit: Actually, don't they just sound like that period?

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 avril 2012 - 08:13 .


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Dwailing wrote...

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interesting considering who this guy is.


HOLY ****, ACAVYOS is Seth Green!!!???  That would explain why his videos are so funny, but he's also the one who made the Indoc Theory video?  I guess he didn't like what happened to Joker anymore than we did. ;)  Welcome to the team Mr. Green, it's an honor to serve with you.

P.S. I'm totally freaking out right now.  If this doesn't lend significant credence to IT, I don't know what will.


Not sure if serious. It was obvious that the creator of the video just took Seth Green's parody of Chris ****er and applied it to Mass Effect.

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Ummm... Check the date people. May be a firm believer in the IT but I think this is merely a good April Fools joke. ^_^

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Dwailing wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

dorktainian wrote...



interesting considering who this guy is.


HOLY ****, ACAVYOS is Seth Green!!!???  That would explain why his videos are so funny, but he's also the one who made the Indoc Theory video?  I guess he didn't like what happened to Joker anymore than we did. ;)  Welcome to the team Mr. Green, it's an honor to serve with you.

P.S. I'm totally freaking out right now.  If this doesn't lend significant credence to IT, I don't know what will.


Don't think so. Check the credits at 1:35 - I think, it is just good video editing.


Oh, ************************************!  This sucks.


Yeah, the 2nd video there is actually seth green talking about chris crocker (or making fun of him) and then he says something about buying robot chicken on dvd.

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schneeland wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

I've read through the opening post of this thread and have watched the main videos of the IT. However, I don't think I've seen anyone bring this up. (Although, I'm sure they have.) During the Shepard breath scene, is it just me or does background noise sound awfully like Reaper growls and planes flying?


Anyone want to address this?


Yeah, I thought that, too.


Must be my ears. I didn't hear that.


Here, around 8:00, turn your volume to maximum and listen carefully.  
 



Ok. I hear it, now. However, to me it sounds rather like metal structures groaning under weight. Kind of the sounds you normally associate with old ships or factories. I think that's why I associated it rather with a collapsing building or so when I saw Shepard lying in the debris.


Why would we be hearing a collapsing structure if Shepard is still in London? There were no buildings around him.