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[BlackDragonBane]

k8ee wrote...

I mean, how would Shep actually know that choosing destroy would kill EDI and all the geth? Because the reapers say so? Bull****.

Total dream. Has to be.(insert all our other points we went on about previously here, lol)

When Catalyst tags the extra component that destroying the Reapers destroys all synethic life forms, I'm guessing the Catalyst is defaulting on the assumption you either sided with the Geth, brokered peace between the Quarians and the Geth, and/or came to accept EDI as friend and comrade, you would second guess the choice.

True that Reaper King Catalyst is likely lying throught its virtual teeth, but unless you didn't give a damn about the synthetics, then there's a moment of hesitation and doubt if Destruction is the right course of action.

[Seronx The Cursed]

lavosslayer wrote...
How do you justify that? The rachni Queen specifically states in ME 1 that the Rachni war was due to the "song" being distorted...more then likely meaning Reaper interference...sorry but I highly doubt this...

What Javik said about the Rachni seems to imply the Rachni are always present and will always help the reapers some how(Just realized I been spelling reaper wrong.)   The Rachni are probably tools to accelerate chaos to neglect the order created by the Reapers.  Meaning the Rachni and the Reapers have opposite goals but the same means to the end.

However, many make the mistake of underestimating the rachni as
mindless animals when in fact the rachni are an extremely intelligent
sentient species. The rachni achieved space flight and a form of
cryogenic suspension, developed weapons and carved out a huge swathe of
galactic territory. Far from treating soldiers as disposable resources
of the hive - rachni soldiers are carefully nurtured as part of the
group.
The queens are the leaders of the rachni hive mind. Their ways of
perception, thinking and communications seem to be different from that
of other races, and based upon a synesthetic perception of sound as both
sound and color, and geared towards frequencies beyond normal
sonic range, as well as a telepathic hivemind. They regard speech and
thought as form of music, as shown by the strange metaphors used when
attempting to communicate, for example, "songs the color of oily
shadow". The speech patterns used by them in such occasions are also
unusual; "When we speak, one moves all". They refer to their manner of
communication as "singing", which soothes and nurtures their young, and
this appears to colour their entire psychology - for example, the rachni
speak of death as "the great silence", and refer to their homeworld as
the "singing planet". The rachni ability to genetically share knowledge
across generations makes queens a vast repository of information.

The Reapers have a metallic song.
The Rachni have an organic song.

Modifié par Seronx The Cursed, 11 mars 2012 - 11:19 .

[BlackDragonBane]

Seronx The Cursed wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...
How do you justify that? The rachni Queen specifically states in ME 1 that the Rachni war was due to the "song" being distorted...more then likely meaning Reaper interference...sorry but I highly doubt this...

What Javik said about the Rachni seems to imply the Rachni are always present and will always help the reapers some how(Just realized I been spelling reaper wrong.)   The Rachni are probably tools to accelerate chaos to neglect the order created by the Reapers.

Whend did you get this gem of information from Javik? I could never get the Prothean to really talk to me after I recruited him.

[Frakking.Toaster]

If this is actually what Bioware inteded, I give them credit. The proposition made in this thread is valid, and would make all the insipid bits of the ending make sense. However, this was a lofty goal for a video game, and execution clearly wasn't spot on enough as we're all kinda in the dark.

I sincerly hope this is the case. I've been putting off finishing the game due to the endings, but this has atleast given me enough desire to play and stop avoiding it. So fingers crossed!

Modifié par The.Pixie.Devil, 11 mars 2012 - 11:18 .

[lavosslayer]

Seronx The Cursed wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...
How do you justify that? The rachni Queen specifically states in ME 1 that the Rachni war was due to the "song" being distorted...more then likely meaning Reaper interference...sorry but I highly doubt this...

What Javik said about the Rachni seems to imply the Rachni are always present and will always help the reapers some how(Just realized I been spelling reaper wrong.)   The Rachni are probably tools to accelerate chaos to neglect the order created by the Reapers.

well that could be possible however that isn't what your intial post stated which is why I refuted it...

[k8ee]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

k8ee wrote...

I mean, how would Shep actually know that choosing destroy would kill EDI and all the geth? Because the reapers say so? Bull****.

Total dream. Has to be.(insert all our other points we went on about previously here, lol)

When Catalyst tags the extra component that destroying the Reapers destroys all synethic life forms, I'm guessing the Catalyst is defaulting on the assumption you either sided with the Geth, brokered peace between the Quarians and the Geth, and/or came to accept EDI as friend and comrade, you would second guess the choice.

True that Reaper King Catalyst is likely lying throught its virtual teeth, but unless you didn't give a damn about the synthetics, then there's a moment of hesitation and doubt if Destruction is the right course of action.

Reaper king kid could easily just be telling us that. Play off our desire to save the geth and EDI, makes the other choices seem better because I'm sure the reapers know that Shep is willing to sacrifice herself for peace. Which is what they want her to do, mentally sacrifice herself by compromising at the very end by not destroying the reapers.

[CreepingGeth]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Seronx The Cursed wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...
How do you justify that? The rachni Queen specifically states in ME 1 that the Rachni war was due to the "song" being distorted...more then likely meaning Reaper interference...sorry but I highly doubt this...

What Javik said about the Rachni seems to imply the Rachni are always present and will always help the reapers some how(Just realized I been spelling reaper wrong.)   The Rachni are probably tools to accelerate chaos to neglect the order created by the Reapers.

Whend did you get this gem of information from Javik? I could never get the Prothean to really talk to me after I recruited him.

Take him on missions. He makes Thessia much more incredible.

[Bigdoser]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

k8ee wrote...

I mean, how would Shep actually know that choosing destroy would kill EDI and all the geth? Because the reapers say so? Bull****.

Total dream. Has to be.(insert all our other points we went on about previously here, lol)

When Catalyst tags the extra component that destroying the Reapers destroys all synethic life forms, I'm guessing the Catalyst is defaulting on the assumption you either sided with the Geth, brokered peace between the Quarians and the Geth, and/or came to accept EDI as friend and comrade, you would second guess the choice.

True that Reaper King Catalyst is likely lying throught its virtual teeth, but unless you didn't give a damn about the synthetics, then there's a moment of hesitation and doubt if Destruction is the right course of action.

I think the catalyst is trying to make you doubt I think it is trying to steer shepard to control or synthesis I mean the meaning of crucible is servere test or trial and if the indoctrination theory is true this pretty much shows you harbinger is trying to indoctrinate you I mean the catalyst respons with we instead of *I*.

Anyway as renegade shepard said comprimising with the reapers is a sure fire way to get yourself indoctrinated and I see control and synthesis as comprimising with the reapers. 

Modifié par Bigdoser, 11 mars 2012 - 11:23 .

[Zhuinden]

The.Pixie.Devil wrote...

If this is actually what Bioware inteded, I give them credit. The proposition made in this thread is valid, and would make all the insipid bits of the ending make sense. However, this was a lofty goal for a video game, and execution clearly wasn't spot on enough as we're all kinda in the dark.

I sincerly hope this is the case. I've been putting off finishing the game due to the endings, but this has atleast given me enough desire to play and stop avoiding it. So fingers crossed!

If this is what they intended, then it's a work of genius.
They should have given us some clues though so it would not be Myst 2.

[Ellestor]

I'm on board with the idea of Shepard's indoctrination while he lays unconscious at Harbinger's feet—seems obvious to me that Harbinger couldn't resist the opportunity—but I don't buy that the renegade/paragon options are flipped in the way some people are suggesting. That's obviously not the case in the confrontation with TIM, and besides, doesn't the suggestion fall apart in the case of a normally renegade Shepard?

[KHReborn]

I think Bioware forgot to play a RickRoll after this ending.

[lavosslayer]

Ellestor wrote...

I'm on board with the idea of Shepard's indoctrination while he lays unconscious at Harbinger's feet—seems obvious to me that Harbinger couldn't resist the opportunity—but I don't buy that the renegade/paragon options are flipped in the way some people are suggesting. That's obviously not the case in the confrontation with TIM, and besides, doesn't the suggestion fall apart in the case of a normally renegade Shepard?

I don't think it falls apart at all...consider the fact that this particular situation takes raw instinct to break out of...intellect is actually your enemy here since its being so distorted and twisted by the Reapers attempts at indoctrination. Making a renegade choice is the only way to fight back against these attempts and complete your mission...

[Zhuinden]

Ellestor wrote...

I'm on board with the idea of Shepard's indoctrination while he lays unconscious at Harbinger's feet—seems obvious to me that Harbinger couldn't resist the opportunity—but I don't buy that the renegade/paragon options are flipped in the way some people are suggesting. That's obviously not the case in the confrontation with TIM, and besides, doesn't the suggestion fall apart in the case of a normally renegade Shepard?

How else can you justify that the highest point requirement for an ending is 5000+ for Destroy, with Shepard alive - before that is Synthesis with 3000 and below is Control with 2050 or so?
Why would Controlling the Reapers suddenly seem like such a good idea? You didn't want to Control them for the last 40 hours of the game. Not at all, quite the opposite.

[FugitiveMind]

k8ee wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Afternoon all! Looks like I've got about 40+ pages to catch up on @_@ *gets reading*

lol, you're  back... as am I... and the place is a mess. If you find my post, I'd love to know what you think...

WB both of you... the last 40 pages is all old soup chewing

You can just pick up right here

[Elmogaming]

I cant bare the tension anymore

I WANT TO KNOW NOW BIOWARE! (please?)

[packardbell]

I just hope they drop that guardian crap. Harbinger needs to be the true adversary.

[Valk72]

KHReborn wrote...

I think Bioware forgot to play a RickRoll after this ending.

That's so true lool!

[kyrieee]

Zhuinden wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

I'm on board with the idea of Shepard's indoctrination while he lays unconscious at Harbinger's feet—seems obvious to me that Harbinger couldn't resist the opportunity—but I don't buy that the renegade/paragon options are flipped in the way some people are suggesting. That's obviously not the case in the confrontation with TIM, and besides, doesn't the suggestion fall apart in the case of a normally renegade Shepard?

How else can you justify that the highest point requirement for an ending is 5000+ for Destroy, with Shepard alive - before that is Synthesis with 3000 and below is Control with 2050 or so?
Why would Controlling the Reapers suddenly seem like such a good idea? You didn't want to Control them for the last 40 hours of the game. Not at all, quite the opposite.

Umm, you don't need 4k for destroy do you? You can get that ending without Shepard surviving I think.
I had like 3.3k EMS because I didn't play the MP at all and I chose destroy. Don't think Shepard lived, but I could be wrong because I was probably already pacing back and forth at that point.

[solidsnake78]

In the guide it states you need 4000 for Shep to live if you did "save" Anderson and 5000 if you didnt.

[Zhuinden]

kyrieee wrote...

Zhuinden wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

I'm on board with the idea of Shepard's indoctrination while he lays unconscious at Harbinger's feet—seems obvious to me that Harbinger couldn't resist the opportunity—but I don't buy that the renegade/paragon options are flipped in the way some people are suggesting. That's obviously not the case in the confrontation with TIM, and besides, doesn't the suggestion fall apart in the case of a normally renegade Shepard?

How else can you justify that the highest point requirement for an ending is 5000+ for Destroy, with Shepard alive - before that is Synthesis with 3000 and below is Control with 2050 or so?
Why would Controlling the Reapers suddenly seem like such a good idea? You didn't want to Control them for the last 40 hours of the game. Not at all, quite the opposite.

Umm, you don't need 4k for destroy do you? You can get that ending without Shepard surviving I think.
I had like 3.3k EMS because I didn't play the MP at all and I chose destroy. Don't think Shepard lived, but I could be wrong because I was probably already pacing back and forth at that point.

..yes, I was a bit inaccurate. You can get Destroy at a lower EMS, but that would make Shepard die.
Rating 4000-5000 - If Shepard destroys the Reapers and "saves" Anderson, Shepard
will also live as Earth is saved.
Rating 5000+ - If Shepard destroys the Reapers and does not "save" Anderson,
Shepard will also live as Earth is saved.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 11 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[k8ee]

@FugitiveMind
Did you watch/listen to that clipped out piece of dialogue between femshep and anderson a few pages back? Heart breaking.
Though if this was part of an original ending, wonder why they changed it?

[Sl4sh3r]

Compilation of info important to #RetakeMassEffect can be found...

http://social.biowar...9790553#9790553

Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 11 mars 2012 - 11:38 .

[TheDove]

If it -was- a hallucination, all I can say is that it was the most pointless, unnecessary act of 'storytelling' that I've ever seen. It serves absolutely no purpose for anyone.

Basically, if true, it goes as follows.

Shephard sees and hears things that don't exist, and makes decisions that don't actually do anything. The end.

See how bizarre that is? Even if it were the truth, which I highly, highly doubt, it wouldn't lessen the fact it was a horrible ending.

[xGhost4000x]

On a side note, anyone think they should have brought the Mako back for one last drive down the hill towards the beam.

I would have been a mirror of Mass Effect 1

I would have enjoyed that.

[Sierra163]

TheDove wrote...

If it -was- a hallucination, all I can say is that it was the most pointless, unnecessary act of 'storytelling' that I've ever seen. It serves absolutely no purpose for anyone.

Basically, if true, it goes as follows.

Shephard sees and hears things that don't exist, and makes decisions that don't actually do anything. The end.

See how bizarre that is? Even if it were the truth, which I highly, highly doubt, it wouldn't lessen the fact it was a horrible ending.

Except we're saying that we haven't seen the 'true' endings yet.