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[n00bsauce2010]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...



Go to 2:30 - pay attention for the alliance soldier helping up the injured civillian.

OKay...and now xD?

IF the alliance soldier is helping up the civillains then its pretty strong evidence that he would've done the same for the boy.. if he was real. but he isn't. People were saying the soldiers were worried about the reapers.. but obviously this soldier, and the lone soldier just standing inside the shuttle don't give a **** about he reapers. The boy isn't real is what I'm trying to say.

[Arian Dynas]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

3Minotaur3 wrote...

Also, why wait for the kid before closing the shuttle door? It's someone inside the shuttle (the pilot?) that can close the doors, not the soldiers outside. That means someone inside see the kid then tells the pilot to close the door, or one of the soldiers outside communicate with the pilot to close the door. Maybe the soldier banging the door with is fist, maybe not. And nothing can be heard because it was a zoomed point of view from Shepard...

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Go watch the video for that last sequence there. Pay attention. You'll notice a coupe of things.

The soldiers acknowledge the civillians and tell them to hurry on-board.

One of the soldiers is seen helping an injured civillian on board

There is a lone alliance soldier whos stance indicates he is facing outward and is able to see the general direction the boy is standing.. but he doesn't see the boy. If he did he would've rushed to help him.. but all other civillians were being attended to at the moment.

The very fact that one of the alliance soldiers is seen helping a civillian is pretty definitive evidence that the boy isn't real.

The boy can be seen struggling to get on board the shuttle, just like the injured civillian (who is helped up by a soldier)...that same soldier or possibily another one would've done the exact same thing and helped him up.. but he didn't.. because he isn't real.

Maybe that kid was real the first two times you see him.. but in the vent.. he is not. There are no abrubt vent noises indicating the boy is moving inside the vent after anderson interrupts (we know that general noise is what alerts sheperd that the boy is there in the first place) And the ludicrous dialogue he spews is more fuel to the fire - "Everyone's dieing and You can't save me" children just don't say that.

Also the two growls.. someone pointed out.. go through all channels.. i have surround sound and I can confirm. The reaper in the background doesn't go through all channels.

The very fact that no one ever acknowledges the boy seems to mean he isn't real. Soldiers number one priority is to ensure civillian safety.. and the fact that they disregard that boy and no one else ever sees him means it is inside shepards head.

Kid can't be real the first two times you see him.

First off we have a kid, playing, unsupervised, completely alone on the rooftop of a building on a military base.

Now some of you might not find this odd, but being a military brat myself I know for damn sure, no soldier worth his dog tags would eve allow his kid to do stuff like that, especially since, considering where Shepard was in relation to the kid, would have been either a high security/dangerous location area, considering he was a stone's throw from the Alliance meeting chambers.

Second, the kid running into the building? Yeah, moving faster the Speedy Gonzales, climbing a sheer, smooth metallic wall that even Husks were having difficulty scaling on their own? Goddamn , get that kid in the Olympics because he would be one hell of a rock climber.

I will be honest, first time playing the demo, I saw the kid in the vent and personally went "He aint there is he?" then, later I dismissed that guess. Doesn't seem so stupid now does it?

[Turbotanden]

About the kid in the vent, the first thing I did when I walked into that room was check the vent, since the door looked locked. No kid in there. Then he appears out of thin air, says creepy stuff, then disappears into thin air again. That scene is meant to make you wonder. Add that growl and it's quite obvious.

[FrostByte-GER]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...



Go to 2:30 - pay attention for the alliance soldier helping up the injured civillian.

OKay...and now xD?

IF the alliance soldier is helping up the civillains then its pretty strong evidence that he would've done the same for the boy.. if he was real. but he isn't. People were saying the soldiers were worried about the reapers.. but obviously this soldier, and the lone soldier just standing inside the shuttle don't give a **** about he reapers. The boy isn't real is what I'm trying to say.

Well...we discussed this on hundreds of pages here^^

[n00bsauce2010]

Arian Dynas wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

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Kid can't be real the first two times you see him.

First off we have a kid, playing, unsupervised, completely alone on the rooftop of a building on a military base.

Now some of you might not find this odd, but being a military brat myself I know for damn sure, no soldier worth his dog tags would eve allow his kid to do stuff like that, especially since, considering where Shepard was in relation to the kid, would have been either a high security/dangerous location area, considering he was a stone's throw from the Alliance meeting chambers.

Second, the kid running into the building? Yeah, moving faster the Speedy Gonzales, climbing a sheer, smooth metallic wall that even Husks were having difficulty scaling on their own? Goddamn , get that kid in the Olympics because he would be one hell of a rock climber.

I will be honest, first time playing the demo, I saw the kid in the vent and personally went "He aint there is he?" then, later I dismissed that guess. Doesn't seem so stupid now does it?

Your point is the same one I was trying to make. I said maybe he was real the first two times *maybe* but that is a stretch in itself.

If you're a military brat.. can you confirm that any soldier would gladly risk their life for a civillian rather than just sit there and let the boy climb up on his own on that escape shuttle?

[PoisonMushroom]

kilgorek wrote...

This. The ending with Star-Kid actually reminds me of The Custom House introduction to Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter. Throughout that opening, Hawthorne actually admits several times that he is an unreliable narrator and the story he's telling may not actually be true at all. Basically, do not take anything in the following story at face value. Some people tend to miss that though. That is what I think of when the Star-Kid is talking. What he says is so non-sensical it's like he's waving at the player and yelling "I'm full of ****! Do not listen to a word I say!"

I've never read The Scarlet Letter but I might look into it and see if I can use it. Anyway, yeah, it does fit really well. Bioware has missed its chance to really pull off the unreliable narration thing well now, in my opinion. If they release DLC and it was all indoctrination, then we've completely lost our 'holy sh*t, I'm so glad I chose destroy' moment, in favour of a tacked on 'what-if' scenario. A massive shame.

[Arian Dynas]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

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Kid can't be real the first two times you see him.

First off we have a kid, playing, unsupervised, completely alone on the rooftop of a building on a military base.

Now some of you might not find this odd, but being a military brat myself I know for damn sure, no soldier worth his dog tags would eve allow his kid to do stuff like that, especially since, considering where Shepard was in relation to the kid, would have been either a high security/dangerous location area, considering he was a stone's throw from the Alliance meeting chambers.

Second, the kid running into the building? Yeah, moving faster the Speedy Gonzales, climbing a sheer, smooth metallic wall that even Husks were having difficulty scaling on their own? Goddamn , get that kid in the Olympics because he would be one hell of a rock climber.

I will be honest, first time playing the demo, I saw the kid in the vent and personally went "He aint there is he?" then, later I dismissed that guess. Doesn't seem so stupid now does it?

Your point is the same one I was trying to make. I said maybe he was real the first two times *maybe* but that is a stretch in itself.

If you're a military brat.. can you confirm that any soldier would gladly risk their life for a civillian rather than just sit there and let the boy climb up on his own on that escape shuttle?

Hmm... well I can't vouch for the moral character of anyone, and personally where say, my own father in that position and I were still 9 years old, stuck in the middle of the apocalypse, he most certainly would pull me up, another kid? Maybe, for the simple fact of basic humanity, which hey, is one of the themes here. Your average soldier? Offhand I'd say yes, barely any effort on the soldier's part, with little to no risk to him, in fact reducing risk by allowing the shuttle to get off faster, then yes, your average marine would probably give the kid a hand, or even just grab him entirely to move things along. But as I said, I can't vouch for every soldier in the military, especially one, 200 years from now.

PoisonMushroom wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

This. The ending with Star-Kid actually reminds me of The Custom House introduction to Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter.Throughout that opening, Hawthorne actually admits several times that he is an unreliable narrator and the story he's telling may not actually be true at all. Basically, do not take anything in the following story at face value. Some people tend to miss that though. That is what I think of when the Star-Kid is talking. What he says is so non-sensical it's like he's waving at the player and yelling "I'm full of ****! Do not listen to a word I say!"

I've never read The Scarlet Letter but I might look into it and see if I can use it. Anyway, yeah, it does fit really well. Bioware has missed its chance to really pull off the unreliable narration thing well now, in my opinion. If they release DLC and it was all indoctrination, then we've completely lost our 'holy sh*t, I'm so glad I chose destroy' moment, in favour of a tacked on 'what-if' scenario. A massive shame.

 

Oogh... don't bother with Hawthorne, most boring author I ever read (first 160 pages in FLASHBACK? REALLY? GODDAMN. A CHAPTER DESCRIBING A TABLE!? WHAT!?) but that's just my opinion, love the "False Crisis" concept though.

As for losing it in the future... eh. Look at it this way, it was earthshattering when it came out, but by the time Empire Strikes Back left theatures, everyone and their grandmother knew Vader was Luke's father. This is what is the consequence of pop culture man. DLC will make this ending as is inconsiquential in a year or so, but we'll have had the experience now, and Bioware will have made a considerable dent in the collective pop culture.

Besides, I got hit by another idea, I can recall that the Mass Effect movie coming out has fluctuated between having a plot that follows game 1, and an unrelated plot. If it follows the unrelated plot, what's say that it comes after the end of ME3? Can't work with the current endings, but it does with IDT, but then I could just be talking out of my ass.

*phhhbt!*

Yeah... probably talking out of my ass.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 01 avril 2012 - 11:55 .

[Derp88]

http://www.amazon.co...&pf_rd_i=468294

Ouch. This can't be good for Bioware. Just makes you think whether this whole "ending" debacle was really worth it. I stil have faith they have a trick up their sleeve though!

[n00bsauce2010]

Derp88 wrote...

http://www.amazon.co...&pf_rd_i=468294

Ouch. This can't be good for Bioware. Just makes you think whether this whole "ending" debacle was really worth it. I stil have faith they have a trick up their sleeve though!

Yeah its just a price cut. It makes sense. In the USA it is only 10$ off the 60$ original price tag.

[PoisonMushroom]

Derp88 wrote...
 I stil have faith they have a trick up their sleeve though!

I agree but the whole thing's still going to leave a bitter taste.

[Derp88]

Nah the item is under review. Amazon.co.uk aren't selling it at the moment because a customer complained the product he or she received was not as described.

[n00bsauce2010]

Derp88 wrote...

Nah the item is under review. Amazon.co.uk aren't selling it at the moment because a customer complained the product he or she received was not as described.

lol...

[Derp88]

"A rich, branching storyline: Experience a sci-fi epic with multiple endings determined by your choices and actions throughout the game"

What's the bet this was the part of the description that was challenged?

[Cucobr]

Derp88 wrote...

http://www.amazon.co...&pf_rd_i=468294

Ouch. This can't be good for Bioware. Just makes you think whether this whole "ending" debacle was really worth it. I stil have faith they have a trick up their sleeve though!

  ''because a customer recently told us that the item he or she received was not as described. ''


   

[Dwailing]

Derp88 wrote...

"A rich, branching storyline: Experience a sci-fi epic with multiple endings determined by your choices and actions throughout the game"

What's the bet this was the part of the description that was challenged?

I'd lay 50 credits on it.  You know, just enough for a sucky gun on Omega.

[kilgorek]

Arian Dynas wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

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Kid can't be real the first two times you see him.

First off we have a kid, playing, unsupervised, completely alone on the rooftop of a building on a military base.

Now some of you might not find this odd, but being a military brat myself I know for damn sure, no soldier worth his dog tags would eve allow his kid to do stuff like that, especially since, considering where Shepard was in relation to the kid, would have been either a high security/dangerous location area, considering he was a stone's throw from the Alliance meeting chambers.

Second, the kid running into the building? Yeah, moving faster the Speedy Gonzales, climbing a sheer, smooth metallic wall that even Husks were having difficulty scaling on their own? Goddamn , get that kid in the Olympics because he would be one hell of a rock climber.

I will be honest, first time playing the demo, I saw the kid in the vent and personally went "He aint there is he?" then, later I dismissed that guess. Doesn't seem so stupid now does it?

Your point is the same one I was trying to make. I said maybe he was real the first two times *maybe* but that is a stretch in itself.

If you're a military brat.. can you confirm that any soldier would gladly risk their life for a civillian rather than just sit there and let the boy climb up on his own on that escape shuttle?

Hmm... well I can't vouch for the moral character of anyone, and personally where say, my own father in that position and I were still 9 years old, stuck in the middle of the apocalypse, he most certainly would pull me up, another kid? Maybe, for the simple fact of basic humanity, which hey, is one of the themes here. Your average soldier? Offhand I'd say yes, barely any effort on the soldier's part, with little to no risk to him, in fact reducing risk by allowing the shuttle to get off faster, then yes, your average marine would probably give the kid a hand, or even just grab him entirely to move things along. But as I said, I can't vouch for every soldier in the military, especially one, 200 years from now.

PoisonMushroom wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

This. The ending with Star-Kid actually reminds me of The Custom House introduction to Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter.Throughout that opening, Hawthorne actually admits several times that he is an unreliable narrator and the story he's telling may not actually be true at all. Basically, do not take anything in the following story at face value. Some people tend to miss that though. That is what I think of when the Star-Kid is talking. What he says is so non-sensical it's like he's waving at the player and yelling "I'm full of ****! Do not listen to a word I say!"

I've never read The Scarlet Letter but I might look into it and see if I can use it. Anyway, yeah, it does fit really well. Bioware has missed its chance to really pull off the unreliable narration thing well now, in my opinion. If they release DLC and it was all indoctrination, then we've completely lost our 'holy sh*t, I'm so glad I chose destroy' moment, in favour of a tacked on 'what-if' scenario. A massive shame.

 

Oogh... don't bother with Hawthorne, most boring author I ever read (first 160 pages in FLASHBACK? REALLY? GODDAMN. A CHAPTER DESCRIBING A TABLE!? WHAT!?) but that's just my opinion, love the "False Crisis" concept though.

As for losing it in the future... eh. Look at it this way, it was earthshattering when it came out, but by the time Empire Strikes Back left theatures, everyone and their grandmother knew Vader was Luke's father. This is what is the consequence of pop culture man. DLC will make this ending as is inconsiquential in a year or so, but we'll have had the experience now, and Bioware will have made a considerable dent in the collective pop culture.

Besides, I got hit by another idea, I can recall that the Mass Effect movie coming out has fluctuated between having a plot that follows game 1, and an unrelated plot. If it follows the unrelated plot, what's say that it comes after the end of ME3? Can't work with the current endings, but it does with IDT, but then I could just be talking out of my ass.

*phhhbt!*

Yeah... probably talking out of my ass.

All of that was intentional by the author though. He was trying to hammer it into your head that you shouldn't take his story at face value. But, of course people still read it literally. That was the point I was trying to make with the Star-Kid.

[Arian Dynas]

kilgorek wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

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Kid can't be real the first two times you see him.

First off we have a kid, playing, unsupervised, completely alone on the rooftop of a building on a military base.

Now some of you might not find this odd, but being a military brat myself I know for damn sure, no soldier worth his dog tags would eve allow his kid to do stuff like that, especially since, considering where Shepard was in relation to the kid, would have been either a high security/dangerous location area, considering he was a stone's throw from the Alliance meeting chambers.

Second, the kid running into the building? Yeah, moving faster the Speedy Gonzales, climbing a sheer, smooth metallic wall that even Husks were having difficulty scaling on their own? Goddamn , get that kid in the Olympics because he would be one hell of a rock climber.

I will be honest, first time playing the demo, I saw the kid in the vent and personally went "He aint there is he?" then, later I dismissed that guess. Doesn't seem so stupid now does it?

Your point is the same one I was trying to make. I said maybe he was real the first two times *maybe* but that is a stretch in itself.

If you're a military brat.. can you confirm that any soldier would gladly risk their life for a civillian rather than just sit there and let the boy climb up on his own on that escape shuttle?

Hmm... well I can't vouch for the moral character of anyone, and personally where say, my own father in that position and I were still 9 years old, stuck in the middle of the apocalypse, he most certainly would pull me up, another kid? Maybe, for the simple fact of basic humanity, which hey, is one of the themes here. Your average soldier? Offhand I'd say yes, barely any effort on the soldier's part, with little to no risk to him, in fact reducing risk by allowing the shuttle to get off faster, then yes, your average marine would probably give the kid a hand, or even just grab him entirely to move things along. But as I said, I can't vouch for every soldier in the military, especially one, 200 years from now.

PoisonMushroom wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

This. The ending with Star-Kid actually reminds me of The Custom House introduction to Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter.Throughout that opening, Hawthorne actually admits several times that he is an unreliable narrator and the story he's telling may not actually be true at all. Basically, do not take anything in the following story at face value. Some people tend to miss that though. That is what I think of when the Star-Kid is talking. What he says is so non-sensical it's like he's waving at the player and yelling "I'm full of ****! Do not listen to a word I say!"

I've never read The Scarlet Letter but I might look into it and see if I can use it. Anyway, yeah, it does fit really well. Bioware has missed its chance to really pull off the unreliable narration thing well now, in my opinion. If they release DLC and it was all indoctrination, then we've completely lost our 'holy sh*t, I'm so glad I chose destroy' moment, in favour of a tacked on 'what-if' scenario. A massive shame.

 

Oogh... don't bother with Hawthorne, most boring author I ever read (first 160 pages in FLASHBACK? REALLY? GODDAMN. A CHAPTER DESCRIBING A TABLE!? WHAT!?) but that's just my opinion, love the "False Crisis" concept though.

As for losing it in the future... eh. Look at it this way, it was earthshattering when it came out, but by the time Empire Strikes Back left theatures, everyone and their grandmother knew Vader was Luke's father. This is what is the consequence of pop culture man. DLC will make this ending as is inconsiquential in a year or so, but we'll have had the experience now, and Bioware will have made a considerable dent in the collective pop culture.

Besides, I got hit by another idea, I can recall that the Mass Effect movie coming out has fluctuated between having a plot that follows game 1, and an unrelated plot. If it follows the unrelated plot, what's say that it comes after the end of ME3? Can't work with the current endings, but it does with IDT, but then I could just be talking out of my ass.

*phhhbt!*

Yeah... probably talking out of my ass.

All of that was intentional by the author though. He was trying to hammer it into your head that you shouldn't take his story at face value. But, of course people still read it literally. That was the point I was trying to make with the Star-Kid.

Oh I know it was intentional. Didn't stop it from being goddam boring though.

[savagejuicebox]

Arian Dynas wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

!

Kid can't be real the first two times you see him.

First off we have a kid, playing, unsupervised, completely alone on the rooftop of a building on a military base.

Now some of you might not find this odd, but being a military brat myself I know for damn sure, no soldier worth his dog tags would eve allow his kid to do stuff like that, especially since, considering where Shepard was in relation to the kid, would have been either a high security/dangerous location area, considering he was a stone's throw from the Alliance meeting chambers.

Second, the kid running into the building? Yeah, moving faster the Speedy Gonzales, climbing a sheer, smooth metallic wall that even Husks were having difficulty scaling on their own? Goddamn , get that kid in the Olympics because he would be one hell of a rock climber.

I will be honest, first time playing the demo, I saw the kid in the vent and personally went "He aint there is he?" then, later I dismissed that guess. Doesn't seem so stupid now does it?

Your point is the same one I was trying to make. I said maybe he was real the first two times *maybe* but that is a stretch in itself.

If you're a military brat.. can you confirm that any soldier would gladly risk their life for a civillian rather than just sit there and let the boy climb up on his own on that escape shuttle?

Hmm... well I can't vouch for the moral character of anyone, and personally where say, my own father in that position and I were still 9 years old, stuck in the middle of the apocalypse, he most certainly would pull me up, another kid? Maybe, for the simple fact of basic humanity, which hey, is one of the themes here. Your average soldier? Offhand I'd say yes, barely any effort on the soldier's part, with little to no risk to him, in fact reducing risk by allowing the shuttle to get off faster, then yes, your average marine would probably give the kid a hand, or even just grab him entirely to move things along. But as I said, I can't vouch for every soldier in the military, especially one, 200 years from now.

PoisonMushroom wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

This. The ending with Star-Kid actually reminds me of The Custom House introduction to Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter.Throughout that opening, Hawthorne actually admits several times that he is an unreliable narrator and the story he's telling may not actually be true at all. Basically, do not take anything in the following story at face value. Some people tend to miss that though. That is what I think of when the Star-Kid is talking. What he says is so non-sensical it's like he's waving at the player and yelling "I'm full of ****! Do not listen to a word I say!"

I've never read The Scarlet Letter but I might look into it and see if I can use it. Anyway, yeah, it does fit really well. Bioware has missed its chance to really pull off the unreliable narration thing well now, in my opinion. If they release DLC and it was all indoctrination, then we've completely lost our 'holy sh*t, I'm so glad I chose destroy' moment, in favour of a tacked on 'what-if' scenario. A massive shame.

 

Oogh... don't bother with Hawthorne, most boring author I ever read (first 160 pages in FLASHBACK? REALLY? GODDAMN. A CHAPTER DESCRIBING A TABLE!? WHAT!?) but that's just my opinion, love the "False Crisis" concept though.

As for losing it in the future... eh. Look at it this way, it was earthshattering when it came out, but by the time Empire Strikes Back left theatures, everyone and their grandmother knew Vader was Luke's father. This is what is the consequence of pop culture man. DLC will make this ending as is inconsiquential in a year or so, but we'll have had the experience now, and Bioware will have made a considerable dent in the collective pop culture.

Besides, I got hit by another idea, I can recall that the Mass Effect movie coming out has fluctuated between having a plot that follows game 1, and an unrelated plot. If it follows the unrelated plot, what's say that it comes after the end of ME3? Can't work with the current endings, but it does with IDT, but then I could just be talking out of my ass.

*phhhbt!*

Yeah... probably talking out of my ass.

All of that was intentional by the author though. He was trying to hammer it into your head that you shouldn't take his story at face value. But, of course people still read it literally. That was the point I was trying to make with the Star-Kid.

Oh I know it was intentional. Didn't stop it from being goddam boring though.

Intentional he said, gahdamn boring  I said...

[LiarasShield]

DuskRose wrote...

AIR MOORE wrote...

If Shep was being Indoctrinated since the start of the game, Javik almost certainly would have sensed this when he touched Shep and read out everything he was feeling. They may say it started then, and it's just bad writing, it should occur sometime AFTER Javik "reads" Shep.

I say this because he was especially in-tune with the reapers (considering this is how they took down his galaxy, with indoc agents.) We can surmise that these agents known of their own powers and thus did not allow themselves to be touched by others to get a good read, or that they somehow quarantined this power away in certain parts of their body (similar to what Matriach B. did with her mind, but on a grander scale).

Bottom line is the only way for indoctrination to occur is after this scene with Javik... unless IT theorists come back to this is "HOW SLOW IT GOES MATTERS!?!" Well where are we getting this from? Where does it say how slow it occurs would have any impact upon how Javik (and to a lesser extent the Prothean VI) can sense this occurring. In other words, the writing simply never states that Javik who can seem to sense everything, would be able to overlook and miss this (especially since he is so in-tune with the reapers and their ability to have agents, you would think he would look for this specifically in Shep, knowing his place in the galactic lines.)

Sure you can "speculate" going slow can slip it under Javiks radar, but no where does the writing say that this is true, that the level and speed of indoc matter to Javiks ability to sense anything. He sensed everything about Grunt from an overhauled ship. (I've already covered why with his OWN people it's much easier to see why they could miss it). All is pure speculation. They would have to offer some reasonable explanation why he missed it (and to a lesser extent the VI) in the DLC.

(Commence IT theorists insanity and rage!)

Note: I've made other threads on this issue to let us know how to tell if this INDOC was planned VS not planned.

I'm believing it's a self-fulfilling prophecy or sorts (term used loosely).

Here's my opinion on the nature of Indoctrination and how it works: (I'm typing on a broken keyboard so I'm going to speak generally instead of specifically)
There are two methods for how Reapers take control of organics: 1) Physically (See Husks) and 2) Mentally (See Matriarch Benezia)

To get greatest control while allowing a person to keep some of their independence, they combine the two, (See Saren and TIMmy)

For (1) they use the things like nanites and implants to directly control a person's actions. These, of course, also most likely emit signals that feed #2, which could be what the Prothean VI's detect.

For (2) they use more subtle things, like noises, in order to create what I like to think of as an extracorporeally inflicted schizophrenia-like disorder. The hallucinations, changes in thinking and emotions, as well as alterations in personality point to an organic disorder instigated by the Reapers. It would be nearly impossible to tell the difference. And given the fact that it has different severities in different people... it'd be next to impossible to detect. Now think about how Javik and Vigil talk about some Protheans came in as sleeper agents... 

I Agree with and this also brings up a point remember in the arrival dlc when they knocked shepard out and had him or her on lab table they could've put implants in his or her brain to slowly start the indoctrination but still have shepard be the way that he or she usually is but I don't know I may be reading too much into it

[kilgorek]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Oh I know it was intentional. Didn't stop it from being goddam boring though.

It was very carefully written. But, yeah, I can understand if you found it boring. It's really a story that's not meant to be read so much as analyzed.

[Eshaye]

LiarasShield wrote...


I Agree with and this also brings up a point remember in the arrival dlc when they knocked shepard out and had him or her on lab table they could've put implants in his or her brain to slowly start the indoctrination but still have shepard be the way that he or she usually is but I don't know I may be reading too much into it

It's not even necessary to implant Shepard since Shep's brain is already modified by the Prothean beacon. Who's to say that how Protheans and Asari communicate isn't based on Reaper Indoctrination methods. Would make a lot of sense, it's a good way to prep advanced species able to communicate this way to become easily indoctrinated, just need a little nudge nudge and perhaps the effects would be subtle enough to be undectectable.. 

Yes? 

[Arian Dynas]

kilgorek wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Oh I know it was intentional. Didn't stop it from being goddam boring though.

It was very carefully written. But, yeah, I can understand if you found it boring. It's really a story that's not meant to be read so much as analyzed.

I only spend time analyzing stories that I give a damn about, hence why I am here, rather than discussing classic literature.

[n00bsauce2010]

The only problem is that the arrival events are not related to shepard in all cases. Only if you complete the arrival dlc do shepard and anderson talk about the events. I just tried this.. uploaded a save without doing it and no talk about the arrival

[waldstr18]

does anyone know where i can get an illusive man background without the illusive man in it? i want just the red sun in a picture.