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[Derp88]

I'm sorry but some people in this thread are being very hypocritical. You advocate the exercise of civil discussion, then just outright insult anyone (usually with sarcasm) who comes in here and expresses their opinion and (sometimes) valid reasons on why they think the theory is weak.

I'm not saying the anti- ITers are always level-headed and looking for a civil, well thought debate, but seriously, if you think they're just trolling, ignore them. Rise above it.

Trolls just want attention anyway. Starve them of that and funnily enough they'll get bored.

[Rob Psyence]

DuskRose wrote...

So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.

Well physically the reaper signals interfere with the electrical activity of the brain which in real life has been proven to make people see things/hallucinate. (There's something called a "god helmet" that uses magnetic waves to a certain part of the brain to make people "see god")

Modifié par Rob Psyence, 02 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[n00bsauce2010]

DuskRose wrote...

So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.

I would think when TIM brings back sheperd and puts tech inside of him.

Could possibly be arrival dlc. But i still don't know if the events are canon in relation to sheperds story.

Duskrose- just a quick through- someone presented all of the datapads from the arrival dlc.
One of the scientists on that base talks about having dreams similar to shepards. So I think we can definitely say that indoctrination process includes dreams. And since the codex states that it influences the limbic system (which is broad) the limbic system ultimately includes the brain and brain stem (which affect memory sleep and dreams)

It could just be a slow indoctrination process starting from ME1.. but then again the fact that he died and was brought back.. idn if it would've held.

[byne]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.

I would think when TIM brings back sheperd and puts tech inside of him.

Could possibly be arrival dlc. But i still don't know if the events are canon in relation to sheperds story.

Duskrose- just a quick through- someone presented all of the datapads from the arrival dlc.
One of the scientists on that base talks about having dreams similar to shepards. So I think we can definitely say that indoctrination process includes dreams. And since the codex states that it influences the limbic system (which is broad) the limbic system ultimately includes the brain and brain stem (which affect memory sleep and dreams)

It could just be a slow indoctrination process starting from ME1.. but then again the fact that he died and was brought back.. idn if it would've held.

To be fair, TIM didnt bring back Shepard, Miranda did, and I'm sure if there was any Reaper tech inserted, she'd know about it, and would have told us.

[ynh]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.

I would think when TIM brings back sheperd and puts tech inside of him.

Could possibly be arrival dlc. But i still don't know if the events are canon in relation to sheperds story.

Duskrose- just a quick through- someone presented all of the datapads from the arrival dlc.
One of the scientists on that base talks about having dreams similar to shepards. So I think we can definitely say that indoctrination process includes dreams. And since the codex states that it influences the limbic system (which is broad) the limbic system ultimately includes the brain and brain stem (which affect memory sleep and dreams)

It could just be a slow indoctrination process starting from ME1.. but then again the fact that he died and was brought back.. idn if it would've held.

If you are saying the indoctrination process reset after Shepard's death, I agree. 

[balance5050]

ynh wrote...

You guys arguing are gonna get this thread locked. Quit feeding the troll(s).

You have a point, but this is probably bioware's favorite thread on the citadel.

[n00bsauce2010]

The confirmation I'm still waiting on is whether or not the arrival dlc events can be linked to Shepard no matter what. If it's the case then we can probably assume is the object rho.

[byne]

balance5050 wrote...

ynh wrote...

You guys arguing are gonna get this thread locked. Quit feeding the troll(s).

You have a point, but this is probably bioware's favorite thread on the citadel.

Plus, if arguing could get this thread locked, I figure it'd have happened by now. Its not like this is the first time anyone has argued in the thread.

[ynh]

DuskRose wrote...

ynh wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.

There is a whole article on it here.

Essentially, you need to be exposed to Reaper materials (such as artifacts). These artifacts generated fields that slowly change an organic's thinking to be sympathetic towards whatever the Reaper wants.

Note that Shepard has quite a large amount of contact with Reaper style materials (the largest being Object Rho).

Yeah, but HOW do the fields change organic's thinking?

Rob Psyence wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.

Well physically the reaper signals interfere with the electrical activity of the brain which in real life has been proven to make people see things/hallucinate. (There's something called a "god helmet" that uses magnetic waves to a certain part of the brain to make people "see god")

Fair enough, but indoc lasts basically for forever, even if the person leaves Reaper artifacts behind. Why?

@n00b: I think TIM would've been very anti-Reaper tech in Shepard

I am not sure. I don't think the series ever talks about how it is done. all I can remember is them talking about the symptoms.

[n00bsauce2010]

balance5050 wrote...

ynh wrote...

You guys arguing are gonna get this thread locked. Quit feeding the troll(s).

You have a point, but this is probably bioware's favorite thread on the citadel.

+1. I know Jessica likes it.

[byne]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

The confirmation I'm still waiting on is whether or not the arrival dlc events can be linked to Shepard no matter what. If it's the case then we can probably assume is the object rho.

If you didnt do the Arrival DLC Shep mentions that it was the Alliance who blew up the Relay when you talk to that injured Batarian.


Also, theres this from the War Assets if you dont do Arrival:

UPDATED (Only if the player has not completed the Arrival DLC for Mass Effect 2)

Military Strength: -50
Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Modifié par byne, 02 avril 2012 - 03:56 .

[n00bsauce2010]

DuskRose wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

The confirmation I'm still waiting on is whether or not the arrival dlc events can be linked to Shepard no matter what. If it's the case then we can probably assume is the object rho.

It can't

hmm..ok. So then I'm not sure.

The only thing I can think of is speculation. Shepards growing awareness of the reality that he cannot save everyone allows a weekness to show inside of him.. and in that case it would be the start of ME3 with the boy.

It could possibly be with Kaidan or Ashley (whichever you chose) since he mentions one or the other after the first dream. That seems to be the most notable tragic event that he faces up until mass effect 3. Other than his own death.

Edit final: I'm going with Kaidan or Ashley's death. The most tragic event up until mass effect 3 for shepard. The one that seems to stay with him the most.

Modifié par n00bsauce2010, 02 avril 2012 - 03:57 .

[Rob Psyence]

DuskRose wrote...

ynh wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.

There is a whole article on it here.

Essentially, you need to be exposed to Reaper materials (such as artifacts). These artifacts generated fields that slowly change an organic's thinking to be sympathetic towards whatever the Reaper wants.

Note that Shepard has quite a large amount of contact with Reaper style materials (the largest being Object Rho).

Yeah, but HOW do the fields change organic's thinking?

Rob Psyence wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.

Well physically the reaper signals interfere with the electrical activity of the brain which in real life has been proven to make people see things/hallucinate. (There's something called a "god helmet" that uses magnetic waves to a certain part of the brain to make people "see god")

Fair enough, but indoc lasts basically for forever, even if the person leaves Reaper artifacts behind. Why?

@n00b: I think TIM would've been very anti-Reaper tech in Shepard

Well Im not completely sure but one of the things involved is most definitely mental suggestion used in tandem with a great deal of deception to make the victim think any thoughts they make are completely manifested on their own. It may be possible for reapers to hone into an individual's brain wave signal and send their own signal from a great distance away to keep sending suggestions but on a weaker level.

[BinaryHelix101]

ConVito wrote...

I'm holding you to that. Victory is sweeter when rubbed in the face of a douchebag.

Nice quote, I think I may hold on to that for future usage in other areas of life.

[GBGriffin]

  

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
 And if you can find an argument other than it's all speculation I'd like to see it.

 

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
Especially people who dismiss any discussioon because it is "speculation." 

 

n00bsauce2010 wrote...


hmm..ok. So then I'm not sure.

The only thing I can think of is speculation. 

Wait...what?

[balance5050]

byne wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

The confirmation I'm still waiting on is whether or not the arrival dlc events can be linked to Shepard no matter what. If it's the case then we can probably assume is the object rho.

If you didnt do the Arrival DLC Shep mentions that it was the Alliance who blew up the Relay when you talk to that injured Batarian.

Arrival cannot be for sure connected, but I think that it is what's canon. However, if you include the derilict ship, the fact that the Normandy was upgraded with reaper tech by Cerberus, and the immense amount of reaper tech found in ME3 (you can study reaper tech at Glyph's console for crying out loud) I think there is enough of it around to do the job with or without Arrival.

[n00bsauce2010]

Ok so what tragic events can we list that are canon to shepards life? Things that everyone playing the mass effect series will go through.

Mass effect 2 squad member deaths don't count because you can prevent anyone from being killed.

[balance5050]

GBGriffin wrote...

  

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
 And if you can find an argument other than it's all speculation I'd like to see it.

 

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
Especially people who dismiss any discussioon because it is "speculation." 

 

n00bsauce2010 wrote...


hmm..ok. So then I'm not sure.

The only thing I can think of is speculation. 

Wait...what?

Out of text quotes is the slimiest way to debate, I thought you went to bed? 

Modifié par balance5050, 02 avril 2012 - 04:03 .

[GBGriffin]

balance5050 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

  

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
 And if you can find an argument other than it's all speculation I'd like to see it.

 

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
Especially people who dismiss any discussioon because it is "speculation." 

 

n00bsauce2010 wrote...


hmm..ok. So then I'm not sure.

The only thing I can think of is speculation. 

Out of text quotes is the slimiest way to debate, I thought you went to bed?
Wait...what?

I'm sorry, but pro-IT or not, that's hilarious.

I was saving space. Let me go edit in the full quotes. Or, I can create a new post, whichever you feel is more appropriate.

[lex0r11]

What's with all the hate in this thread? Where did the love go?

You guys are making David cry.