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balance5050 wrote...
GBGriffin wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
And if you can find an argument other than it's all speculation I'd like to see it.n00bsauce2010 wrote...
Especially people who dismiss any discussioon because it is "speculation."n00bsauce2010 wrote...
hmm..ok. So then I'm not sure.
The only thing I can think of is speculation.
Wait...what?
Out of text quotes is the slimiest way to debate, I thought you went to bed?
balance5050 wrote...
GBGriffin wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
And if you can find an argument other than it's all speculation I'd like to see it.n00bsauce2010 wrote...
Especially people who dismiss any discussioon because it is "speculation."n00bsauce2010 wrote...
hmm..ok. So then I'm not sure.
The only thing I can think of is speculation.
Wait...what?
Out of text quotes is the slimiest way to debate, I thought you went to bed?
Modifié par n00bsauce2010, 02 avril 2012 - 04:06 .
Rob Psyence wrote...
DuskRose wrote...
ynh wrote...
DuskRose wrote...
So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.
There is a whole article on it here.
Essentially, you need to be exposed to Reaper materials (such as artifacts). These artifacts generated fields that slowly change an organic's thinking to be sympathetic towards whatever the Reaper wants.
Note that Shepard has quite a large amount of contact with Reaper style materials (the largest being Object Rho).
Yeah, but HOW do the fields change organic's thinking?Rob Psyence wrote...
DuskRose wrote...
So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.
Well physically the reaper signals interfere with the electrical activity of the brain which in real life has been proven to make people see things/hallucinate. (There's something called a "god helmet" that uses magnetic waves to a certain part of the brain to make people "see god")
Fair enough, but indoc lasts basically for forever, even if the person leaves Reaper artifacts behind. Why?
@n00b: I think TIM would've been very anti-Reaper tech in Shepard
Well Im not completely sure but one of the things involved is most definitely mental suggestion used in tandem with a great deal of deception to make the victim think any thoughts they make are completely manifested on their own. It may be possible for reapers to hone into an individual's brain wave signal and send their own signal from a great distance away to keep sending suggestions but on a weaker level.
GBGriffin wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
GBGriffin wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
And if you can find an argument other than it's all speculation I'd like to see it.n00bsauce2010 wrote...
Especially people who dismiss any discussioon because it is "speculation."n00bsauce2010 wrote...
hmm..ok. So then I'm not sure.
The only thing I can think of is speculation.
Out of text quotes is the slimiest way to debate, I thought you went to bed?
Wait...what?
I'm sorry, but pro-IT or not, that's hilarious.
I was saving space. Let me go edit in the full quotes. Or, I can create a new post, whichever you feel is more appropriate.
Guest_DuskRose_*
Modifié par DuskRose, 02 avril 2012 - 04:07 .
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
GBGriffin just admit you have a massive hardon for ID theorists.
DuskRose wrote...
ynh wrote...
DuskRose wrote...
ynh wrote...
DuskRose wrote...
So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.
There is a whole article on it here.
Essentially, you need to be exposed to Reaper materials (such as artifacts). These artifacts generated fields that slowly change an organic's thinking to be sympathetic towards whatever the Reaper wants.
Note that Shepard has quite a large amount of contact with Reaper style materials (the largest being Object Rho).
Yeah, but HOW do the fields change organic's thinking?Rob Psyence wrote...
DuskRose wrote...
So, I've got a quick question to get us back on topic: How do you think indoctrination actually takes place? Like the mechanics of it? I think answering that question helps pave the way for stronger support for IT.
Well physically the reaper signals interfere with the electrical activity of the brain which in real life has been proven to make people see things/hallucinate. (There's something called a "god helmet" that uses magnetic waves to a certain part of the brain to make people "see god")
Fair enough, but indoc lasts basically for forever, even if the person leaves Reaper artifacts behind. Why?
@n00b: I think TIM would've been very anti-Reaper tech in Shepard
I am not sure. I don't think the series ever talks about how it is done. all I can remember is them talking about the symptoms.
Alright, this is the last time I'll post this, promise, but I think the implications of my idea actually can prove/tie together several things for IT. (Plus no one commented on how brilliant I am.< --Kidding)There are two methods for how Reapers take control of organics: 1) Physically (See Husks) and 2) Mentally (See Matriarch Benezia)
To get greatest control while allowing a person to keep some of their independence, they combine the two, (See Saren and TIMmy)
For (2) they use more subtle things, like noises, in order to create what I like to think of as an extracorporeally inflicted schizophrenia-like disorder. The hallucinations, changes in thinking and emotions, as well as alterations in personality point to an organic disorder instigated by the Reapers. It would be nearly impossible to tell the difference. And given the fact that it has different severities in different people... it'd be next to impossible to detect. Now think about how Javik and Vigil talk about some Protheans came in as sleeper agents...
If that's the case, think about how insidious indoc really is, if it's an engineered mental disorder. Think about how times of stress affect those who have mental issues in RL, and then match that up to how quick indoc can spread, or how it can lay dormant for years.
balance5050 wrote...
Unless you are bringing up a logical anti or pro indoctrination argument, I would prefer it if you go back to the "intoxication theory" thread.
GBGriffin wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Unless you are bringing up a logical anti or pro indoctrination argument, I would prefer it if you go back to the "intoxication theory" thread.
That's a fair enough point, and one that I will indulge.
It is logical to assume that the ending was rushed and that, while true indoctrination may have been on the table at some point, it was scrapped along with the mechanic. This theory would support leaving in evidence that they simply didn't want to redo for time or financial constraints.
Or is that not logical?
byne wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
GBGriffin just admit you have a massive hardon for ID theorists.
He used to be one himself.
He's like those 'ex-gay' Christians, who constantly talk about how wrong gay sex is, even though they used to participate in it.
Guest_DuskRose_*
GBGriffin wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Unless you are bringing up a logical anti or pro indoctrination argument, I would prefer it if you go back to the "intoxication theory" thread.
That's a fair enough point, and one that I will indulge.
It is logical to assume that the ending was rushed and that, while true indoctrination may have been on the table at some point, it was scrapped along with the mechanic. This theory would support leaving in evidence that they simply didn't want to redo for time or financial constraints.
Or is that not logical?
BluSoldier wrote...
Guys, as much as I support this theory, some of our posts make us look like jerks. Please keep it civil.
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
byne wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
GBGriffin just admit you have a massive hardon for ID theorists.
He used to be one himself.
He's like those 'ex-gay' Christians, who constantly talk about how wrong gay sex is, even though they used to participate in it.
lol.. well..that isn't the best example. I'd say a better one is the "high school ****s" who suddenly succomb to the conclusion that sex is wrong when they realize they have aids and/or get pregant
byne wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
GBGriffin just admit you have a massive hardon for ID theorists.
He used to be one himself.
He's like those 'ex-gay' Christians, who constantly talk about how wrong gay sex is, even though they used to participate in it.
GBGriffin wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Unless you are bringing up a logical anti or pro indoctrination argument, I would prefer it if you go back to the "intoxication theory" thread.
That's a fair enough point, and one that I will indulge.
It is logical to assume that the ending was rushed and that, while true indoctrination may have been on the table at some point, it was scrapped along with the mechanic. This theory would support leaving in evidence that they simply didn't want to redo for time or financial constraints.
Or is that not logical?
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
I'll tell you what isn't logical. One who proudly embraces their bedtime and them comes back when they realize how much they love the IDT.
We appreciate your feedback though, which parts of the IDT do you not like?.. that way we can pass it on to all teh ID theorists to make sure we overspeculate our opinions for you.
Modifié par GBGriffin, 02 avril 2012 - 04:14 .
byne wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
byne wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
GBGriffin just admit you have a massive hardon for ID theorists.
He used to be one himself.
He's like those 'ex-gay' Christians, who constantly talk about how wrong gay sex is, even though they used to participate in it.
lol.. well..that isn't the best example. I'd say a better one is the "high school ****s" who suddenly succomb to the conclusion that sex is wrong when they realize they have aids and/or get pregant
No, I liked my original comparison where we were all gay, rather than yours where we're all extremely promiscuous.
byne wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
byne wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
GBGriffin just admit you have a massive hardon for ID theorists.
He used to be one himself.
He's like those 'ex-gay' Christians, who constantly talk about how wrong gay sex is, even though they used to participate in it.
lol.. well..that isn't the best example. I'd say a better one is the "high school ****s" who suddenly succomb to the conclusion that sex is wrong when they realize they have aids and/or get pregant
No, I liked my original comparison where we were all gay, rather than yours where we're all extremely promiscuous.
Guest_DuskRose_*
Rob Psyence wrote...
DuskRose wrote...
Alright, this is the last time I'll post this, promise, but I think the implications of my idea actually can prove/tie together several things for IT. (Plus no one commented on how brilliant I am.< --Kidding)There are two methods for how Reapers take control of organics: 1) Physically (See Husks) and 2) Mentally (See Matriarch Benezia)
To get greatest control while allowing a person to keep some of their independence, they combine the two, (See Saren and TIMmy)
For (2) they use more subtle things, like noises, in order to create what I like to think of as an extracorporeally inflicted schizophrenia-like disorder. The hallucinations, changes in thinking and emotions, as well as alterations in personality point to an organic disorder instigated by the Reapers. It would be nearly impossible to tell the difference. And given the fact that it has different severities in different people... it'd be next to impossible to detect. Now think about how Javik and Vigil talk about some Protheans came in as sleeper agents...
If that's the case, think about how insidious indoc really is, if it's an engineered mental disorder. Think about how times of stress affect those who have mental issues in RL, and then match that up to how quick indoc can spread, or how it can lay dormant for years.
That's actually a pretty interesting concept and seems pretty viable to me since it'd basically reformat some of their neural pathways.
GBGriffin wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
I'll tell you what isn't logical. One who proudly embraces their bedtime and them comes back when they realize how much they love the IDT.
We appreciate your feedback though, which parts of the IDT do you not like?.. that way we can pass it on to all teh ID theorists to make sure we overspeculate our opinions for you.
It's funny that I'm actually the one presenting an argument, and you are the now the one who is trolling.
Oh how the tables have turned.
You still haven't explained your bit on speculation. I find it hilarious that you conveniently dodged that post.
N7L4D wrote...
Byne is here!!!!!!!?????
Modifié par byne, 02 avril 2012 - 04:17 .
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