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[Holoe4]

It would make so much sense though... so nah.

But seriously, It would explain so much. :/

[lavosslayer]

VictorianTrash wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

As ridiculously awesome of an idea as this is, I think you lend the writers far too much credit. However, I'm willing to maintain reservations and see if anything comes of it. And if I'm wrong, feel free to rub it in my... text? Avatar? I don't know. I recall someone mentioning the devs saying they weren't planning post-game DLC, so I'm uncertain with how I feel about this. In light of this debacle, I'm still relatively cynical.

Well if you think about it, adding the real ending to the perceived end of the game technically wouldn't make it post game DLC...

You! Stop beating inklings of hope into me. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go brood in my dark corner, where I'll write in my livejournal about how much life sucks. And drink overpriced black coffee.

lol I wish I could say I"d be here all night but I'd be lying...its been an emotional rollercoaster of a day and I need some sleep! I'll see you all tomorrow! lol

[Sweawm]

The way Harbinger never spoke a single line in the entire game makes me think that they couldn't get his voice actor back...

[Ranicus56]

Your giving me hope. just stop.

I'm all ready sad/mad at the ending as it is. I kind of feel like i need a drink... Beat it only 2 hrs ago and i'm all ready thinking of quitting video games completely. Who knows maybe it will pass in time.


P.S. plz don't hate on me.

[Giskler]

One could only hope.

[Jenaimarre]

TryckSh0t wrote...

Pretty much sums up what went through my mind at the end. It just didn't feel...right. Also, when Shepard starts breathing under that pile of rubble, he simply CAN'T be on the Citadel. The Citadel was in space, outside the atmosphere, essentially zero-g, and exploded big time. This means if Shepard WAS on the Citadel when it went up, there'd be no air for him to breathe, and no gravity to create the pile of rubble he was trapped under, not to mention I doubt the Citadel was built with concrete, mortar, and rebar.

Well yes, i do like this idea. But what about those who chose the synthesis/control endings?

[Thrazesul]

Well, with the thing that the other two endings are possible Shepard "giving up", maybe there's only one true ending they'd continue on. There must be a reason the breathing again scene is just behind the Destroy option.

[Kitten Tactics]

Ranicus56 wrote...
Beat it only 2 hrs ago and i'm all ready thinking of quitting video games completely. Who knows maybe it will pass in time.
P.S. plz don't hate on me.

I feel the exact same way.  For the first time in my life I have no desire to play games.  Looking at my controller on the desk just makes me angry/sad.

[realguile]

TheProfessor234 wrote...

 Spoilers are allowed, so warning. Funny to say though, since this is about the ending. Anyway, I believe if you have enough war assets, it shows Sheppard's N7 armor chest plate and him taking in breath, indicating that he/she is still alive. It's hard to tell where he is though but it also looks like the Citadel was outright destroyed. So it is entirely possible. The whole sequence after the credits is also irrelevant since all they talk about is stories. I see this was brought up partly before. 


Being a DLC stunt or not there is an obvious backing and fury behind this so it is possible something will come out of it. In my own opinion, I will be surprised if this isn't capitalized on. Then again, Bioware is part of EA, so no matter how much they want do something, it has to be through EA. Again, this is only what I think, and I have no idea how video game companies actually work.


In any case, I'm not going to let one ending ruin a great series and developer for me. I'm new to the franchise but now I wish I got into it sooner. My time and money have both been well spent. My only hope is that there are more stories and adventures out there to lose myself in.

Play dragon age. You won't regret it.

[Flapperrr]

Of course, you can do better, but I'll be happy and this turn of affairs.

[Valk72]

I'm really beginning to think that it was a hallucination. Why? Because i can't see how Shepard can end up on earth, breathing and living, after the explosion of the Citadel in the destroy ending, it's absolutely illogical. Yes he survived in ME2 but he was reconstructed by Cerberus. In the destroy ending, there is no Cerberus or Lazarus project, so Shepard shouldn't be alive.

[RPGmom28]

I like that idea. Let's run with that. Then I can imagine that Shepard actually got what she deserved after those years of hardship, crushing responsibility and loneliness- some small measure of happiness where she gets to retire in peace with the man she loves.

[Wattoes]

Having the trilogy end on a hallucination would just be awful.

They would also be eaten alive for releasing the "actual" ending of the game via DLC.  That would create a massive s***storm.

Thus I highly doubt its the case.

That said I would much prefer it to the BS we got.  There is actually wiggle room there, and the ability to fix all the terrible that happened in the last 10 minutes.

[rma2110]

Hmmm... I always thought it was strange that TIM was suddenly able to control both Anderson and Shepard. Are partially indoctrinated people supposed to be able to do that? I don't remember if the indoctronated Grayson was able to do that. Plus, there was no sign of any indoctrination on TIM when we 'saw, him last.

[Valk72]

This tweet is also supsicious : https://twitter.com/...942797880541185
Especially when he wrote: " Hardest.Day.Ever". You have to say that it's a bit strange for a tweeter no? Could Bioware have pulled the Hallucination Theory to create an enormous buzz and after that release the end by DLC Free? In this case, why didn't they put it in the game from the Start? Well it could be to counter the possible leaks...

[suusuuu]

tl;dr the entire thread.

the mass effect artbook contains some very advanced designs (something what looks like final stages of design, very little variation) for the illusive man reaper form. the description says it was scrapped to offer the player a fight against a familiar character rather than some random enemy (???). HOWEVER it could be that TIM attained reaper form and fed all of these hallucinations to shepard to prevent him from interfering and the information about scrapping this concept is false. 

additionally, we didn't get the standard boss fight at the end of the game either... so he might be coming.

Modifié par suusuuu, 10 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[nitefyre410]

Oh so now they really going to rip off NGE.. well you one see the endings in dream form but what really happened.. in End of Mass Effect... EOME

[suusuuu]

everything is a rip off of a rip off

[Evindell]

First of all I just want to say I enjoyed every minute of Mass Effect 3--every minute...until the end. I need to write this down to express my...frustrations.

Most of you seem to have gotten "lost" by the game around the time Shepard was hit by the Reaper's beam. For me, I hadn't gotten "lost" yet. No, that didn't happen until the moment I met the Star-Child (as everyone seems to be referrring to him). From there, I had to backtrack in my mind to a point that still made sense. So, for me, the hallucination almost begins at the moment Shepard begins to pass out from the blood loss. I was sitting there beside Anderson, who I had "saved" from TIM, and who slowly and quietly died after expressing his pride in Shepard. After he died, Shepard also begins to pass out, and then Hackett comes on the line. For me, that was just my Shepard's mind needing to continue the fight, disbelieving it could really be over. So something had to go wrong (because it always does), she had to do something. But it was just a dream.

I think my main problems with the choices at the end is twofold. First off, I don't actually feel like there needed to be another choice. I had already made my choices. The end of the game--in my mind--should have been based upon the forces I had gathered. Whether or not I had gathered enough forces to hold out until the Crucible could be used. If I hadn't gathered enough forces the endings could have been something like: 

• Even though the Reapers are destroyed, Earth was inadequately defended until then. As a result it is completely destroyed. The forces of the Galaxy are also incredibly crippled. War breaks out between them over scarce resources. Though the Reapers are defeated it is an imperfect future (Shepard may or may not die)
• Depending on what species' Shepard recruited (or the numbers of those they recruited) there is a new dominate species. Earth may or may not have been destroyed (Shepard may or may not have died).
• Having an extraordinairy fighting force, they manage to adequately defend Earth. It remains standing. The different species of the Galaxy are left intact, and there is peace (again, Shepard may or may not have to die to get these endings).

I'm not saying these are exactly what should have happened. But it makes more sense because it's based on all the choices I made throughout the game. In Mass Effect 1, if I had killed Wrex, perhaps it would turn out that the Krogan were not as effective in Mass Effect 3, and it somehow led to them being decimated...or something. And that in turn lowered Earth's chances, which would have ended up affecting the entire Galaxy. The ending should have been based on my accumulated choices, not one choice that came out of nowhere. The ending rendered every choice in every game completely moot. The choice at the end HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY CHOICES I HAD MADE THE ENTIRE GAME SERIES (I used caps, bold, and italics to express how frustrated I am by this one fact). There didn't need to be another choice. It was pointless.

My other frustration only comes about if I accept that the endings really happened. So, for the moment, I will accept that.

How does galactic life continue if the Mass Relays are destroyed, after it has already been established that the blast from a  destroyed relay would obliterate a system? If the game had offered further explanation for how these systems survive the blast (considering the relays blow up in all three endings...don't they?), I would have accepted it, but they don't. So I don't accept it.

Also, the epilogue further frustrates me. How far into the "future" is that supposed to be? Because when the relays are blown up, it strands hundreds (if not, thousands) of Turians, Asari, Krogan, Quarians, and Salarians (and the bodys of the Geth, if you destroy the Reapers) on Earth. They are there now, forever. For the Asari, this is no problems. They could breed and thrive on Earth, considering they only need another being to reproduce. It may be problematic for the others, though I assume there would be some female Turians around, since they are in the army too. So you have all these "minds" on Earth. The ancient wisdom of the Asari (who live for thousands of years), and the intelligence of the Salarians. Wouldn't they begin work on Relays right away? The Protheans managed to make a small one. I can't believe all these species' combined couldn't make another one like the Protheans, and begin to reconnect the Galaxy. And just because the relays are destroyed doesn't mean there is no more FTL travel, or suddenly lose the ability to travel around the system. Yet the epilogue makes it seem like these people have forgotten what exists out in the Galaxy and are back in a time that doesn't have space travel. Even we (as we exist today, in this time period) can travel in space. It's inefficient, and not nearly advanced enough, but we can. 

I...don't understand.

Oh, before I forget (and excuse the swearing), but...how the **** did Kaidan get back on the Normandy? I took both him and Garrus with me all the way to the beam. So the game expects me to believe that after Shepard goes down Garrus and Kaidan just give up and retreat?......What? Nothing in the personalities of either Garrus or Kaidan (especially since I romanced Kaidan) makes it even remotely plausible that they would give up the fight. Even if Shepard had died getting hit by that Reaper beam it would have meant that there was nowhere to run to anyway. It would mean failure, and the destruction of the Galaxy. Neither Garrus or Kaidan would have run. They would have stood there and fought until they died.

And that's not even asking how they got back to the Normandy (out of their armor, because Kaidan wasn't wearing it in the scene) and out of the system before the Relays exploded. They couldn't have known that would happen. They would have been waiting, above Earth (or on it, in the case of the squad) for whatever would happen. If anything, the Normandy should be stranded on a planet in the system. Which means they could be rescued. Maybe not at first. But somebody could come for them.


Supposedly there is a "secret" ending if you beat Mass Effect 3 twice. I defintely want to see what that is. I loved the game and the series, up until the end. I just refuse to acknowledge it all happened until I get further explanations for how it all came to pass.

Sorry for the possible wall of text, but before I end this I just want to say: I blew up the Reapers (also did the synthesis ending, but that didn't sit right with me). I felt bad about the Geth, and EDI, but saving the Galaxy was bigger than them, and it's what the entire series had been moving toward. Choosing to blow up the Reapers was the only way I felt like I was staying true to the old version of Mass Effect, before they decided to throw a wrench in everything and go all Matrix-y.

I may come back, if I think of something else, but for now I think I've expressed everything I wanted to say.

[Valk72]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Oh so now they really going to rip off NGE.. well you one see the endings in dream form but what really happened.. in End of Mass Effect... EOME

Lol, when i saw the huge controversy the ending caused i immediatly thought of NGE!

[suusuuu]

Evindell wrote...
Oh, before I forget (and excuse the swearing), but...how the **** did Kaidan get back on the Normandy? I took both him and Garrus with me all the way to the beam. So the game expects me to believe that after Shepard goes down Garrus and Kaidan just give up and retreat?......What? Nothing in the personalities of either Garrus or Kaidan (especially since I romanced Kaidan) makes it even remotely plausible that they would give up the fight. Even if Shepard had died getting hit by that Reaper beam it would have meant that there was nowhere to run to anyway. It would mean failure, and the destruction of the Galaxy. Neither Garrus or Kaidan would have run. They would have stood there and fought until they died. 

And that's not even asking how they got back to the Normandy (out of their armor, because Kaidan wasn't wearing it in the scene) and out of the system before the Relays exploded. They couldn't have known that would happen. They would have been waiting, above Earth (or on it, in the case of the squad) for whatever would happen. If anything, the Normandy should be stranded on a planet in the system. Which means they could be rescued. Maybe not at first. But somebody could come for them.

This kinda supports the hallucination theory in a way... The fact that the love interest is always on the normandy regardless if they were in the team or not. 

Modifié par suusuuu, 10 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[Evindell]

suusuuu wrote...

Evindell wrote...
Oh, before I forget (and excuse the swearing), but...how the **** did Kaidan get back on the Normandy? I took both him and Garrus with me all the way to the beam. So the game expects me to believe that after Shepard goes down Garrus and Kaidan just give up and retreat?......What? Nothing in the personalities of either Garrus or Kaidan (especially since I romanced Kaidan) makes it even remotely plausible that they would give up the fight. Even if Shepard had died getting hit by that Reaper beam it would have meant that there was nowhere to run to anyway. It would mean failure, and the destruction of the Galaxy. Neither Garrus or Kaidan would have run. They would have stood there and fought until they died. 

And that's not even asking how they got back to the Normandy (out of their armor, because Kaidan wasn't wearing it in the scene) and out of the system before the Relays exploded. They couldn't have known that would happen. They would have been waiting, above Earth (or on it, in the case of the squad) for whatever would happen. If anything, the Normandy should be stranded on a planet in the system. Which means they could be rescued. Maybe not at first. But somebody could come for them.

This kinda supports the hallucination theory in a way... The fact that the love interest is always on the normandy regardless if they were in the team or not. 

The whole thing is just too ambiguous. Especially if you destroy the Reapers and Shepard "breathes". Maybe that's the point. Maybe it's supposed to be what we want it to be.

I remember before I finished the game I saw the article on IGN's wiki page that said there were 17 possible endings. I thought they would be based upon some major decisions from the game. But they weren't. There weren't 17 different endings. There was basically one ending, based upon a decision that seemed shoehorned into the game.

Modifié par Evindell, 10 mars 2012 - 02:33 .

[k8ee]

Jenaimarre wrote...

TryckSh0t wrote...

Pretty much sums up what went through my mind at the end. It just didn't feel...right. Also, when Shepard starts breathing under that pile of rubble, he simply CAN'T be on the Citadel. The Citadel was in space, outside the atmosphere, essentially zero-g, and exploded big time. This means if Shepard WAS on the Citadel when it went up, there'd be no air for him to breathe, and no gravity to create the pile of rubble he was trapped under, not to mention I doubt the Citadel was built with concrete, mortar, and rebar.

Well yes, i do like this idea. But what about those who chose the synthesis/control endings?

The beauty of it being a dream is that choosing anything but destroying the reapers proves you (Shep) are indoctrinated and causes you to fail. At least, that's how I'm seeing it.

Just the fact that if you choose to do that, Shep is shown, or suggested to have survived, which means there is no way he/she was on the citadel in the first place.

[Bullseye_Sally]

I like this hallucination idea honestly.  I agree that the ending just seamed off and that something is a muck.  I didn't like the ending myself, it broke my heart that this is what I was left with, it also killed my desire/plans to play the game thru all of my imports.  I guess now we play the waiting game to see if there is dlc on the way.

[Xellith]

If its not an hallucination then im gonna cry in a corner... again.