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[Golferguy758]

How does Hackett know that it is Shepard inside the Citadel when it is specifically stated that no one saw anyone make it to the beam?

[Deltateam Elcor]

TheDove wrote...

If it -was- a hallucination, all I can say is that it was the most pointless, unnecessary act of 'storytelling' that I've ever seen. It serves absolutely no purpose for anyone.

Basically, if true, it goes as follows.

Shephard sees and hears things that don't exist, and makes decisions that don't actually do anything. The end.

See how bizarre that is? Even if it were the truth, which I highly, highly doubt, it wouldn't lessen the fact it was a horrible ending.

Perhaps for people with no imagination or analysation skills, which seems to be the majority.

[Denethar]

xGhost4000x wrote...

On a side note, anyone think they should have brought the Mako back for one last drive down the hill towards the beam.

I would have been a mirror of Mass Effect 1

I would have enjoyed that.

That would have ended with everyone crashing instead...never had such horrible driving in any game ever.

[crimsontotem]

Why would Harbinger just gets out of the battle space and come down to the location where "Shepard" is about to charge to the Citadel... it could have been any reaper but It had to be the Harbinger, supposedly one of leaders of the Reapers... now why would he do that? That reason itself should be enough to support this entire thread.

[TheDove]

Sierra163 wrote...

TheDove wrote...

If it -was- a hallucination, all I can say is that it was the most pointless, unnecessary act of 'storytelling' that I've ever seen. It serves absolutely no purpose for anyone.

Basically, if true, it goes as follows.

Shephard sees and hears things that don't exist, and makes decisions that don't actually do anything. The end.

See how bizarre that is? Even if it were the truth, which I highly, highly doubt, it wouldn't lessen the fact it was a horrible ending.

Except we're saying that we haven't seen the 'true' endings yet.

Well, if you're willing to spend more money on a 'true ending', be my guest. 

[Denethar]

Golferguy758 wrote...

How does Hackett know that it is Shepard inside the Citadel when it is specifically stated that no one saw anyone make it to the beam?

Plotholes, oh so very many lovely plotholes.

[Deltateam Elcor]

TheDove wrote...

Sierra163 wrote...

TheDove wrote...

If it -was- a hallucination, all I can say is that it was the most pointless, unnecessary act of 'storytelling' that I've ever seen. It serves absolutely no purpose for anyone.

Basically, if true, it goes as follows.

Shephard sees and hears things that don't exist, and makes decisions that don't actually do anything. The end.

See how bizarre that is? Even if it were the truth, which I highly, highly doubt, it wouldn't lessen the fact it was a horrible ending.

Except we're saying that we haven't seen the 'true' endings yet.

Well, if you're willing to spend more money on a 'true ending', be my guest. 

Noone is spending anything, even the most diehard fans wouldnt, completely irrelevant data.

[Bigdoser]

TheDove wrote...

Sierra163 wrote...

TheDove wrote...

If it -was- a hallucination, all I can say is that it was the most pointless, unnecessary act of 'storytelling' that I've ever seen. It serves absolutely no purpose for anyone.

Basically, if true, it goes as follows.

Shephard sees and hears things that don't exist, and makes decisions that don't actually do anything. The end.

See how bizarre that is? Even if it were the truth, which I highly, highly doubt, it wouldn't lessen the fact it was a horrible ending.

Except we're saying that we haven't seen the 'true' endings yet.

Well, if you're willing to spend more money on a 'true ending', be my guest. 

Bioware did that with mass effect 2. 

[I_Jedi]

Denethar wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

How does Hackett know that it is Shepard inside the Citadel when it is specifically stated that no one saw anyone make it to the beam?

Plotholes, oh so very many lovely plotholes.

It's like I hear a new one every hour.

Also, where's the medi-gel shepard always has?
How does harbinger blow away all Shepard's paint?

[Deltateam Elcor]

Bigdoser wrote...

TheDove wrote...

Sierra163 wrote...

TheDove wrote...

If it -was- a hallucination, all I can say is that it was the most pointless, unnecessary act of 'storytelling' that I've ever seen. It serves absolutely no purpose for anyone.

Basically, if true, it goes as follows.

Shephard sees and hears things that don't exist, and makes decisions that don't actually do anything. The end.

See how bizarre that is? Even if it were the truth, which I highly, highly doubt, it wouldn't lessen the fact it was a horrible ending.

Except we're saying that we haven't seen the 'true' endings yet.

Well, if you're willing to spend more money on a 'true ending', be my guest. 

Bioware did that with mass effect 2. 

ME2 was different, it was a game in the middle, its story is highly adjustable.

[Golferguy758]

Denethar wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

How does Hackett know that it is Shepard inside the Citadel when it is specifically stated that no one saw anyone make it to the beam?

Plotholes, oh so very many lovely plotholes.

Exactly, there's no way that Hackett could have known that it was Shepard. And while soem plotholes will always exist in any story the sheer amount that are showing up on this definitely seems like it's intentionally fishy.

[Valk72]

TheDove wrote...

See how bizarre that is? Even if it were the truth, which I highly, highly doubt, it wouldn't lessen the fact it was a horrible ending.

Well it would be "acceptable" at least...

[Sharrack]

TheDove wrote...

If it -was- a hallucination, all I can say is that it was the most pointless, unnecessary act of 'storytelling' that I've ever seen. It serves absolutely no purpose for anyone.

Basically, if true, it goes as follows.

Shephard sees and hears things that don't exist, and makes decisions that don't actually do anything. The end.

See how bizarre that is? Even if it were the truth, which I highly, highly doubt, it wouldn't lessen the fact it was a horrible ending.

I think is that the real ending is still to come. Probably after it's released date everywhere has passed. but they had to add some sort of ending beforehand.

[Sierra163]

TheDove wrote...

Sierra163 wrote...

TheDove wrote...

If it -was- a hallucination, all I can say is that it was the most pointless, unnecessary act of 'storytelling' that I've ever seen. It serves absolutely no purpose for anyone.

Basically, if true, it goes as follows.

Shephard sees and hears things that don't exist, and makes decisions that don't actually do anything. The end.

See how bizarre that is? Even if it were the truth, which I highly, highly doubt, it wouldn't lessen the fact it was a horrible ending.

Except we're saying that we haven't seen the 'true' endings yet.

Well, if you're willing to spend more money on a 'true ending', be my guest. 

You realize there hasn't been any Aliance Network free DLC yet like there was with ME2 and other EA titles.

[FugitiveMind]

k8ee wrote...

@FugitiveMind
Did you watch/listen to that clipped out piece of dialogue between femshep and anderson a few pages back? Heart breaking.
Though if this was part of an original ending, wonder why they changed it?

I'm still on my "some stuff on the disc unlocked after everyone has had a chance to beat it" conspiracy theory.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Golferguy758 wrote...

How does Hackett know that it is Shepard inside the Citadel when it is specifically stated that no one saw anyone make it to the beam?

We got another one... 

[QwertyMusicMan]

I think this thread is really just about providing an explanation for all the gaping plot-holes found in ME3, especially its ending.

[lookingglassmind]

I honestly think my brain will melt out of my eye sockets if I have to wait until that PAX panel in April for BioWare to comment. :S

[thePredator50]

Well, when the citadel opened up, he could have assumed that Shepard made it. But yes, it's very badly presented.

Regardles of what you think of Bioware - these aren't the kinds of mistakes they do. Something is going on.

[HairyMadDog1010]

It would be nice if this is true, if not i have about 10 diffrent fan fictions(all working inside the existing ending) I will use

[Golferguy758]

QwertyMusicMan wrote...

I think this thread is really just about providing an explanation for all the gaping plot-holes found in ME3, especially its ending.

Considering that there were none that I noticed prior to that point implies that the gaping plotholes are intentional

[Phoenix92254]

I don't think the ending was intended to be a hallucination but it would be an effective way to make a new DLC that would have a better ending. Just have Shepard wake up in a hospital in London after the Crucible was activated. (sorry if this was already mentioned but I didn't want to read a 100+ pages haha)

[Sparbiter]

I've heard a ton of theory on the "hallucination" or "dream" theory....

I want to believe it; I think it's the only way out at this point, with the other option being stuck with the current endings.

That said, all of the "evidence" that it is just a dream is just pointing out massive plot holes.And no sane writer would troll his audience by planning to make a different ending before releasing the current one.

The "hallucination" theory is probably the best course of action now, but no way was it the original intent.

[lookingglassmind]

thePredator50 wrote...

Regardles of what you think of Bioware - these aren't the kinds of mistakes they do. Something is going on.

Quoted for truth.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

I'm still on my "some stuff on the disc unlocked after everyone has had a chance to beat it" conspiracy theory.

Yeah, but someone have found it? I mean, I don't know much at all about computers, but I'm pretty sure someone would have located it in that mass of code, right?