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[ynh]

kilgorek wrote...

I can't believe people are picking up that Klencory theory and running with it. But, somehow, the IT is "grasping at straws."

I am going to have to agree here.

[CLB17]

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Plus she just uses that Kelncory planet as a basis. The whole planet is centered around an eccentric Volus who has *visions* of being"s" (plural) of light. It never said he found any such temples containing such a thing. If anything the "beings of light" would be referring to Prothean VI's. But it was all based on *visions* so it actually is pointing even more to the I.T. 

Plus, Klencory's description says the beings of light were there to protect organics from synthetic machine devils.

That seems to run counter to godchild controlling the synthetic machine devils to exterminate all advanced organics

And i don't think beings of light is a good description of the reapers. machine devils is a perfect description though.

[ky0dar]

DuskRose wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Plus she just uses that Kelncory planet as a basis. The whole planet is centered around an eccentric Volus who has *visions* of being"s" (plural) of light. It never said he found any such temples containing such a thing. If anything the "beings of light" would be referring to Prothean VI's. But it was all based on *visions* so it actually is pointing even more to the I.T. 

Plus, Klencory's description says the beings of light were there to protect organics from synthetic machine devils.

That seems to run counter to godchild controlling the synthetic machine devils to exterminate all advanced organics

Klencory and Klendagon were two unfired guns; that annoyed me.

They did fire Klendagon - the great chasm or whatever was caused by backlash or ricochet (can't remember which) from the projectile which took out the Reaper at Mnemosyne. I'm not sure how else they'd fire that "gun"

[byne]

DuskRose wrote...


XD I know the feeling. Banshees just loved my Vanguard Shep.

Fun fact: My cat was sitting in my lap when a Banshee appeared. She did her crazy Banshee scream, and my cat jumped up and ran out of the room.

He knows whats what.

[Big Bad]

One more speculation-free fact, then it's bedtime:

A pretty big deal is made about upgrading the Eezo core in Engineering so all of the engineers don't get killed, and then it is promptly dropped and never brought back up again.

(Now i'm speculating)

To me that just seems like a pretty good example of Chehkov's Gun that doesn't go anywhere

Oh, one more fact:

- Vega complains about the humming on the Normandy, and humming is known to be one indication of the presence of Reaper tech. The last time a character mentioned something like this, it was Kaidan on the citadel and it turned out to be Reaper tech.

[MACharlie1]

I wonder: has anyone thought the significance of Marauder Shields?

I remember first playing through and seeing this Turian husk show up and the first thing that came to mind was Saren; could Maurader Sheilds be Shepard manifesting his/her first encounter with indoctrination? His/her mind saying "HEEEY remember THIS guy?"

[Either.Ardrey]

ky0dar wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Plus she just uses that Kelncory planet as a basis. The whole planet is centered around an eccentric Volus who has *visions* of being"s" (plural) of light. It never said he found any such temples containing such a thing. If anything the "beings of light" would be referring to Prothean VI's. But it was all based on *visions* so it actually is pointing even more to the I.T. 

Plus, Klencory's description says the beings of light were there to protect organics from synthetic machine devils.

That seems to run counter to godchild controlling the synthetic machine devils to exterminate all advanced organics

Klencory and Klendagon were two unfired guns; that annoyed me.

They did fire Klendagon - the great chasm or whatever was caused by backlash or ricochet (can't remember which) from the projectile which took out the Reaper at Mnemosyne. I'm not sure how else they'd fire that "gun"

Not literally. This is most likely referring to the Chekov's gun literary theory/principle we discussed earlier today and the past couple days.

Especially since Klencory wasn't even a gun. Just an addled billionaire Volus.

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 02 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[Big Bad]

byne wrote...

DuskRose wrote...


XD I know the feeling. Banshees just loved my Vanguard Shep.

Fun fact: My cat was sitting in my lap when a Banshee appeared. She did her crazy Banshee scream, and my cat jumped up and ran out of the room.

He knows whats what.

That whole extended fight was just. . .intense.  I was a nervous, gibbering wreck by the end!

[kilgorek]

Big Bad wrote...

One more speculation-free fact, then it's bedtime:

A pretty big deal is made about upgrading the Eezo core in Engineering so all of the engineers don't get killed, and then it is promptly dropped and never brought back up again.

(Now i'm speculating)

To me that just seems like a pretty good example of Chehkov's Gun that doesn't go anywhere

Oh, one more fact:

- Vega complains about the humming on the Normandy, and humming is known to be one indication of the presence of Reaper tech. The last time a character mentioned something like this, it was Kaidan on the citadel and it turned out to be Reaper tech.

Yea, I was wondering about this too. I went back to the Citadel after this convo, and couldn't find an Eezo core upgrade at any of the shops. Can you even buy the damn thing?

[kilgorek]

DuskRose wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

I've got one more question before I head to bed: did anyone else feel like the story was cut shortish? I have, like an internal 'clock' almost that picks on cues for pacing. By the time I hit London it felt like the ending had come up rather abruptly.

I personally did not feel like anything was rushed, at least not prior to when Shepard is hit by the beam and all the weirdness starts.  Then again, maybe I was just too busy getting my ass handed to me to notice!

XD I know the feeling. Banshees just loved my Vanguard Shep.

I guess I just find it interesting that Thessia only had one quest/point on it, when the other homeworlds had side missions.

Sur'kesh didn't. But I do feel that Thessia was rushed, as it was such a short mission. At least Sur'kesh(sp?) was pretty lengthy.

[byne]

kilgorek wrote...


Sur'kesh didn't. But I do feel that Thessia was rushed, as it was such a short mission. At least Sur'kesh(sp?) was pretty lengthy.

Thessia takes me longer than Sur'kesh does

[HunterKYA]

 After watching the first part of the BoL theory, it at first sounds convincing, but the deeper she went into it, the more it felt like she was reaching for anything to prove the argument.  It felt like she developed this theory as a method of not so much disproving IT, but to find an alternating path to explain the endings.  The shortcoming with her argument aren't that she doesn't have evidence, of which she does, it just feels like she doesn't possess enough evidence to validly prove her point.  I had difficulty watching the second half of the video, because IT holds more water, for me, in terms of explanation to the endings

Modifié par HunterKYA, 02 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[Chud Elite]

It's kind of a pain to find. The description of the eezo core in the journal has a different name in the shop. (The counter with Barla Von) Its called something else, just buy it and your journal will get updated

[Rob Psyence]

kilgorek wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

One more speculation-free fact, then it's bedtime:

A pretty big deal is made about upgrading the Eezo core in Engineering so all of the engineers don't get killed, and then it is promptly dropped and never brought back up again.

(Now i'm speculating)

To me that just seems like a pretty good example of Chehkov's Gun that doesn't go anywhere

Oh, one more fact:

- Vega complains about the humming on the Normandy, and humming is known to be one indication of the presence of Reaper tech. The last time a character mentioned something like this, it was Kaidan on the citadel and it turned out to be Reaper tech.

Yea, I was wondering about this too. I went back to the Citadel after this convo, and couldn't find an Eezo core upgrade at any of the shops. Can you even buy the damn thing?

You buy them at...I wanna say nos astra or however its spelled. It the shiney cylindrical looking things...forgot their name

[Leonia]

DuskRose wrote...

XD I know the feeling. Banshees just loved my Vanguard Shep.

I guess I just find it interesting that Thessia only had one quest/point on it, when the other homeworlds had side missions.

To be fair, Palaven had zero and Menae only had the one priority mission (which felt very short compared to the others).

Modifié par leonia42, 02 avril 2012 - 05:56 .

[ky0dar]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

ky0dar wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Plus she just uses that Kelncory planet as a basis. The whole planet is centered around an eccentric Volus who has *visions* of being"s" (plural) of light. It never said he found any such temples containing such a thing. If anything the "beings of light" would be referring to Prothean VI's. But it was all based on *visions* so it actually is pointing even more to the I.T. 

Plus, Klencory's description says the beings of light were there to protect organics from synthetic machine devils.

That seems to run counter to godchild controlling the synthetic machine devils to exterminate all advanced organics

Klencory and Klendagon were two unfired guns; that annoyed me.

They did fire Klendagon - the great chasm or whatever was caused by backlash or ricochet (can't remember which) from the projectile which took out the Reaper at Mnemosyne. I'm not sure how else they'd fire that "gun"

Not literally. This is most likely referring to the Chekov's gun literary theory/principle we discussed earlier today and the past couple days.

Especially since Klencory wasn't even a gun. Just an addled billionaire Volus.

Yeah, that's fairly obvious. note i used  "gun".
 And i stand by it. How else would you use that?

[Jaxitty]

Big Bad wrote...

One more speculation-free fact, then it's bedtime:

A pretty big deal is made about upgrading the Eezo core in Engineering so all of the engineers don't get killed, and then it is promptly dropped and never brought back up again.

(Now i'm speculating)

To me that just seems like a pretty good example of Chehkov's Gun that doesn't go anywhere

Oh, one more fact:

- Vega complains about the humming on the Normandy, and humming is known to be one indication of the presence of Reaper tech. The last time a character mentioned something like this, it was Kaidan on the citadel and it turned out to be Reaper tech.

What Kaiden was hearing wasn't Reaper tech perse, it was the mini relay the Protheans had created and placed on the Citadel in order for their people to make a suicide run to it near the end to alter the Keepers and stop them from reacting to Soverigns signal in this cycle.

[byne]

Jaxitty wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

One more speculation-free fact, then it's bedtime:

A pretty big deal is made about upgrading the Eezo core in Engineering so all of the engineers don't get killed, and then it is promptly dropped and never brought back up again.

(Now i'm speculating)

To me that just seems like a pretty good example of Chehkov's Gun that doesn't go anywhere

Oh, one more fact:

- Vega complains about the humming on the Normandy, and humming is known to be one indication of the presence of Reaper tech. The last time a character mentioned something like this, it was Kaidan on the citadel and it turned out to be Reaper tech.

What Kaiden was hearing wasn't Reaper tech perse, it was the mini relay the Protheans had created and placed on the Citadel in order for their people to make a suicide run to it near the end to alter the Keepers and stop them from reacting to Soverigns signal in this cycle.

Relays are still technically Reaper tech, no matter who builds them. The Protheans just copied Reaper designs and scaled them down a bit.

[Gernbuster]

byne wrote...

Jaxitty wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

One more speculation-free fact, then it's bedtime:

A pretty big deal is made about upgrading the Eezo core in Engineering so all of the engineers don't get killed, and then it is promptly dropped and never brought back up again.

(Now i'm speculating)

To me that just seems like a pretty good example of Chehkov's Gun that doesn't go anywhere

Oh, one more fact:

- Vega complains about the humming on the Normandy, and humming is known to be one indication of the presence of Reaper tech. The last time a character mentioned something like this, it was Kaidan on the citadel and it turned out to be Reaper tech.

What Kaiden was hearing wasn't Reaper tech perse, it was the mini relay the Protheans had created and placed on the Citadel in order for their people to make a suicide run to it near the end to alter the Keepers and stop them from reacting to Soverigns signal in this cycle.

Relays are still technically Reaper tech, no matter who builds them. The Protheans just copied Reaper designs and scaled them down a bit.

/sign
thats one of the basic clues in mass effect. Because the Reapers leave their artefacts, so ther species can find it. They make sure they evolve in the way the Reaper want. All the modern Sci-Fi Tech in ME is based on Reaper tech and the Prothean only adopt the Reapers Mass Relay tech to built the conduit.

[Martukis]

kilgorek wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

One more speculation-free fact, then it's bedtime:

A pretty big deal is made about upgrading the Eezo core in Engineering so all of the engineers don't get killed, and then it is promptly dropped and never brought back up again.

(Now i'm speculating)

To me that just seems like a pretty good example of Chehkov's Gun that doesn't go anywhere

Oh, one more fact:

- Vega complains about the humming on the Normandy, and humming is known to be one indication of the presence of Reaper tech. The last time a character mentioned something like this, it was Kaidan on the citadel and it turned out to be Reaper tech.

Yea, I was wondering about this too. I went back to the Citadel after this convo, and couldn't find an Eezo core upgrade at any of the shops. Can you even buy the damn thing?

 Yeah, I wondered about that for a while, too. according to the in-game dialogue at http://mod.gib.me/ma...3/testdump2.txt , if it isn't upgrades, the ship is supposed to be sabotaged at some point, which kills one or all of the engineering team. That said, I would not be surprised if it was cut, like the individual recruitment scenes for each of the engineering team which exist in the dialogue.

[Doug M]

How BioWare could keep current ending, add new ending DLC, and turn the current ending into part of something amazing:

• The current ending doesn't change.
• New ending DLC is released that shows how the Control and Synthesis choices mean Shepard and the player have been fully indoctrinated, and how the Destroy choice lets Shepard finish the fight.
• Final climactic confrontation with Harbinger which is epic, incorporates the fundamental philosophical themes of Mass Effect, and has the most exciting combat in the game.
• Closure for all major story lines, characters, and races.  Fully branching spectrum of endings to show and reflect all the different major choices you've made throughout the game.
• A final reflection of the entire Retake Mass Effect movement, done via voiceover, voiced by either Jennifer Hale or Mark Meer, depending on your Shepard, of how you, the player, overcame indoctrination and were presented with an outcome that was unacceptable, and that you responded with refusal, determination and resolve.  You stood up and fought for everything you held dear in the Mass Effect universe, and in this way you have truly become Commander Shepard.

The entire premise of Mass Effect is that "You are Commander Shepard".  If BioWare is able to take all of our resistance to the current ending, and transform that into showing us how we've truly experienced what it is to be Shepard, complete with uniting disparate people under a common cause as the Retake Mass Effect movement has, then BioWare will have provided a player immersion experience deeper than anything before it.

As more time goes by, the less likely I think it is that BioWare will actually make good on this, but we'll see what happens at PAX East.  As it stands, I still think BioWare is a great developer when the whole creative team is running on all cylinders, and I hope they'll come through for us.

If they don't, then I'll just have to content myself with the idea that all this refusal and determination we're feeling is what Shepard would feel, and that what we're doing, standing up for what we think is right, is what Shepard would do.

[rubynorman]

I wonder: has anyone thought the significance of Marauder Shields?

I
remember first playing through and seeing this Turian husk show up and
the first thing that came to mind was Saren; could Maurader Sheilds be
Shepard manifesting his/her first encounter with indoctrination? His/her
mind saying "HEEEY remember THIS guy?"

--------> I also think it's weird when we shoot this. I wonder: has anyone thought the significance 

[Spiderman_2028]

I had the same 'abrupt' vibe. Compared to ME2 at least... I looked at my Galaxy Map , and was like, "Oh, $#!t... Heading to earth already?!"

[crazyeye343]

been gone for the weekend, what have i missed?