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[Deltateam Elcor]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

I'm still on my "some stuff on the disc unlocked after everyone has had a chance to beat it" conspiracy theory.

Yeah, but someone have found it? I mean, I don't know much at all about computers, but I'm pretty sure someone would have located it in that mass of code, right?

Bioware has extreme encryption on some of its files, it wouldnt be worth it frankly.

[krystalevenstar]

What's this unused bit of dialog between femshep and Anderson?

Edit: OH GOD THAT'S CRUSHING.

But what if the actual ending parallels the dream and uses that extra dialog O_O

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 11 mars 2012 - 11:56 .

[lavosslayer]

lookingglassmind wrote...

I honestly think my brain will melt out of my eye sockets if I have to wait until that PAX panel in April for BioWare to comment. :S

I"m with you on that one...thats literally 27 days away...sheesh...sounds like lots of ME3 Multiplayer to me cause I sure as hell can't spend everyday staring at this thread...it would drive me nuts mostly out of sheer anticipation!

[Ghrelt]

I just watched the endings from all three Mass Effect games on youtube. 1 and 2 both end with the same music. 3 does not. No Mass Effect ending music= not the true ending.

[lavosslayer]

krystalevenstar wrote...

What's this unused bit of dialog between femshep and Anderson?

Are you sure you want to know? Sadness abounds for those who seek this video...

Modifié par lavosslayer, 11 mars 2012 - 11:53 .

[Sharrack]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

I'm still on my "some stuff on the disc unlocked after everyone has had a chance to beat it" conspiracy theory.

Yeah, but someone have found it? I mean, I don't know much at all about computers, but I'm pretty sure someone would have located it in that mass of code, right?

Bioware has extreme encryption on some of its files, it wouldnt be worth it frankly.

Actually with Origin being madatory it wouldn't even be necessary to be on disc and 360 and PS3 can probably not be read that easily.

[Golferguy758]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

I'm still on my "some stuff on the disc unlocked after everyone has had a chance to beat it" conspiracy theory.

Yeah, but someone have found it? I mean, I don't know much at all about computers, but I'm pretty sure someone would have located it in that mass of code, right?

Different for PC than Consoles. Also, my Mass Effect 3 file on my computer is 10 gigs. The requirements for the game is 15gigs.

Somethign fishy BW, something fishy

[Ellestor]

lavosslayer wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

I'm on board with the idea of Shepard's indoctrination while he lays unconscious at Harbinger's feet—seems obvious to me that Harbinger couldn't resist the opportunity—but I don't buy that the renegade/paragon options are flipped in the way some people are suggesting. That's obviously not the case in the confrontation with TIM, and besides, doesn't the suggestion fall apart in the case of a normally renegade Shepard?

I don't think it falls apart at all...consider the fact that this particular situation takes raw instinct to break out of...intellect is actually your enemy here since its being so distorted and twisted by the Reapers attempts at indoctrination. Making a renegade choice is the only way to fight back against these attempts and complete your mission...

Right, which I'm saying doesn't make sense if Shepard is a renegade. There are people suggesting that the choices are presented the way they are to make the player believe Destroy is a bad choice, that it's presented as renegade when it isn't, in order to appeal to a paragon Shepard, and I'm saying that doesn't fit if Shepard has been played as a renegade up to that point. In order to fit the theory, the presentation would have to be flipped.

As for their idea (but not yours, I see) that Destroy is presented as renegade when it shouldn't be: bull****. Destroying the goddamn galaxy in order to destroy the Reapers is absolutely a renegade action. The Renegade has always been the one that's about sacrificing whatever you have to in order to achieve your goal, as long as the sacrifice isn't yours.

And it's because that sacrifice is what the Reapers are intended to destroy, and because that's the only choice through which Harbinger apparently allows Shepard to wake, that I contend it is the one he wants Shepard to make.

Much as Saren was indoctrinated to believe organics will survive by serving the Reapers and TIM was indoctrinated to believe he could save humanity by controlling them, I've been saying that Shepard's indoctrination would naturally settle on convincing him that he can destroy the Reapers by destroying what they want destroyed.

Modifié par Ellestor, 11 mars 2012 - 11:57 .

[thenxtmarvlhero]

So I just want to throw some points into the ring to keep the theories flowing, because I honestly this theory is correct, so here's just a few ideas to spitball with.

1) When the Catalyst speaks to Shepard, there is an echoey feel coming from both of them as they talk. The difference is that when the Catalyst speaks, if you listen close enough, you can notice that the voice is entirely different, and sounds almost like a whisper. The one recurring piece of indoctrination throughout the series are the "whispers" in people's head as they slowly turn.

2) The only time Shepard ever saw the vent kid was in his dreams. Why is this situation any different? Why in the world would the Catalyst manifest itself as the kid. The only way the Catalyst would know to take that form was if it was in Shepard's head to begin with, as Shepard had not even mentioned the kid after his death.

3) Harbinger never once says he wants Shepard dead. Seriously, go through 2 and the closest he ever gets is "These attacks will tear you apart". If anything, Harbinger was making orders to keep Shepard alive. Most of his orders are more aligned with "Save Shepard, kill the rest." This kind of goes with the Harbinger wants Shepard indoctrinated theory. If you think about it, it is sort of weird how badly the Reapers want Shepard's body instead of just Shepard being dead. Even after he was killed, they were doing everything to retrieve his body.While it might be because they didn't want Cerberus to resurrect him, if that were the case, then why did the still want to take Shepard alive?

4) In the first game, there were small mentioning of Reapers using sleeper agents. If you truly think about it, you only really see one character who can truly be seen as a sleeper: Saren. All the others who served the Reapers, Collecters, Geth, and so on, weren't truly acting as sleepers as much as being slaves or worshipping them. Complete longshot, I know, but what if Shepard was among those sleepers? What if that is why the Reapers need Shepard so badly? If the whole point of the Reapers is to stop synthetics from wiping out organics, what better test is there to see if a generation can co-mingle, than the Crucible? I know this theory is shoddy at best, but it was just a thought.

5) The old man afterwards says that there's more stories to tell of "The Shepard". Probably just Bioware foreshadowing DLC, but still makes you think a bit.

6) One of the points that was brought up was how strikingly similar the ending of 3 resembles the ending of 1. If Bioware was going for the indoctrination/ hallucination ending, than they really would be planning to go all out with it. I got to thinking how strongly they are for story, and I remember how they almost punished players if they got their Shepard killed in 2. How they made it so in order to keep your character and to even keep the canon, you would have to go back to the beginning to try again. For Bioware to make a test like this, where if you break the story by doing something completely un Shepard your character dies, wouldn't be to out of their style. For them to release DLC that shows the true end of the fight with Shepard, but the only way to access it was with getting your Shepard out alive........ really does seem like something they would do.

All in all, I really hope that we're right. Bioware would become Gods amongst men if they did something as badass as this.

[BlackDragonBane]

Theorycrafting like this tends to bring the player base together. I mean, when DA2 came out, there were so many theories in regards to Leliana and the disappearance of the two heroes it was insane.

Given that the plot-holes are so glaringly obvious, it feels more like this was done on purpose and we're being held in suspense while the devs and writing team watch and gauge our reactions. Some are denouncing the endings, others praising them, and then you have groups like ours who are using theorycrafting to fill in the holes, waiting to see if we're right or Bioware has something completely else up their sleeves.

I like to believe the core of the indoctrination theory is true and that the choice made in the ending will add to the consequences of the after-math of the game. Not everyone is going to agree on it and we all have our own variants of the theory but many of are in agreement there is something missing, something very big that Bioware is being very tight lipped about.

[lookingglassmind]

lavosslayer wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

I honestly think my brain will melt out of my eye sockets if I have to wait until that PAX panel in April for BioWare to comment. :S

I"m with you on that one...thats literally 27 days away...sheesh...sounds like lots of ME3 Multiplayer to me cause I sure as hell can't spend everyday staring at this thread...it would drive me nuts mostly out of sheer anticipation!

This. I'm already feeling sick with staring at this thread. It's going to get fully explored shortly, this theory. And when it does, being on these forums is going to be pure pain. We'll be going in circles, tearing holes in our own assumptions, restating things.

It will fully suck.

And we'll still have to wait. I predict theory saturation will occur within a week.

[Elmogaming]

@Phoenix92254
Pshhh your 100% Krogan alright

"I didn't want to read a 100+ pages haha"......

Or As Tali'zorah Vas Normandy would call you... A Boshtet

[Auresta]

Ellestor wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

I'm on board with the idea of Shepard's indoctrination while he lays unconscious at Harbinger's feet—seems obvious to me that Harbinger couldn't resist the opportunity—but I don't buy that the renegade/paragon options are flipped in the way some people are suggesting. That's obviously not the case in the confrontation with TIM, and besides, doesn't the suggestion fall apart in the case of a normally renegade Shepard?

I don't think it falls apart at all...consider the fact that this particular situation takes raw instinct to break out of...intellect is actually your enemy here since its being so distorted and twisted by the Reapers attempts at indoctrination. Making a renegade choice is the only way to fight back against these attempts and complete your mission...

Right, which I'm saying doesn't make sense if Shepard is a renegade. There are people suggesting that the choices are presented the way they are to make the player believe Destroy is a bad choice, that it's presented as renegade when it isn't, and I'm saying that doesn't fit if Shepard has been played as a renegade up to that point. In order to fit the theory, the presentation would have to be flipped.

As for their idea (but not yours, I see) that Destroy is presented as renegade when it shouldn't be: bull****. Destroying the goddamn galaxy in order to destroy the Reapers is absolutely a renegade action. The Renegade has always been the one that's about sacrificing whatever you have to in order to achieve your goal, as long as the sacrifice isn't yours.

And it's because that sacrifice is what the Reapers are intended to destroy, and because that's the only choice through which Harbinger apparently allows Shepard to wake, that I contend it is the one he wants Shepard to make. Much as Saren was indoctrinated to believe organics will survive by serving the Reapers and TIM was indoctrinated to believe he could save humanity by controlling them, I've been saying that Shepard's indoctrination would naturally settle on convincing him that he can destroy the Reapers by destroying what they want destroyed.

How does destroy destroy the galaxy? The Mass Relays are destroyed in all options and Earth doesn't get blown up in either endings if you have high enough EMS.

[k8ee]

krystalevenstar wrote...

What's this unused bit of dialog between femshep and Anderson?

Edit: OH GOD THAT'S CRUSHING.

But what if the actual ending parallels the dream and uses that extra dialog O_O

I know, wasn't that just devestating?

[beatrix.kiddo.bride]

 Thanks OP, you have given me hope for Mass Effect.
Your conclusions make way more sense than that of the current endgame. I would explain a lot more, and make sense of the part where (if you EMS was high enough) Shepard breathes amid rubble.
I can only hope that what you say is true...

[Golferguy758]

Will point this out again. The two discs you get for the PC version. Disc 2 is 6.08 gigs
Disc one is 7.81 gigs Essentially adds up to 14gigs if you include Origin. Now, Looking at the ME3 file on my computer I have a file that is 11 gigs in size. There are 3 gigabytes of information left on those discs.

Also, the amount of memory that the case says is required is 15 gigs. Something is suspicious here. very suspicious.

[Myrmedus]

I personally think this is just people clutching at straws because they can't accept the ending as is.

[Bigdoser]

Ellestor wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

I'm on board with the idea of Shepard's indoctrination while he lays unconscious at Harbinger's feet—seems obvious to me that Harbinger couldn't resist the opportunity—but I don't buy that the renegade/paragon options are flipped in the way some people are suggesting. That's obviously not the case in the confrontation with TIM, and besides, doesn't the suggestion fall apart in the case of a normally renegade Shepard?

I don't think it falls apart at all...consider the fact that this particular situation takes raw instinct to break out of...intellect is actually your enemy here since its being so distorted and twisted by the Reapers attempts at indoctrination. Making a renegade choice is the only way to fight back against these attempts and complete your mission...

Right, which I'm saying doesn't make sense if Shepard is a renegade. There are people suggesting that the choices are presented the way they are to make the player believe Destroy is a bad choice, that it's presented as renegade when it isn't, in order to appeal to a paragon Shepard, and I'm saying that doesn't fit if Shepard has been played as a renegade up to that point. In order to fit the theory, the presentation would have to be flipped.

As for their idea (but not yours, I see) that Destroy is presented as renegade when it shouldn't be: bull****. Destroying the goddamn galaxy in order to destroy the Reapers is absolutely a renegade action. The Renegade has always been the one that's about sacrificing whatever you have to in order to achieve your goal, as long as the sacrifice isn't yours.

And it's because that sacrifice is what the Reapers are intended to destroy, and because that's the only choice through which Harbinger apparently allows Shepard to wake, that I contend it is the one he wants Shepard to make. Much as Saren was indoctrinated to believe organics will survive by serving the Reapers and TIM was indoctrinated to believe he could save humanity by controlling them, I've been saying that Shepard's indoctrination would naturally settle on convincing him that he can destroy the Reapers by destroying what they want destroyed.

Hmm this is quite true cause when picking the intimidate option's with TIM during one of the three conversation's with him renegade shep says that TIM is comprimising with the reapers and thats a sure fire way to get yourself indoctrinated ren shep said that she/he is going to send the reapers to hell no matter what. I mean hell renegade and paragon shep make it clear to TIM that they aim to destory the reapers I think that picking synthesis or control is shepard faultering and comprimising with the reapers and as ren shep says thats a big NO NO. 


As I keep mentioning crucible means severe test or trial you remember how the catalyst makes the destroy ending really, really bad and makes the other two options more appealing. Lets not forget it refers to itself as we instead of I and lets not forget destroy ending is the only ending shepard can survive in. Plus when you see the scene it looks like shepard is on earth and there is no way shepard can survive re entry and still have a body. So it must be shepard waking up and shaking off the indoctrination attempt I think the scene at the end is a test of shepard resolve if he gives in at the last second or refuses to comprimise with the catalyst or as some people say the catalyst might be harbinger. . 

Plus as someone said it seems that harby does not really want to kill shepard I mean in ME2 he says take in shepard alive if you can and lets not forget how hard the collectors wanted shepard's corpse. 

Modifié par Bigdoser, 12 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[TamiBx]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

I'm still on my "some stuff on the disc unlocked after everyone has had a chance to beat it" conspiracy theory.

Yeah, but someone have found it? I mean, I don't know much at all about computers, but I'm pretty sure someone would have located it in that mass of code, right?

Different for PC than Consoles. Also, my Mass Effect 3 file on my computer is 10 gigs. The requirements for the game is 15gigs.

Somethign fishy BW, something fishy

Now that you mention it, we barely use disc 1 on Xbox. I mean, we use up until Mars, and then we switch to disc 2 for the G. Academy mission and then we go all the way on disc 2 until the final mission. Then we go back to disc 1. I didn't really understand why they did that...<_<

[Nette]

k8ee wrote...

Ok I've been away from this thread for a few days, I see it's becoming a monster, but I was thinking about that kid today...

If this is NOT a dream, and we're actually talking to the reaper conscious/mastermind/whatever, why the hell wouldn't it be more interested in Shepard's choice? It's seems obvious that the child form is to induce sympathy for the reapers. What about everything this kid says? Why would Shep believe ANY OF IT? Oh you're the reapers, and you are going to give me the choices for your destruction or salvation? I don't buy it.

Why does the kid's slight aloofness/focus on control or synthesis suggest a it's a hallucination? Because it's really Shep who is making the choice in her head. The kid is the voice of the reapers, trying to play off her desires to save the innocent, and to choose to keep the reapers alive (in any form) with control and synthesis.

I mean, how would Shep actually know that choosing destroy would kill EDI and all the geth? Because the reapers say so? Bull****.

Total dream. Has to be.(insert all our other points we went on about previously here, lol)

That makes sense. Oh god I hope this is the truth!  Just finished the game and I feel...empty  ...it can't end like this...THEY HAVE TO FIX IT!!! FIX IT BIOWARE!!!

[krystalevenstar]

I have a new idea from that audio clip. When Shepard wakes up from the dream ending, in the pile of rubble, she's still going to have to go to the conduit to activate the crucible, maybe Anderson goes with her then. Maybe this won't have to be a DLC, maybe it's just some tweaks to the current ending, minus the dream-y aspects, IF you passed the indoctrination check. Maybe after Shepard activates the crucible, there's the full conversation with Anderson, who unfortunately still passes away (but it kind of expected), and then the crucible goes off how it was supposed to. No god child, but the reapers are destroyed. The normandy comes into the citadel and gets shepard, shepard wakes up at some point after.

That means the actual ending is probably on the disk and just super locked until bioware patches it open.

o_o

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 12 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[Ellestor]

Auresta wrote...

How does destroy destroy the galaxy? The Mass Relays are destroyed in all options and Earth doesn't get blown up in either endings if you have high enough EMS.

I think destroying all synthetic life and most technology qualifies as achieving the Reapers' ends, resetting the cycle for the spacefaring races, which are supposedly the only ones the Reapers care to eliminate to prevent a singularity. Them and the synthetics they create.

Modifié par Ellestor, 12 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[d-boy15]

This theory remind me of an INCEPTION

[Auresta]

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Modifié par Auresta, 12 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[QwertyMusicMan]

Hm... this reminds me of Portal 2, actually. There are a number of inconsistencies with Portal 2's ending, all of which point at the world immediately outside of aperture being a test, and that GLaDOS is Chell's mother, and Rat Man is her father.

In that case, I thought that Valve either overlooked these things, or that they were intended to provoke discussion.

With Bioware, though, I don't know. They are equally talented writers, it's just not their style to put-in a fake ending, or tease that it is wrong or something. Although I do desperately want to believe it.