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[benben84]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

benben84 wrote...

PAX should be very interesting!
http://www.thatvideo...cement-for-pax/

hmmm.. sounds good...

IF it turns out to be an amazing announcement.. I will flood their inbox with love mails and send them cookies and name my dog after them

Haha you guys are funny.....either overlooked what it says in the article or are just gullible...

The authors source is a user from these forums! And the user posted this information on BSN yesterday lol...yesterday was April Fools....the author of that article got the information from a user on these boards....

Still believe it?

I don't believe in anything right now, all SPECULATION!  But...April or not, any news is worth reading.

[Mcfly616]

benben84 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

benben84 wrote...

PAX should be very interesting!
http://www.thatvideo...cement-for-pax/

hmmm.. sounds good...

IF it turns out to be an amazing announcement.. I will flood their inbox with love mails and send them cookies and name my dog after them

Haha you guys are funny.....either overlooked what it says in the article or are just gullible...

The authors source is a user from these forums! And the user posted this information on BSN yesterday lol...yesterday was April Fools....the author of that article got the information from a user on these boards....

Still believe it?

I don't believe in anything right now, all SPECULATION!  But...April or not, any news is worth reading.

Well just in case you didn't believe me entirely, here's the authors source(that he refers to in the article):

http://social.biowar.../index/10869458

Straight from these forums.....yesterday

[Dendio1]

Kroen135 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

aside from a hologram (which can easily be doctored to those who view the transmission to make him look like normal)

Citation?
Has anyone in the history of mass effect ever doctored their hologram appearance to be inconsistent with their actual appearance?

Not directly but if you look at the fact that (On Mars ME3) the Illusive man sets down but to Shep and Liara he's still standing there. There really doesn't seem to be a need to show what is actually on the other side to the ones viewing. Purely specualtion however.

Hes standing throughout the conversation. Hes also talking about the distinctions between control and destroy right from the start. He labels shepard destroy and himself control in the first conversation. They actually play it out. Shepard makes his intent to destroy immediately, while TIM states his plans for control. Interesting.

If the the first conversation with tim has shepard outright declare his choice, then why ask the players to make the choice for him at the end of the game? Why show anderson, when they should be showing shepard...could that another reason that destroy is the only ending that gives the bonus video? Its clear from that first conversation that shepard should be the one shown doing the destroy option

Modifié par Dendio1, 02 avril 2012 - 05:03 .

[nyrocron]

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...
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I know this post is kinda old, but nevertheless I want to respond. The creator of the Final Hours said that he did NOT have the impression that anything was rushed and that the ending was written months before. If we believe this statement then they did not scrap the idea of indoctrination but were experimenting how to implement it. In my opinion the way IDT suggests they did it would be the perfect (and maybe the only viable) way to include the indoctrination of Hepatd in the game.

This is how I frame it, when I have my IT vs Final Hours tin-foil hat on. +1.

Also, Hepatd was my 2nd favorite character in the game...

Answering on iPad without proofreading... 

[zergi]

im glad to see this thread is still going strong

[njfluffy19]

Hey guys.

[njfluffy19]

GUYS!

Guys?



Indoctrination!

[benben84]

njfluffy19 wrote...

GUYS!

Guys?



Indoctrination!

http://en.wikipedia..../Indoctrination

[LiarasShield]

Thank you for clearing that up rose Gomen Na sai

[schneeland]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Look at what bioware announced!

http://www.trueachie...t-3s-ending.htm

Should've posted this yesterday....

I am absolutely intrigued by the idea of the Normandy as Limbo ... they could drop random Dante quotes in the game as hints

[njfluffy19]

benben84 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

GUYS!

Guys?



Indoctrination!

http://en.wikipedia..../Indoctrination

Ho-hum. Very informational.

[Chyliss]

Dendio1 wrote...

Something big happened here. Up until this point TIM wants control and opposes the reapers. TIM starts to find ways to control husks..substantial breakthroughs occur. The reapers attack and destroy sanctuary. They are clearly on opposing sides. The next time we see Illusive man it as after assaulting whats left of the cerberus main base

The line is drawn here----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On the other side of the line we have
Tim allows Kai Leng his opportunity to kill shepard. Up until this point Leng was told to avoid killing Shepard if possible.

Tim shares intel with the reapers- Even if TIM wanted to control the reapers this is a moral event horizon. He crossed the line by sharing intel with the enemy

TIM- has bonifide reaper tech by now. We dont know when it happened, but we can say he has it after sanctuary based on the video

TIM sacrifices cerberus!- TIM is cerberus. If anything would represent paragon in TIM's head it would be cerberus. TIM wants to save humanity..thats his M.O. even if its misguided. In me2 TIM says as much *cerberus is humanity*.
At this stage cerberus is fully dematerialized. Shepard sitting in the Illusive mans seat is as strong an image as one could come up with.

Slowly but surely everything that defines TIM is deconstructed, until it all comes to a head. TIM, the man who loves humanity the most, the man who sees both himself and cerberus as humanity, begins to fundamentally change his entire belief system. Suddenly Humanity must evolve to a higher plane. Suddenly control and taking abilities from the reapers was key. I wanted to ask him how far he was willing to go. He was merging with the reapers under the guise of control. At this point I was waiting for the words * more than human* to come along.

Alas my shepard started getting to him...the logic bombs started to work. The rest of the encounter is a chilling recount of ME1 and my conversations with saren.

Toss enough logic bombs at saren and he starts to question himself. Then suddenly he gets angry and accuses me of undoing all he worked for . Later on he commits suicide as the only way to end the voices.

Toss enough logic bombs at TIM and he starts to question himself. Then suddenly he gets angry and accuses me of undoing all he worked for . Later on he commits suicide as the only way to end the voices.

Great post here. let me throw out some more food for thought. I've read that Indoctrination began on TIM quite some time ago (in the books apparently). The long, slow Indoctrination process involves "planting suggestions". What happens if we view ALL of Cerberus' research initiatives as being initiated by the Reapers under the cover of Cerberus? As in they planted the idea to get TIM to do their dirty work in preparation for their return? What would be the implications? What research have we been told is important to Cerberus/TIM?

- Project Lazarus
- Project Overlord
- Element zero on humans
- EDI
- Sanctuary
- Mars/Crucible
- Others?

And how does Shepard fit into it? Personally I think the Reapers want Synthesis but don't know how to achieve it. TIM was manipulated into thinking his research initiatives would offer Control whilst unknowingly doing the necessary research to bring about Synthesis. I think TIM figured all along that he could manipulate/control the Reapers right up until the end. It was only then that he realized he was indoctrinated and couldn't control the reapers, even with all of his technology and implants. So he needed Shepard to do it in the end because Shep wasn't indoctrinated (although the Reapers were attempting it on him.).

Yeah, that was a brain dump. Just throwin it out there! Feel free to ignore.

[njfluffy19]

How does Project Lazarus factor in as an implication? They wanted Shepard? It was clear that the Reapers had the Collectors searching for Shep's body as well.

[n00bsauce2010]

[quote]Chyliss wrote...


[/quote]

Great post here. let me throw out some more food for thought. I've read that Indoctrination began on TIM quite some time ago (in the books apparently). The long, slow Indoctrination process involves "planting suggestions". What happens if we view ALL of Cerberus' research initiatives as being initiated by the Reapers under the cover of Cerberus? As in they planted the idea to get TIM to do their dirty work in preparation for their return? What would be the implications? What research have we been told is important to Cerberus/TIM?

- Project Lazarus
- Project Overlord
- Element zero on humans
- EDI
- Sanctuary
- Mars/Crucible
- Others?

And how does Shepard fit into it? Personally I think the Reapers want Synthesis but don't know how to achieve it. TIM was manipulated into thinking his research initiatives would offer Control whilst unknowingly doing the necessary research to bring about Synthesis. I think TIM figured all along that he could manipulate/control the Reapers right up until the end. It was only then that he realized he was indoctrinated and couldn't control the reapers, even with all of his technology and implants. So he needed Shepard to do it in the end because Shep wasn't indoctrinated (although the Reapers were attempting it on him.).

Yeah, that was a brain dump. Just throwin it out there! Feel free to ignore. [/quote]

The reapers are a product of synthesis though. They know how to achieve it. they turn the most valuable species during each cycle into a reaper core (ex: human reaper) and then it is the basis for a capital ship or a destroyer.

[zakaryzb]

wheelierdan wrote...

PROOF!

Haha, this is gold.  I lost it at "Hold the wine!".

[khyvari]

Bringing down Cerberus was 12th labor of Hercules in Greek mytholgy. Cerberus was a three headed dog who was the gate keeper of the Underworld. He decided who could enter and leave. Specifically, Hercules had to bring Cerberus down without a weapon.

[schneeland]

[quote]n00bsauce2010 wrote...

[...]

And how does Shepard fit into it? Personally I think the Reapers want Synthesis but don't know how to achieve it. TIM was manipulated into thinking his research initiatives would offer Control whilst unknowingly doing the necessary research to bring about Synthesis. I think TIM figured all along that he could manipulate/control the Reapers right up until the end. It was only then that he realized he was indoctrinated and couldn't control the reapers, even with all of his technology and implants. So he needed Shepard to do it in the end because Shep wasn't indoctrinated (although the Reapers were attempting it on him.).

Yeah, that was a brain dump. Just throwin it out there! Feel free to ignore. [/quote]

The reapers are a product of synthesis though. They know how to achieve it. they turn the most valuable species during each cycle into a reaper core (ex: human reaper) and then it is the basis for a capital ship or a destroyer.

[/quote]

Well, the problem I have with that, is that
a) I am unclear about what the reapers gain through synthesis
 I still don't believe its anywhere near possible if you don't consider cyborgs like Shepard the product of synthesis.

[byne]

Anything new since I went to bed?

[Unschuld]

njfluffy19 wrote...

How does Project Lazarus factor in as an implication? They wanted Shepard? It was clear that the Reapers had the Collectors searching for Shep's body as well.

Speculation, really. I'm under the impression that (what it could be, anyway) TIM did it for what he saw was in the best interests for humanity... unaware that the reapers have been controlling him subtly since the first contact war. Sovereign failed, but the reapers saw that if Shepard could rally the whole galaxy/humanity into one place, they could be more easily reaped.

Really, it's just speculation and conjecture at this point right now. We may never find out, but I hope we do. Otherwise the current situation is unpalatable.

[Unschuld]

khyvari wrote...

Bringing down Cerberus was 12th labor of Hercules in Greek mytholgy. Cerberus was a three headed dog who was the gate keeper of the Underworld. He decided who could enter and leave. Specifically, Hercules had to bring Cerberus down without a weapon.

OOOOOooooooOOOOoooOOOooOOOOOOOOoooooOOOO!!!

[schneeland]

byne wrote...

Anything new since I went to bed?

Guess not. Looks like we have even run out of trolls.

[byne]

schneeland wrote...

byne wrote...

Anything new since I went to bed?

Guess not. Looks like we have even run out of trolls.

Well thats no fun.

[schneeland]

Unschuld wrote...

khyvari wrote...

Bringing down Cerberus was 12th labor of Hercules in Greek mytholgy. Cerberus was a three headed dog who was the gate keeper of the Underworld. He decided who could enter and leave. Specifically, Hercules had to bring Cerberus down without a weapon.

OOOOOooooooOOOOoooOOOooOOOOOOOOoooooOOOO!!!

I am not sure whether Atlas mechs can actually be punched to death ...

[byne]

schneeland wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

khyvari wrote...

Bringing down Cerberus was 12th labor of Hercules in Greek mytholgy. Cerberus was a three headed dog who was the gate keeper of the Underworld. He decided who could enter and leave. Specifically, Hercules had to bring Cerberus down without a weapon.

OOOOOooooooOOOOoooOOOooOOOOOOOOoooooOOOO!!!

I am not sure whether Atlas mechs can actually be punched to death ...

They can. I've done it on my krogan a few times.

[Rksmithers]

maxloef wrote...

Quick note currently at Tuchanka dream sequence and i can hear distinctly... trust yourself and dont trust him...also ...you cant save him... is being said allot when you are at the final section

can you elaborate on that... i dont think i understand what your talking about...