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[Martukis]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm kind of down right now After beating ME3 I felt kinda numb for a while... now the sadness starts.. sadness that the trilogy is finished, that Shep's story is over.. I really should stop listening to "Vigil".. *sob*

I will console you with this:

oh god.... what if...

... the godchild was sandal???

 Ever notice how Sandal's "not enchantment" in DA2 looks a lot like stasis?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

byne wrote...
Cause you could theoretically read "norcat_dream2" as "Normandy Catalyst Dream 2", which would be interesting.

I'm pretty sure it reads like that, because really, what else.

But it might just mean that the devs called the kid catalyst internally.

[Crysis I]

i'm banking on the fact that when sheperd gets hit by harbingers laser he just is dreaming and there is no indoctrination or any other crap, and when he takes the breath at the end of the game it's him waking up from the dream and then yea something like that lol

[Kill-Joy]

The sounds post was mentioned some time ago. I've been following it, and the most recent audio clips are meh
http://social.biowar...432/20#10910473

[lex0r11]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...


oh god.... what if...

... the godchild was sandal???

Oh, he most definitely created the reapers, but why?

[n00bsauce2010]

Kill-Joy wrote...

The sounds post was mentioned some time ago. I've been following it, and the most recent audio clips are meh
http://social.biowar...432/20#10910473

Interesting though. Definitley some wierd background noises there.

[khyvari]

n00bsauce2010, yes and yes! Jelly Babies for you! The writers at Bioware are using some of the most powerful heroic themes here and throughout the trilogy. It is not a stretch to imply that Shepards' journey is very similar to the one undertaken by Hercules who is an epic hero in Greek myth and Western literature. I also need to correct myself; the river wasn't Styx but Acheron, the river of pain and the mother of all rivers in the Underworld. I am some years away from my classical training...

[n00bsauce2010]

khyvari wrote...

n00bsauce2010, yes and yes! Jelly Babies for you! The writers at Bioware are using some of the most powerful heroic themes here and throughout the trilogy. It is not a stretch to imply that Shepards' journey is very similar to the one undertaken by Hercules who is an epic hero in Greek myth and Western literature. I also need to correct myself; the river wasn't Styx but Acheron, the river of pain and the mother of all rivers in the Underworld. I am some years away from my classical training...

Ok.. so according to the IDT where is shepard currently on this Hercules-type journey? And what has yet to be fufilled.

[Ms_Alison_Gunn]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

khyvari wrote...

n00bsauce2010, yes and yes! Jelly Babies for you! The writers at Bioware are using some of the most powerful heroic themes here and throughout the trilogy. It is not a stretch to imply that Shepards' journey is very similar to the one undertaken by Hercules who is an epic hero in Greek myth and Western literature. I also need to correct myself; the river wasn't Styx but Acheron, the river of pain and the mother of all rivers in the Underworld. I am some years away from my classical training...

Ok.. so according to the IDT where is shepard currently on this Hercules-type journey? And what has yet to be fufilled.

Well I haven't seen Shepard clean out a stable full of horse crap yet. So there's one trial still left, at least.

[Rifneno]

Damn, I really need to go back and edit that badending find post to mention the the other 2 endings don't have such telling names.
Anyway, I'd be very surprised if this was finished up in a Mass Effect 4 rather than a DLC. Remember that they told us time and again, even from ME1, that this would be the end of Shepard's story. So ME4 won't be about Shepard, if it is ever made. But Shepard can survive the "ending" of ME3. Meaning in order for ME4 to happen, Shepard would need to either get up and dust himself off in London, say "screw it" and retire as the Reapers ravage the galaxy, or be he'd have to be killed off screen. The first one is just not going to happen and the second one would make no sense whatsoever to do after they specifically gave us a difficult to achieve ending where Shepard lives. They'd basically be yelling "psych!" and grabbing back their "Shepard lives" scene. Makes no sense. So yeah, I'm going with DLC. And I'd estimate upwards of a 90% chance that it'll be free. Just bad business sense to further ****** off the enraged customers. Unless it's a major expansion and not a DLC, then perhaps I could see a price tag as it'd be a lot of content.

As for it just being a dream and not indoctrination, that requires you ignore all the evidence leading up to the beam and the fact that Shepard can only wake up if he picks destroy. If it's just a dream, what does it matter what he picks? You can suffer all kinds of stupid deaths and your dreams and be fine. I had a dream where a plane crashed on me. If I can survive stupid dream deaths, I'm pretty sure Shepard can.

[Giskler]

So, why has everyone been saying that if you have really low EMS the only ending you are allowed to pick is destroy?

I just finished my worst possible run and I had something like 700 EMS, the only option I was given was control... so the worst possible ending is actually control, not destroy.

I just dont understand why everyone whos been trying to show down the theory have repeatedly pointed to the fact that the lowest EMS gives you only the destroy option when thats clearly not true.

[Sire Styx]

Giskler wrote...

So, why has everyone been saying that if you have really low EMS the only ending you are allowed to pick is destroy?

I just finished my worst possible run and I had something like 700 EMS, the only option I was given was control... so the worst possible ending is actually control, not destroy.

I just dont understand why everyone whos been trying to show down the theory have repeatedly pointed to the fact that the lowest EMS gives you only the destroy option when thats clearly not true.

You get control if you kept the collector base.

[n00bsauce2010]

Giskler wrote...

So, why has everyone been saying that if you have really low EMS the only ending you are allowed to pick is destroy?

I just finished my worst possible run and I had something like 700 EMS, the only option I was given was control... so the worst possible ending is actually control, not destroy.

I just dont understand why everyone whos been trying to show down the theory have repeatedly pointed to the fact that the lowest EMS gives you only the destroy option when thats clearly not true.

You get one choice with the lowest ems possible. It depends on whether or not you destroyed the collector base in mass effect 2. Destroying the base gets you destroy (I think) and saving it gets you control.

[Jaxitty]

Has anyone made a Wiki about this? Would be a great way for others to get filled in without reading 1000+ pages, and true or not (dependent on Pax announcement) would at the very least be a record of how devoted the fans were to a coherent ending.

[schneeland]

Rifneno wrote...
[...]
So yeah, I'm going with DLC. And I'd estimate upwards of a 90% chance that it'll be free. Just bad business sense to further ****** off the enraged customers. Unless it's a major expansion and not a DLC, then perhaps I could see a price tag as it'd be a lot of content.

As for it just being a dream and not indoctrination, that requires you ignore all the evidence leading up to the beam and the fact that Shepard can only wake up if he picks destroy. If it's just a dream, what does it matter what he picks? You can suffer all kinds of stupid deaths and your dreams and be fine. I had a dream where a plane crashed on me. If I can survive stupid dream deaths, I'm pretty sure Shepard can.

Well, they may have something like DA:O Awakening in their sleeves, but I also hold DLC to be more likely (maybe of about the LotSB dimensions). I also assume that it will be free (even if they had originally planned a price tag, I don't think, they can reasonably do anything but free in the context of the current situation).

Regarding dream vs. indoc:
While I also believe indoc is much more likely, we don't know for sure that Shepard doesn't wake up for the other variants. In fact, he may still wake up, just not immediately ... and he may be changed, when he wakes up then. This is actually one of the parts where I am really unsure how things will play out. Mostly because I expect more (Shepard-)gameplay and that wouldn't work too well with a dead Shepard

[n00bsauce2010]

Jaxitty wrote...

Has anyone made a Wiki about this? Would be a great way for others to get filled in without reading 1000+ pages, and true or not (dependent on Pax announcement) would at the very least be a record of how devoted the fans were to a coherent ending.

It's actually a pretty good idea.

[Giskler]

Odd. Everything I've read always said destroy was the only option regardless if you have terrible EMS.

Control is still the worst ending since keeping the collector base ups the EMS requirement for the different outcomes.

[schneeland]

Jaxitty wrote...

Has anyone made a Wiki about this? Would be a great way for others to get filled in without reading 1000+ pages, and true or not (dependent on Pax announcement) would at the very least be a record of how devoted the fans were to a coherent ending.

Not exactly a wiki, but some of the original authors of IT have setup a special forum related to theory crafting in video games here .

[n00bsauce2010]

schneeland wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
[...]
So yeah, I'm going with DLC. And I'd estimate upwards of a 90% chance that it'll be free. Just bad business sense to further ****** off the enraged customers. Unless it's a major expansion and not a DLC, then perhaps I could see a price tag as it'd be a lot of content.

As for it just being a dream and not indoctrination, that requires you ignore all the evidence leading up to the beam and the fact that Shepard can only wake up if he picks destroy. If it's just a dream, what does it matter what he picks? You can suffer all kinds of stupid deaths and your dreams and be fine. I had a dream where a plane crashed on me. If I can survive stupid dream deaths, I'm pretty sure Shepard can.

Well, they may have something like DA:O Awakening in their sleeves, but I also hold DLC to be more likely (maybe of about the LotSB dimensions). I also assume that it will be free (even if they had originally planned a price tag, I don't think, they can reasonably do anything but free in the context of the current situation).

Regarding dream vs. indoc:
While I also believe indoc is much more likely, we don't know for sure that Shepard doesn't wake up for the other variants. In fact, he may still wake up, just not immediately ... and he may be changed, when he wakes up then. This is actually one of the parts where I am really unsure how things will play out. Mostly because I expect more (Shepard-)gameplay and that wouldn't work too well with a dead Shepard

A major expansion.. like 6-10 hours of gameplay added will have a price tag definitely. The ending dlc I'm assuming will be free depending on how big it is. IMO an expansion like awakening makes the most sense.. it seems to be the only logical explanation for cutting out the ending (if it was cut) they merely wanted to draw things out. But if they just merely cut a 30 minutes to 1 hour part of the game to put out as DLC.. that's just wrong.

[Rifneno]

Jaxitty wrote...

Has anyone made a Wiki about this? Would be a great way for others to get filled in without reading 1000+ pages, and true or not (dependent on Pax announcement) would at the very least be a record of how devoted the fans were to a coherent ending.

The problem with a wiki is that anyone can edit it.  Note the amount of trolls IT gets.

schneeland wrote...

While I also believe indoc is much more likely, we don't know for sure that Shepard doesn't wake up for the other variants. In fact, he may still wake up, just not immediately ... and he may be changed, when he wakes up then. This is actually one of the parts where I am really unsure how things will play out. Mostly because I expect more (Shepard-)gameplay and that wouldn't work too well with a dead Shepard

Actually, we do know.  The Prima guide (official, written with BW info) and the community manager's twitter both confirm that Shepard only lives in the destroy ending.

[Jaxitty]

schneeland wrote...

Jaxitty wrote...

Has anyone made a Wiki about this? Would be a great way for others to get filled in without reading 1000+ pages, and true or not (dependent on Pax announcement) would at the very least be a record of how devoted the fans were to a coherent ending.

Not exactly a wiki, but some of the original authors of IT have setup a special forum related to theory crafting in video games here .

Still, those of you who have all the bullet points and the theories down pat, writing it up (or using that doc that was floating around) would a be a great way of url-ing people with something consise and to the point.

[schneeland]

Rifneno wrote...

schneeland wrote...

While I also believe indoc is much more likely, we don't know for sure that Shepard doesn't wake up for the other variants. In fact, he may still wake up, just not immediately ... and he may be changed, when he wakes up then. This is actually one of the parts where I am really unsure how things will play out. Mostly because I expect more (Shepard-)gameplay and that wouldn't work too well with a dead Shepard

Actually, we do know.  The Prima guide (official, written with BW info) and the community manager's twitter both confirm that Shepard only lives in the destroy ending.

Well, that's true if we take what we have now. Speculating about what comes after the indoc sequence I just wondered whether the deaths in the other endings are really permanent.

[blueboxblues]

Giskler wrote...

Odd. Everything I've read always said destroy was the only option regardless if you have terrible EMS.

Control is still the worst ending since keeping the collector base ups the EMS requirement for the different outcomes.

I think if you chose to save the collector's base in ME2, your only choice with low EMS is control. If you chose to destroy it ME2 and have low EMS then your only option is destroy. Someone correct this if I'm wrong please.

[schneeland]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

[...]
A major expansion.. like 6-10 hours of gameplay added will have a price tag definitely. The ending dlc I'm assuming will be free depending on how big it is. IMO an expansion like awakening makes the most sense.. it seems to be the only logical explanation for cutting out the ending (if it was cut) they merely wanted to draw things out. But if they just merely cut a 30 minutes to 1 hour part of the game to put out as DLC.. that's just wrong.

Well, I would love another 10 hours of gameplay (took about 40 for the game we currently have), but my gut feeling tells me that won't happen. I'd rather expect 1.5 - 2 hours of "finish the fight" gameplay.
And then, of course, Omega DLC, additional multiplay map DLC, new fish DLC, toys for space hamster DLC ...

[khyvari]

The fight with Cerberus is the 12th and final labor set out by his (Hercules) arch-nemesis Eurystheus. You see Hercules had committed a terrible (driven to madness by the jealous wife of Zeus, Hercules murdered his own children) "crime" (Shepard ie: Akuze, Elysium, Torfan, psychological profiles), to atone for this crime Hercules visited the Oracle of Delphi (Shepard "visits" Eden Prime and encounters the Beacon), and was counseled to report to King Eurystheus (Hercules arch-nemesis), where he was set on the 12 labors to atone for his crime. For Shepard his arch-nemesis is TIM. Hercules, for most of his life, had been in thrall to Eurystheus, the completion of his labors would set him free. For Shepard perhaps the hold of indoctrination (if you don't like indoctrination think "pride") Herecules 12 labors are like fetch quests for the most important pieces of information and technology throughout the trilogy. In the end when Hercules drags Cerberus back to Eurystheus, Eurystheus is so afraid of Hercules he goes into hiding forever. This is a thread for speculation, however, and in the spirit of that, I thought it would be stimulating to bring out one of the most heroic metaphors in Western culture.