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[llbountyhunter]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Garrus, Tali, and Liara are the best. Because they were the ones that actually supported Shepard the whole time. Unlike those two pieces of crap from the Alliance. I'm only sorry that I couldn't leave them both on Virmire.

Garrus, Garrus, Garrus!

jack?

Jack!

My third favorite character currently.

they have the most exciting romance...

 

[schneeland]

llbountyhunter wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

zakaryzb wrote...

 Liara is clearly the best character, why are we even bothering with anyone else? 

Im a Tali man myself. She is adorable!<3

I happen to perfer Dr. chakwas.

I concur. Chakwas was/is one of the characters I really like in Mass Effect.

But then it is quite a shame that Wrex never made it back to the crew ... in ME 1 he was the character I liked the most (besides Liara, but I think, women with whom you share your bed do not count )

[Tzayqa]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Tzayqa wrote...

 Here's my primary problem with the whole theory presented in this thread (other than that whole 'simplest explanation' thing):
If this theory is correct, and what we saw wasn't the actual ending... Since it is what we have, that means they were going to try to sell us the actual ending as DLC. The game wouldn't actually have had an ending until we paid for it.

Note the use of past tense, in light of announcements from Bioware. I can't even imagine the crapstorm they would have gotten for the above, were the theory in this thread true.

At least a dozen (if not much more) oppenents of this thread have stated the exact same thing. All it does is prove that they didn't reach much about the theory and have little knowledge as to its actual arguments.

This theory posits that the distribution method could either be A) a patch/update, a patch/update on PC/unlock on Xbox/PS3 disc (least likely and mostly debunked), or C) a free DLC in the vein of the free DLC content provided through the Cerberus Network for ME2, meaning that it's free for people who bought the game new, providing a massive twist and anti-piracy measure simultaneously (this is thought as the most likely method).

In other words, they don't have to SELL it to us if they make it free content through Alliance Network (or whatever it's called for ME3) or a patch/update. Which, if it was planned beforehand, would have been accounted for in the budget for the full game.

What does stating "prove they didn't reach much about the theory and have little knowledge as to its actual arguments" have to do with anything?

Basically all that says is you have nothing to back up the fact that having the actual ending to the game as DLC, free or not, would be a horrendous practice. DLC and patches are meant to enhance the core content, not provide core content that is missing entirely.

In light of that, I can only guess you said what you did in order to insult others of differing opinions based off of your own flawed assumptions about them. How enlightened.

[CLB17]

Vahilor wrote...

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Vox77 wrote...

As this thread is over 1100 pages now, I haven't read every post. So if this has already been mentioned, pardon my ignorance.

I think there may be some truth to IT. That said, as a point of evidence that I haven't seen mentioned before is when TIM shows up on the Citadel and forces Shep to point his gun at Anderson. As Shepard raises the gun towards Anderson, Anderson raises the same arm at Shepard.

I realize that if a gun is pointed at someone, they may raise their hands as an instinctual defense, but from my first play-through, I found it interesting that the arm Anderson raises would be the same arm Shepard holds the pistol in.

Just my observations on an element in the games last minutes that seem to fit with hallucination or IT of the games ending.

that is interesting.
note:
tell him about the space hamster
what about the space hamster?

SPace Hamster indoctrinated Shep.. he was in his room all the time !!

oh my god.

[Vox77]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Vox77 wrote...

As this thread is over 1100 pages now, I haven't read every post. So if this has already been mentioned, pardon my ignorance.

I think there may be some truth to IT. That said, as a point of evidence that I haven't seen mentioned before is when TIM shows up on the Citadel and forces Shep to point his gun at Anderson. As Shepard raises the gun towards Anderson, Anderson raises the same arm at Shepard.

I realize that if a gun is pointed at someone, they may raise their hands as an instinctual defense, but from my first play-through, I found it interesting that the arm Anderson raises would be the same arm Shepard holds the pistol in.

Just my observations on an element in the games last minutes that seem to fit with hallucination or IT of the games ending.

Neat. Never noticed it before.

I kept waiting to see it mentioned in a post or vid, figured I'd share my 2 cents worth of IT evidence

[Humakt83]

It came up from another thread that Illusive Man's suit is supposed to withstand close-range weapon fire. That originates from the Shadow Broker files from ME 2 dlc.

[balance5050]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Vox77 wrote...

As this thread is over 1100 pages now, I haven't read every post. So if this has already been mentioned, pardon my ignorance.

I think there may be some truth to IT. That said, as a point of evidence that I haven't seen mentioned before is when TIM shows up on the Citadel and forces Shep to point his gun at Anderson. As Shepard raises the gun towards Anderson, Anderson raises the same arm at Shepard.

I realize that if a gun is pointed at someone, they may raise their hands as an instinctual defense, but from my first play-through, I found it interesting that the arm Anderson raises would be the same arm Shepard holds the pistol in.

Just my observations on an element in the games last minutes that seem to fit with hallucination or IT of the games ending.

Neat. Never noticed it before.

Yeah, it kind of reinforces the idea that anderson represents the part of his brain that isn't indoctrinated. And goes along with the point that Shepard is bleeding from the same spot where he shot Anderson.

[Either.Ardrey]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

zakaryzb wrote...

 Liara is clearly the best character, why are we even bothering with anyone else? 

Im a Tali man myself. She is adorable!<3

What, no love for Ash?  She's clearly best. 

I say Liara is best. I am the ThreadMaster™. I have spoken.

I agree.

@everyone: This is really just a case of to each their own.

I've heard arguments for why Liara is least interesting character, and then I have my own thoughts/revalations from her being my favorite character. It all boils down to personality traits one finds interesting/attractive. I like Liara because, as Kaiden put it, she is the bookish sort. Generally introverted and unfamiliar with human interactions at the beginning, slowly improving over time. Some found her manner boring, while other's extremely indentifiable (which is my case, as I am introverted and have a weak understanding of human social interactions and protocol).

[RussianSpy27]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Vox77 wrote...

As this thread is over 1100 pages now, I haven't read every post. So if this has already been mentioned, pardon my ignorance.

I think there may be some truth to IT. That said, as a point of evidence that I haven't seen mentioned before is when TIM shows up on the Citadel and forces Shep to point his gun at Anderson. As Shepard raises the gun towards Anderson, Anderson raises the same arm at Shepard.

I realize that if a gun is pointed at someone, they may raise their hands as an instinctual defense, but from my first play-through, I found it interesting that the arm Anderson raises would be the same arm Shepard holds the pistol in.

Just my observations on an element in the games last minutes that seem to fit with hallucination or IT of the games ending.

Neat. Never noticed it before.

Yes, very neat indeed. And why make it an artistic point to show S profusely bleeding from the same side he shot Anderson in? Where did it come from? 

[Eshaye]

Rifneno wrote...

Damn, I really need to go back and edit that badending find post to mention the the other 2 endings don't have such telling names.
Anyway, I'd be very surprised if this was finished up in a Mass Effect 4 rather than a DLC. Remember that they told us time and again, even from ME1, that this would be the end of Shepard's story. So ME4 won't be about Shepard, if it is ever made. But Shepard can survive the "ending" of ME3. Meaning in order for ME4 to happen, Shepard would need to either get up and dust himself off in London, say "screw it" and retire as the Reapers ravage the galaxy, or be he'd have to be killed off screen. The first one is just not going to happen and the second one would make no sense whatsoever to do after they specifically gave us a difficult to achieve ending where Shepard lives. They'd basically be yelling "psych!" and grabbing back their "Shepard lives" scene. Makes no sense. So yeah, I'm going with DLC. And I'd estimate upwards of a 90% chance that it'll be free. Just bad business sense to further ****** off the enraged customers. Unless it's a major expansion and not a DLC, then perhaps I could see a price tag as it'd be a lot of content.

As for it just being a dream and not indoctrination, that requires you ignore all the evidence leading up to the beam and the fact that Shepard can only wake up if he picks destroy. If it's just a dream, what does it matter what he picks? You can suffer all kinds of stupid deaths and your dreams and be fine. I had a dream where a plane crashed on me. If I can survive stupid dream deaths, I'm pretty sure Shepard can.

You just got me thinking, and sorry if anyone brought this up first I just don't have time to read all the posts, but what if what they meant to do was have Shepard as a boss in ME4? Kinda like what they did/are doing to the The Old Republic?

[schneeland]

Rifneno wrote...
[...] I'm only sorry that I couldn't leave them both on Virmire.

Rifneno, should we ever meet in person, I owe you a beer for that statement.

[llbountyhunter]

schneeland wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

zakaryzb wrote...

 Liara is clearly the best character, why are we even bothering with anyone else? 

Im a Tali man myself. She is adorable!<3

I happen to perfer Dr. chakwas.

I concur. Chakwas was/is one of the characters I really like in Mass Effect.

But then it is quite a shame that Wrex never made it back to the crew ... in ME 1 he was the character I liked the most (besides Liara, but I think, women with whom you share your bed do not count )

I felt like punching reave in on of my playthroughs....luckily i saved wrex in another *sigh*

[Dwailing]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

zakaryzb wrote...

 Liara is clearly the best character, why are we even bothering with anyone else? 

Im a Tali man myself. She is adorable!<3

What, no love for Ash?  She's clearly best. 

I say Liara is best. I am the ThreadMaster™. I have spoken.

I agree.

@everyone: This is really just a case of to each their own.

I've heard arguments for why Liara is least interesting character, and then I have my own thoughts/revalations from her being my favorite character. It all boils down to personality traits one finds interesting/attractive. I like Liara because, as Kaiden put it, she is the bookish sort. Generally introverted and unfamiliar with human interactions at the beginning, slowly improving over time. Some found her manner boring, while other's extremely indentifiable (which is my case, as I am introverted and have a weak understanding of human social interactions and protocol).

I know about and wholeheartedly agree with the concept of to each his/her own in terms of characters.  I love them all, to be honest.  Just figured I should throw Ash out there.  And as for her being best, honestly, they are ALL best simply because we've learned to care about them all.

[schneeland]

llbountyhunter wrote...

I felt like punching reave in on of my playthroughs....luckily i saved wrex in another *sigh*

I couldn't stand killing him in any walkthrough (admittedly there were only two) - he's just too awesome.

[RussianSpy27]

CLB17 wrote...

Tzayqa wrote...

 Here's my primary problem with the whole theory presented in this thread (other than that whole 'simplest explanation' thing):
If this theory is correct, and what we saw wasn't the actual ending... Since it is what we have, that means they were going to try to sell us the actual ending as DLC. The game wouldn't actually have had an ending until we paid for it.

Note the use of past tense, in light of announcements from Bioware. I can't even imagine the crapstorm they would have gotten for the above, were the theory in this thread true.

The DLC will most likely be free for people who have the alliance network. But you do have point and that is my only peeve about the IT. However i'd rather that the IT be true if the alternative is space magic. 

Indeed you're correct. See, if the Mass Effect series, or at least ME3 in particular, were part of an episodic game, as say "Sam and Max", then the IT, if true. would have been the PERFECT cliffhanger for the final episode. I truthfully understand why those who oppose IT believe that it makes little economic sense to hurt one's fan ratings so much. 

Nevertheless, whether fully intended right away or not, this is the best solution to all the problems surrounding the endings. In my heart I do truly hope that it WAS planned, but EA and other circumstances pushed BioWare to keep the deadline and they economically deemed it wiser to go along with early March than to fight for later release. Perhaps they didn't anticipate such an uproar and figured that the surprise of IT will set everything back into place. 

Let's hope. 

[Dwailing]

schneeland wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I felt like punching reave in on of my playthroughs....luckily i saved wrex in another *sigh*

I couldn't stand killing him in any walkthrough (admittedly there were only two) - he's just too awesome.

Agreed, only way I'll ever get Wreav is if I decide to just start fresh in either ME2 or ME3.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...


I know about and wholeheartedly agree with the concept of to each his/her own in terms of characters.  I love them all, to be honest.  Just figured I should throw Ash out there.  And as for her being best, honestly, they are ALL best simply because we've learned to care about them all.

Ash is like a less feminine Tex. I dont much care for her.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I know about and wholeheartedly agree with the concept of to each his/her own in terms of characters.  I love them all, to be honest.  Just figured I should throw Ash out there.  And as for her being best, honestly, they are ALL best simply because we've learned to care about them all.

Ash is like a less feminine Tex. I dont much care for her.

Yeah, but Tex doesn't quote poetry. 

[Vahilor]

I never was very fond of Liara, she is ok, but pretty boring for me and without the "Shadow Broker DLC" she doesn't help much either.. and tells you straight into the face that getting the SB is more importan than helping Shep.

The only one not hesitating in helping of the old crew is Garrus.. and I can understand Ash/Kaiden. How would you react if a friend/LI raise from the dead and now work now for terrorists ?

[zakaryzb]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

byne wrote...

I say Liara is best. I am the ThreadMaster™. I have spoken.

I agree.

@everyone: This is really just a case of to each their own.

I've heard arguments for why Liara is least interesting character, and then I have my own thoughts/revalations from her being my favorite character. It all boils down to personality traits one finds interesting/attractive. I like Liara because, as Kaiden put it, she is the bookish sort. Generally introverted and unfamiliar with human interactions at the beginning, slowly improving over time. Some found her manner boring, while other's extremely indentifiable (which is my case, as I am introverted and have a weak understanding of human social interactions and protocol).

I made the mistake of turning down Liara in ME1, I'm so glad Bioware gave me a chance to fix that .

But back on IT, I never noticed how Anderson also raises his right arm when Shepard does. Good find.  Friday cannot come soon enough!

Modifié par zakaryzb, 02 avril 2012 - 11:34 .

[Jaxitty]

CLB17 wrote...

I currently playing the overlord DLC in ME2 and i have to say it looks exactly like the planet the crew crashed on in the ME3 ending. It even has 2 moons like the planet they crash on. It now seems a bit odd that the Hammerhead VI would point out pleasing views of the planet. Its a military vehicle, not some civilian tour bus.

Actualy, from the epilogue, I would say where the Normandy crash lands is a moon of a gas giant or some airless rock planet, either that, or that's one BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG a**ed moon, as in almost as big as the planet itself.

Modifié par Jaxitty, 02 avril 2012 - 11:35 .

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I know about and wholeheartedly agree with the concept of to each his/her own in terms of characters.  I love them all, to be honest.  Just figured I should throw Ash out there.  And as for her being best, honestly, they are ALL best simply because we've learned to care about them all.

Ash is like a less feminine Tex. I dont much care for her.

Yeah, but Tex doesn't quote poetry. 

But between someone who quotes poetry, and Agent Tex, I'd totally want Tex on my team.

[Golferguy758]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I know about and wholeheartedly agree with the concept of to each his/her own in terms of characters.  I love them all, to be honest.  Just figured I should throw Ash out there.  And as for her being best, honestly, they are ALL best simply because we've learned to care about them all.

Ash is like a less feminine Tex. I dont much care for her.

Yeah, but Tex doesn't quote poetry. 

No, she goes to red base.
Kills everybody.
Gets the flag back.