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SirBob1613 wrote...

No he wasnt indoctrinated go back to thessia and the prothean data thing would have dectected if you where indoctrinated


This thread is 1,123 pages because we've addressed that 1,123 goddamn times.

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Dwailing wrote...

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Are we talking about red vs blue now lol :D


Yup. It happens from time to time.:happy:


Yeah, that's what happens when you throw a bunch of RvB fans together.


Speaking of RvB, on the last RT podcast Burnie (Church) said he and Gus (Simmons) liked the endings, which is disappointing.


 


yeah so i've heard, its cool thoughPosted Image

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Rifneno wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

No he wasnt indoctrinated go back to thessia and the prothean data thing would have dectected if you where indoctrinated


This thread is 1,123 pages because we've addressed that 1,123 goddamn times.

So you think this thread has reached consensus and there's nothing more to discuss? I disagree! ;)

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Rifneno wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

No he wasnt indoctrinated go back to thessia and the prothean data thing would have dectected if you where indoctrinated


This thread is 1,123 pages because we've addressed that 1,123 goddamn times.



I've seen it so many times that it needs to be a mandatory stop on the tour - like exit signs and bathrooms. 

In case of an emergency oxygen masks will drop down.  Secure your own mask first and then assist others nearby if you need help. 

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gekko513 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

No he wasnt indoctrinated go back to thessia and the prothean data thing would have dectected if you where indoctrinated


This thread is 1,123 pages because we've addressed that 1,123 goddamn times.

So you think this thread has reached consensus and there's nothing more to discuss? I disagree! ;)


I didn't say that.  I just meant that, for every time someone brings up the Prothean VI and thinks it's a dealbreaker, another krogan is born.  ...  Yes, I cured the genophage.  I am terrified.

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gekko513 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

No he wasnt indoctrinated go back to thessia and the prothean data thing would have dectected if you where indoctrinated


This thread is 1,123 pages because we've addressed that 1,123 goddamn times.

So you think this thread has reached consensus and there's nothing more to discuss? I disagree! ;)


We cant reach consensus till page 1183. Then we'll have as many pages in the thread as Legion had geth programs installed on his platform

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byne wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

No he wasnt indoctrinated go back to thessia and the prothean data thing would have dectected if you where indoctrinated


Kai
Leng was also in the temple at that time, and the VI didnt notice him
until he stopped hiding. You guys place far too much merit on the
reliability of the prothean indoctrination detection.

The
protheans themselves were betrayed from within by indoctrinated agents.
If they could sense indoctrination with 100% accuracy, that would never
have happened.


Rifneno wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

No he wasnt indoctrinated go back to thessia and the prothean data thing would have dectected if you where indoctrinated


This thread is 1,123 pages because we've addressed that 1,123 goddamn times.


I <3 this thread. Too long for anyone to read through, but so many assume they bring something new to it every 3rd page.

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Rifneno wrote...

gekko513 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

No he wasnt indoctrinated go back to thessia and the prothean data thing would have dectected if you where indoctrinated


This thread is 1,123 pages because we've addressed that 1,123 goddamn times.

So you think this thread has reached consensus and there's nothing more to discuss? I disagree! ;)


I didn't say that.  I just meant that, for every time someone brings up the Prothean VI and thinks it's a dealbreaker, another krogan is born.  ...  Yes, I cured the genophage.  I am terrified.


The same people who treat the VI not noticing Shep as indoctrinated as a dealbreaker also conveniently ignore the part where when you ask it for more information at TIM's base, it states it will comply, because its security protocols have been overwritten. Something it wouldnt need to bring up at all unless there was a security protocol that would have otherwise stopped him from talking to Shepard, and he never mentions any such protocol on Thessia.

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Rifneno wrote...

gekko513 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

No he wasnt indoctrinated go back to thessia and the prothean data thing would have dectected if you where indoctrinated


This thread is 1,123 pages because we've addressed that 1,123 goddamn times.

So you think this thread has reached consensus and there's nothing more to discuss? I disagree! ;)


I didn't say that.  I just meant that, for every time someone brings up the Prothean VI and thinks it's a dealbreaker, another krogan is born.  ...  Yes, I cured the genophage.  I am terrified.


XD You don't trust Wrex/Eve?

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DuskRose wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

gekko513 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

No he wasnt indoctrinated go back to thessia and the prothean data thing would have dectected if you where indoctrinated


This thread is 1,123 pages because we've addressed that 1,123 goddamn times.

So you think this thread has reached consensus and there's nothing more to discuss? I disagree! ;)


I didn't say that.  I just meant that, for every time someone brings up the Prothean VI and thinks it's a dealbreaker, another krogan is born.  ...  Yes, I cured the genophage.  I am terrified.


XD You don't trust Wrex/Eve?


I trust Wrex/Eve.  They're both alive in my playthrough.  As for Rifneno, maybe he has Wreav?

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Has anyone ever mentioned the weird room on TIMs base? The room with the ramp, its completly green. Just for fun i wanted to put a singularity on the wall and it didnt work. I aimed straight at the wall and the singularity ended up behind me on the other wall, on the other side. WTF? what is that? I also tried throw, pull and stasis... The first time i saw the room i even was afraid to over there. Can someone tell me whats up with that?

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I love how its been almost a full month, and 1123 pages later we are still here.

Bioware better make us some shirts to buy (Like "I survived Indoctrination 2012" or "Marauder Shields, Lost but never forgotten")

Good job everybody. =] *group hug*

Modifié par Red Starblazer, 03 avril 2012 - 01:02 .


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I dont know if this has been stated before or if its even important but when Shepard confronts the catalyst with subtitles on throughout the entire conversation the Catalyst is always labeled as "Child", now in my mind after the "child" stated it was the catalyst it would have been labeled as catalyst, but instead it was still "child".

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Red Starblazer wrote...

I love how its been almost a full month, and 1123 pages later we are still here.

Bioware better make us some shirts to buy (Like "I survived Indoctrination 2012" or "Marauder Shields, Lost but never forgotten")

Good job everybody. =] *group hug*


I would SO buy one.

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Blubox wrote...

Has anyone ever mentioned the weird room on TIMs base? The room with the ramp, its completly green. Just for fun i wanted to put a singularity on the wall and it didnt work. I aimed straight at the wall and the singularity ended up behind me on the other wall, on the other side. WTF? what is that? I also tried throw, pull and stasis... The first time i saw the room i even was afraid to over there. Can someone tell me whats up with that?


Do you have a pic or video of it?  I don't remember it

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llbountyhunter wrote...

Red Starblazer wrote...

I love how its been almost a full month, and 1123 pages later we are still here.

Bioware better make us some shirts to buy (Like "I survived Indoctrination 2012" or "Marauder Shields, Lost but never forgotten")

Good job everypony. =] *group hug*


I would SO buy one.


Oh like around Page 65 I made a whole line of shirts. lol

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OK, I'm going to try and spark discussion. Wish me luck. In the final scene with TIM and Anderson, on the final Charm, the camera pushes in on Shepard's face, so much so that it looks like he is speaking into the camera. What do you think? Also, don't the whispers in the scene remind you of the ones in the dreams? For the Shepard dialogue, skip to 5:14 or so.

Edit: Man, I forgot to post the video 
   Derp.

Modifié par Dwailing, 03 avril 2012 - 01:11 .


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Blubox wrote...

Has anyone ever mentioned the weird room on TIMs base? The room with the ramp, its completly green. Just for fun i wanted to put a singularity on the wall and it didnt work. I aimed straight at the wall and the singularity ended up behind me on the other wall, on the other side. WTF? what is that? I also tried throw, pull and stasis... The first time i saw the room i even was afraid to over there. Can someone tell me whats up with that?


More of a glitch than anything else.

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Novouto wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Novouto wrote...

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Look at this video. Shepard was definitely on the Citadel.


Why would earth material be on the citadel and why would he be buried under it.There was some video pointing out that their's actual a car or building in the far back.


The point was to show that the material in the breathe scene is from the citadel. Why people insist on calling it earth I don't know.

Why do we all assume he's on earth. This could have been within minutes of when the choice was made.

A building and a car? That's a stretch, especially since there aren't any around when the beam hits Shepard and the dream is supposed to begin.


Because the citadel exploded and space is a vacuum. Space has no air. Therefore, he cannot breath, nor make a sound. He would also be floating lol.


Watch the final scene of Mass Effect 1.


Not sure what the normandy flying off into the final frontier has anything to do with this.


Ok I'll be specific. How does shepard and freinds walk out of a room without helmets, where Sovereigns leg puches through, exposing him to the same vacuum of space he was protecting himself of a few minutes earlier?

It wasn't important then, but somehow it's monumental now?

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heres something, might not have anything to do with IDT at all, but you know that weird reporter that you can invite onto your ship? well you can call her up to your personal cabin, and on the second time you can romance her.

but that's not why im telling you this.

on the third interview she asks you a question on what would you do if you could destroy all the mass relays, and when shepard starts to answer it fades to black! (all the other questions proceeded normally with the dialogue circle)..... any idea why?

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Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to try and spark discussion. Wish me luck. In the final scene with TIM and Anderson, on the final Charm, the camera pushes in on Shepard's face, so much so that it looks like he is speaking into the camera. What do you think? Also, don't the whispers in the scene remind you of the ones in the dreams? For the Shepard dialogue, skip to 5:14 or so.

Edit: Man, I forgot to post the video 
   Derp.


I think that is a clue that Shepard is arguing with himself , like its been said he's fighting off the indoctrination.Noises/whispers might be the reapers receving powerful feedback from his sheer will or trying to increase their attack against him. 

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llbountyhunter wrote...

heres something, might not have anything to do with IDT at all, but you know that weird reporter that you can invite onto your ship? well you can call her up to your personal cabin, and on the second time you can romance her.

but that's not why im telling you this.

on the third interview she asks you a question on what would you do if you could destroy all the mass relays, and when shepard starts to answer it fades to black! (all the other questions proceeded normally with the dialogue circle)..... any idea why?


That happened to me for every interview. She'd ask her first question, you get to answer, then she'd start another question and it fades to black

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byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

gekko513 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

No he wasnt indoctrinated go back to thessia and the prothean data thing would have dectected if you where indoctrinated


This thread is 1,123 pages because we've addressed that 1,123 goddamn times.

So you think this thread has reached consensus and there's nothing more to discuss? I disagree! ;)


I didn't say that.  I just meant that, for every time someone brings up the Prothean VI and thinks it's a dealbreaker, another krogan is born.  ...  Yes, I cured the genophage.  I am terrified.


The same people who treat the VI not noticing Shep as indoctrinated as a dealbreaker also conveniently ignore the part where when you ask it for more information at TIM's base, it states it will comply, because its security protocols have been overwritten. Something it wouldnt need to bring up at all unless there was a security protocol that would have otherwise stopped him from talking to Shepard, and he never mentions any such protocol on Thessia.


That's because it wasn't willing to comply so easily before. It's primary goal on thessia was to save the info for another cycle since the reapers were already invading. It even resists when Javik is brought along. It was about to tell you until Kai Leng showed up.

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byne wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

heres something, might not have anything to do with IDT at all, but you know that weird reporter that you can invite onto your ship? well you can call her up to your personal cabin, and on the second time you can romance her.

but that's not why im telling you this.

on the third interview she asks you a question on what would you do if you could destroy all the mass relays, and when shepard starts to answer it fades to black! (all the other questions proceeded normally with the dialogue circle)..... any idea why?


That happened to me for every interview. She'd ask her first question, you get to answer, then she'd start another question and it fades to black


oh nevermind... I guess I was pushing spacebar to quickly (I found her annoying) and that question just got my attention.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Novouto wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Novouto wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Look at this video. Shepard was definitely on the Citadel.


Why would earth material be on the citadel and why would he be buried under it.There was some video pointing out that their's actual a car or building in the far back.


The point was to show that the material in the breathe scene is from the citadel. Why people insist on calling it earth I don't know.

Why do we all assume he's on earth. This could have been within minutes of when the choice was made.

A building and a car? That's a stretch, especially since there aren't any around when the beam hits Shepard and the dream is supposed to begin.


Because the citadel exploded and space is a vacuum. Space has no air. Therefore, he cannot breath, nor make a sound. He would also be floating lol.


Watch the final scene of Mass Effect 1.


Not sure what the normandy flying off into the final frontier has anything to do with this.


Ok I'll be specific. How does shepard and freinds walk out of a room without helmets, where Sovereigns leg puches through, exposing him to the same vacuum of space he was protecting himself of a few minutes earlier?

It wasn't important then, but somehow it's monumental now?


The thing is in ME1 you din't hear whispers or swirling clouds and other things.