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[SC0TTYD00]

Nah that's just the way the turians talk they use a sound processor to copy the voice and make the copy an octave lower than the original.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Can someone explain to me about the shadows themselves. I thout the oily shadows were meant to be the bad things which are caused by indoctrination. The shadows try to stop you from getting to the boy. How do we know that the shadows arent the bad guys and the boy is the good guy?

Because every time you get to the boy he starts burning , in the last time you see yourself burning with him because you trusted him.The shadows are trying to warn that somethings wrong , Shepard only sees that the boy needs help with shadows trying to get to the boy.

Kind of reminds of Braid where you think the person your playing as is trying to save his princess from an evil knight.In reality(when time is the way it's suppose to be) it's the princess that's running away from the person your playing as and wanting the knight to rescue her.

 

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 03 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[SC0TTYD00]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Can someone explain to me about the shadows themselves. I thout the oily shadows were meant to be the bad things which are caused by indoctrination. The shadows try to stop you from getting to the boy. How do we know that the shadows arent the bad guys and the boy is the good guy?

'Cause if the boy were a good guy, he'd make a heck of a lot more sense in the last 10 minutes of the game.

Unrelated, I dug through articles dating back to Jan 2010 on several gaming news websites but can't seem to find the "Shepard is emotionally damaged and we're going to put that on display" quasi-quote I could swear I remember reading.
I'm not indoctrinated, I promise. :innocent:

Does anyone else have any more to say about this? Is it possible that the shadows bad and boy is good? Does anyone have anything to add tot tothis? A lot of you dont believe it obviosly. But its a theory, 

[SC0TTYD00]

Thanks Lost Spartan that's good info.

[Sorael.A]

byne wrote...

What finally sets her off? The death of a child she'd never even met before.

No. I dont buy it.

I don't think it's necessarily just the child but the culmination of hearing/seeing people die leading up to hoping that atleast he survives and doesn't. The difference between then and now is that she knows the gravity of the threat first hand and knows exactly how desperate it is and how much weighs on the knowledge she has. Everything is riding on her now and her past losses I think only make that more desperate.

Just because it appears she took the other losses well doesn't mean they don't weaken her in the long run. Seeing him die as they were just about to escape is symbolic to even with little hope, it can be snuffed out in seconds.

[Big G13]

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Can someone explain to me about the shadows themselves. I thout the oily shadows were meant to be the bad things which are caused by indoctrination. The shadows try to stop you from getting to the boy. How do we know that the shadows arent the bad guys and the boy is the good guy?

Well, thats the question. Alot of people, myself included, saw it that way. But with all the discussion about IDT and what the boy may actually represent, that view has gotten turned 180 degrees. But the question still remains.

[Leonia]

magnetite wrote...

I noticed something odd about this whole indoctrination theory. I had just finished the mission on Tuchanka to save the Turian platoon and something I noticed is whenever the Turians spoke, there was a secondary voice that kind of sounded like a muted buzzing noise (or a humming noise) in addition to their normal voice. I think the indoctrination theory said something about buzzing in the ears.

This indoctrination theory just keeps getting more interesting. I love it.

Sounds like the normal flange effect you hear any time a turian speaks (and why us girls tend to get all excited whenever we hear them). Unless you're referring to some sort of background noise?

[Big G13]

leonia42 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

I noticed something odd about this whole indoctrination theory. I had just finished the mission on Tuchanka to save the Turian platoon and something I noticed is whenever the Turians spoke, there was a secondary voice that kind of sounded like a muted buzzing noise (or a humming noise) in addition to their normal voice. I think the indoctrination theory said something about buzzing in the ears.

This indoctrination theory just keeps getting more interesting. I love it.

Sounds like the normal flange effect you hear any time a turian speaks (and why us girls tend to get all excited whenever we hear them). Unless you're referring to some sort of background noise?

The ladies do seem to love 'em some turian, but I always thought it was the spikeie 'hair'.

[Either.Ardrey]

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Can someone explain to me about the shadows themselves. I thout the oily shadows were meant to be the bad things which are caused by indoctrination. The shadows try to stop you from getting to the boy. How do we know that the shadows arent the bad guys and the boy is the good guy?

I don't remember all of the oily shadow quotes, but for me, what I heard was the shadows accusing/reminding Shepard, blaming him/her for all the deaths that have occured in Shep's life. This could easily be the indoctrination using guilt to break down Shep's will piece by piece, using the kid as the linchpin.

I also like Spartan's explanation as another alternative/possibility.

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 03 avril 2012 - 06:01 .

[Jadebaby]

New info supporting Indoc
Watch this vid and tell me if this is what you hear...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Credit goes here

[gunslinger_ruiz]

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Can someone explain to me about the shadows themselves. I thout the oily shadows were meant to be the bad things which are caused by indoctrination. The shadows try to stop you from getting to the boy. How do we know that the shadows arent the bad guys and the boy is the good guy?

People relate the oily shadows to the Rachni Queen's explanation of how the Reapers turned the Rachni against the galaxy if I'm remembering right. Something about "Souring the songs of---" I forget what but oily shadows are big there on that description.

The Inodctrination Theory points out that during the progression of the dreams the presence of Oily Shadows grow in number and voice (I think they whisper a little louder between the second and third dreams). This can represent the grip of Indoctrination gaining strength against Shepard. Before I had heard about the Theory, I first thought the shadows represented every dead soul on Earth Shepard may have felt he/she let down, hearing the voices of my dead squadmates only drove that point further but I agree that it may very well be part of the Indoctrination process.

Some say the reason why theres shadows around the boy during the dreams is that they're protecting you from him.
Although, it's possible there's more around him because he is the epicenter of Shepard's Indoctrination; where the indoctrination is strongest.

[Sweawm]

Indoctrination Theory is the only thing that can save Mass Effect 1's plot. If the Reapers controlled the Citadel directly, then was Sovereign trying to accomplish?
Why couldn't the Catalyst send one Keeper down and just fix up the control panel?

Nothing can clarify that with the current ending.

[Emperor_Ike]

Sweawm wrote...

Indoctrination Theory is the only thing that can save Mass Effect 1's plot. If the Reapers controlled the Citadel directly, then was Sovereign trying to accomplish?
Why couldn't the Catalyst send one Keeper down and just fix up the control panel?

Nothing can clarify that with the current ending.

IT is the one of the few things, perhaps the only thing, that can save the franchise's fanbase; that is, those of us who care enough to want it to be fixed, because we want to see this fictional universe continue, because we want to spend our money on it for hundreds more hours of playtime, and tomes of ever-expanding lore, and emotional investment in characters we, perhaps irrationally, have come to love.

Unrelated; nice vid, man.

[ianmc]

I'm on my second play through and this time got Liara to chat with her father. In that conversation she talks about Benzia being indoctrinated. Benezia says it was like banging on glass/being trapped inside, or something similar.

Sounds like a few thousand pages of comments here banging on the tv screen...

[Jadebaby]

1127- Don't give up now! bump 4 the IT justice!

[Emperor_Ike]

"Is it how we survive? Adapting?"
"To a cold, or inter-species contact, yes. To the Reapers, no."

Synthesis ending is bad, and Tali says so.

[captainbob8383]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

New info supporting Indoc
Watch this vid and tell me if this is what you hear...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Credit goes here

Ho nice, thank you!
He was obviously trying hard to not spoil something big , his words are really hesitant.

Modifié par captainbob8383, 03 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[Lyria]

We should just trust the Joker and realize it is all part of the plan.

I'm bummed that some EA rep said there would be no new ending just clarification.

http://social.biowar...5247/1#10935247

Modifié par protognosis, 03 avril 2012 - 07:21 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Aaaaand there I am again I think you wrote almost 100 pages while I was asleep.. lol..

any important news?

[captainbob8383]

protognosis wrote...

We should just trust the Joker and realize it is all part of the plan.

I'm bummed that some EA rep said there would be no new ending just clarification.

http://social.biowar...5247/1#10935247

Yeah I've seen it, but there's nothing new, it's exactly what Ray Muzyka said in his blog post two weeks ago.
And in my view it actually proves that this 'messed up' ending was done on purpose, and that their clarification is indeed indoc theory or something similar.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

protognosis wrote...

We should just trust the Joker and realize it is all part of the plan.

I'm bummed that some EA rep said there would be no new ending just clarification.

http://social.biowar...5247/1#10935247

Still the same old story of how the ending wont change only get "clarification."

Dosent change IT one bit as it never required a different ending, only an expanded one. Also is it just me or do they use "Clarification" every single time they talk about the ending?

Anyway hello to everyone from the far East, still holding the line here

[lex0r11]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

1127- Don't give up now! bump 4 the IT justice!

Good morning from Europe!

[Big G13]

captainbob8383 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

New info supporting Indoc
Watch this vid and tell me if this is what you hear...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Credit goes here

Ho nice, thank you!
He was obviously trying hard to not spoil something big , his words are really hesitant.

Did he say the end of the game will be on the disc? Does that leave out any chance for an expanded ending? I'm  not that tech. savvy, so, help please.

[Jadebaby]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Still the same old story of how the ending wont change only get "clarification."

Dosent change IT one bit as it never required a different ending, only an expanded one. Also is it just me or do they use "Clarification" every single time they talk about the ending?

Anyway hello to everyone from the far East, still holding the line here

I agree with this, the reason they use "clarify" is because IT was there all along. Nothing needs changing.

[Jadebaby]

lex0r11 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

1127- Don't give up now! bump 4 the IT justice!

Good morning from Europe!

I'm Commander Shepard and ^this^ is my favourite picture in the IT thread!