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[Jadebaby]

Big G13 wrote...

Did he say the end of the game will be on the disc? Does that leave out any chance for an expanded ending? I'm  not that tech. savvy, so, help please.

My take on it is he said what I previously posted. But even if he said "can" notice also how he said "ending" and not "endings".. and furthermore he goes on to talk about story structure and dlc. ALSO remember that the topic at hand wasn't even anything about the ending, it was about dlc......

[Emperor_Ike]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

New info supporting Indoc
Watch this vid and tell me if this is what you hear...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Credit goes here

I can dig this vid, but it was released before even the Great Leak Debacle, so who knows what might have changed in that time.

[captainbob8383]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Still the same old story of how the ending wont change only get "clarification."

Dosent change IT one bit as it never required a different ending, only an expanded one. Also is it just me or do they use "Clarification" every single time they talk about the ending?

Anyway hello to everyone from the far East, still holding the line here

I agree with this, the reason they use "clarify" is because IT was there all along. Nothing needs changing.

Agree with you guys.
People need to step back and look at the overall picture, Ray Muzyka stated only 2 weeks after ME3 release that clarification would be coming. Two weeks is ridiculously short, DLC takes months to be created, budget validation, writing, developpment etc... It's impossible to announce such thing in the spur of the moment.

And despite the massive negative fan feedback Bioware has always only been talking about 'clarification'.
In my opinion it's a huge hint that they know what they are doing and all was planned from the beginning.

[kilgorek]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

New info supporting Indoc
Watch this vid and tell me if this is what you hear...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Credit goes here

Smoke. Meet Gun.


He does say can tell you. But, still he's talking about how the DLC plugs into the ending and how it will "makes sense." Why would he be trying to explain that the ending and the DLC connect?

[Big G13]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Did he say the end of the game will be on the disc? Does that leave out any chance for an expanded ending? I'm  not that tech. savvy, so, help please.

My take on it is he said what I previously posted. But even if he said "can" notice also how he said "ending" and not "endings".. and furthermore he goes on to talk about story structure and dlc. ALSO remember that the topic at hand wasn't even anything about the ending, it was about dlc......

Thank you. I can breath again.

[lex0r11]

kilgorek wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

New info supporting Indoc
Watch this vid and tell me if this is what you hear...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Credit goes here

Smoke. Meet Gun.


He does say can tell you. But, still he's talking about how the DLC plugs into the ending and how it will "makes sense." Why would he be trying to explain that the ending and the DLC connect?

This is.. well, interesting. This could go both ways, for how the DLC will fit in the 'structure' of the story could mean just pre-end gameplay or additional end gameplay.


My reaction:

[XerxesDragon]

I just have a question about the "indoctrination eye" part (maybe someone has already explained this, but I'm not sifting through 1000+ pages to find the answer)

*I'm going by the idea that Shepard's eyes are synthetic*

In the Synthesis and Control endings, when Shepard's skin is melting away or something to that effect, couldn't his eyes changing simply be because of whatever coating was on his eyes melting away revealing synthetic eyes, similar to the Illusive Man's?

I wonder this because TIM's eyes were the like that, and assuming they're synthetic, he kept them like that to perhaps intimidate people, or he just didn't care, instead of having them covered up. I would guess Shepard's eyes were covered up so he wouldn't scare people away from him.
I also have doubts that the look of their eyes are due to indoctrination, because TIM didn't have any contact with Reaper artifacts (that I know of) and he is shown to have these eyes before Shepard even died at the beginning of ME2

[Ubergrog]

Here is something more for you involving the child.

Go to Docking bay: Holding Area. The area where the missing people photos are present.

You will see the image of the child sitting in a frame on the counter.

What is so odd about it? Look closely.

1. All of the other images have duplicates on the wall, but not the child.

2. All of the other images show a full face or bust, the child only has the face, surrounded by a gradual fade to darkness.

3. It is the largest picture there.

4. In the normandy, when you get Allers on your ship, she has copies of all the 'missing people' photos. The child is not there.

5. Why would someone on the citidel have a "last seen: Earth" picture of the child? You would think someone who cared enough to leave the framed picture would return to it from time to time.

[captainbob8383]

https://twitter.com/...947295278309376


Just on little tweet that doesnt seem to say much, but in my view it actually hints these endings were done on purpose.
See how Mike Gamble answered this? And jokes about it?
If these ending were really a mistake, he would never have answered to this tweet, never.
Morever the fan clearly implies the endings are nothing more than one single with different colors. And still Mike Gamble answers, and dont contradict him, which implies he recognizes it's true.

Modifié par captainbob8383, 03 avril 2012 - 08:04 .

[Emperor_Ike]

lex0r11 wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

New info supporting Indoc
Watch this vid and tell me if this is what you hear...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Credit goes here

Smoke. Meet Gun.


He does say can tell you. But, still he's talking about how the DLC plugs into the ending and how it will "makes sense." Why would he be trying to explain that the ending and the DLC connect?

This is.. well, interesting. This could go both ways, for how the DLC will fit in the 'structure' of the story could mean just pre-end gameplay or additional end gameplay.
*img snipped*

The date on the video, ladies and gents. It's far too old to even be worth the grain of salt you'd have to take with it, predating even the leak that supposedly forced them to rewrite the ending in the first place.

Be careful, is all.

[Shooter__Andy]

XerxesDragon wrote...

I just have a question about the "indoctrination eye" part (maybe someone has already explained this, but I'm not sifting through 1000+ pages to find the answer)

*I'm going by the idea that Shepard's eyes are synthetic*

In the Synthesis and Control endings, when Shepard's skin is melting away or something to that effect, couldn't his eyes changing simply be because of whatever coating was on his eyes melting away revealing synthetic eyes, similar to the Illusive Man's?

I wonder this because TIM's eyes were the like that, and assuming they're synthetic, he kept them like that to perhaps intimidate people, or he just didn't care, instead of having them covered up. I would guess Shepard's eyes were covered up so he wouldn't scare people away from him.
I also have doubts that the look of their eyes are due to indoctrination, because TIM didn't have any contact with Reaper artifacts (that I know of) and he is shown to have these eyes before Shepard even died at the beginning of ME2

TIM's eyes are because of his contact with Reaper artifacts. It's from the novels, back when he was Jack Harper.

And Shepard's eyes ARE synthetic, but they dont't glow blue.

[lex0r11]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

New info supporting Indoc
Watch this vid and tell me if this is what you hear...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Credit goes here

Smoke. Meet Gun.


He does say can tell you. But, still he's talking about how the DLC plugs into the ending and how it will "makes sense." Why would he be trying to explain that the ending and the DLC connect?

This is.. well, interesting. This could go both ways, for how the DLC will fit in the 'structure' of the story could mean just pre-end gameplay or additional end gameplay.
*img snipped*

The date on the video, ladies and gents. It's far too old to even be worth the grain of salt you'd have to take with it, predating even the leak that supposedly forced them to rewrite the ending in the first place.

Be careful, is all.

In that case, it's very unlikely.

Forget what i said.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Ubergrog wrote...

Here is something more for you involving the child.

Go to Docking bay: Holding Area. The area where the missing people photos are present.

You will see the image of the child sitting in a frame on the counter.

What is so odd about it? Look closely.

1. All of the other images have duplicates on the wall, but not the child.

2. All of the other images show a full face or bust, the child only has the face, surrounded by a gradual fade to darkness.

3. It is the largest picture there.

4. In the normandy, when you get Allers on your ship, she has copies of all the 'missing people' photos. The child is not there.

5. Why would someone on the citidel have a "last seen: Earth" picture of the child? You would think someone who cared enough to leave the framed picture would return to it from time to time.

Huh.. I knew that the boy's photo was there, but not the rest.. interesting...

also: "last seen: Earth" is not very specific! You'd think if somebody missed him they'd at least know which land he was in!

[Agugaboo]

So I love the IT especially since it means none of the game has to change. But imagine for a moment...
The star child dreams begin well before shepard runs down the final gauntlet. They begin after the FIRST time shepard is 'knocked out' by the laser beam. This could mean that 99% of ME3 is merely an indoctrination coma, and if you get best possible ending, the rubble you wake up in is the original room where you were hit the first time.

[Spiderman_2028]

XerxesDragon wrote...
I also have doubts that the look of their eyes are due to indoctrination, because TIM didn't have any contact with Reaper artifacts (that I know of) and he is shown to have these eyes before Shepard even died at the beginning of ME2

Google "Mass Effect Wiki", and read the sections about TIM, and the the rundowns of the comics he was in...

TIM has had a bunch of contact with Reaper tech over the years.

Whether or not that has any bearing on IT is up for debate, but TIM's contact with Reaper tech, as far as I know, is Canon.

[lex0r11]

Agugaboo wrote...

So I love the IT especially since it means none of the game has to change. But imagine for a moment...
The star child dreams begin well before shepard runs down the final gauntlet. They begin after the FIRST time shepard is 'knocked out' by the laser beam. This could mean that 99% of ME3 is merely an indoctrination coma, and if you get best possible ending, the rubble you wake up in is the original room where you were hit the first time.

Do you mean the attack while in the earth defense council room?

[k0xfilter]

XerxesDragon wrote...

I also have doubts that the look of their eyes are due to indoctrination, because TIM didn't have any contact with Reaper artifacts (that I know of) and he is shown to have these eyes before Shepard even died at the beginning of ME2

Read the ME-Comic "Mass Effect: Evolution" on Dark Horse. He met Saren there and was in contact with a Reaper Artifact (an indoctrination device or so). From there he got his special "blue eye's". His friend was even turned into a *half-husk* (he looked a human besides eyes and some synthetic parts) and he could resis the indoctrination a bit.

[kilgorek]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

New info supporting Indoc
Watch this vid and tell me if this is what you hear...

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

Credit goes here

Smoke. Meet Gun.


He does say can tell you. But, still he's talking about how the DLC plugs into the ending and how it will "makes sense." Why would he be trying to explain that the ending and the DLC connect?

This is.. well, interesting. This could go both ways, for how the DLC will fit in the 'structure' of the story could mean just pre-end gameplay or additional end gameplay.
*img snipped*

The date on the video, ladies and gents. It's far too old to even be worth the grain of salt you'd have to take with it, predating even the leak that supposedly forced them to rewrite the ending in the first place.

Be careful, is all.

I think it is though. Just because they may have re-written some of the ending doesn't mean they didn't keep this idea in tact. I mean, when they were planning this ending, if IT is true, they had to have known what they were doing well before 7 months prior to when the game came out.

[XerxesDragon]

k0xfilter wrote...

XerxesDragon wrote...

I also have doubts that the look of their eyes are due to indoctrination, because TIM didn't have any contact with Reaper artifacts (that I know of) and he is shown to have these eyes before Shepard even died at the beginning of ME2

Read the ME-Comic "Mass Effect: Evolution" on Dark Horse. He met Saren there and was in contact with a Reaper Artifact (an indoctrination device or so). From there he got his special "blue eye's". His friend was even turned into a *half-husk* (he looked a human besides eyes and some synthetic parts) and he could resis the indoctrination a bit.

If that;s the case, why doesn't anyone else share these eyes? (Benezia, the people from the arrival DLC)

[Jadebaby]

XerxesDragon wrote...

I just have a question about the "indoctrination eye" part (maybe someone has already explained this, but I'm not sifting through 1000+ pages to find the answer)

*I'm going by the idea that Shepard's eyes are synthetic*

In the Synthesis and Control endings, when Shepard's skin is melting away or something to that effect, couldn't his eyes changing simply be because of whatever coating was on his eyes melting away revealing synthetic eyes, similar to the Illusive Man's?

I wonder this because TIM's eyes were the like that, and assuming they're synthetic, he kept them like that to perhaps intimidate people, or he just didn't care, instead of having them covered up. I would guess Shepard's eyes were covered up so he wouldn't scare people away from him.
I also have doubts that the look of their eyes are due to indoctrination, because TIM didn't have any contact with Reaper artifacts (that I know of) and he is shown to have these eyes before Shepard even died at the beginning of ME2

TIM was one of the first ME characters to ever interact with a Reaper Artifact.. See Mass Effect Evolution.

[Rob Psyence]

XerxesDragon wrote...

k0xfilter wrote...

XerxesDragon wrote...

I also have doubts that the look of their eyes are due to indoctrination, because TIM didn't have any contact with Reaper artifacts (that I know of) and he is shown to have these eyes before Shepard even died at the beginning of ME2

Read the ME-Comic "Mass Effect: Evolution" on Dark Horse. He met Saren there and was in contact with a Reaper Artifact (an indoctrination device or so). From there he got his special "blue eye's". His friend was even turned into a *half-husk* (he looked a human besides eyes and some synthetic parts) and he could resis the indoctrination a bit.

If that;s the case, why doesn't anyone else share these eyes? (Benezia, the people from the arrival DLC)

Saren has them too...

[Emperor_Ike]

kilgorek wrote...

I think it is though. Just because they may have re-written some of the ending doesn't mean they didn't keep this idea in tact. I mean, when they were planning this ending, if IT is true, they had to have known what they were doing well before 7 months prior to when the game came out.

But now it's all so muddled, they could do anything they want, and more importantly, say anything they want. They could take the IT and say it was the plan all along. I honestly hope they do. I hope it was the plan, or that at the very least, that there was a plan, any plan. And even if we don't believe them when they say it, as long as they act on it, we'd love them. Not so?
I'm not trying to be contradictory or aggressive, just saying be careful. Don't count your blue babies before they're born, nor your Rannoch real estate holdings before they're listed. The last is extremely hard for me, heh.

Modifié par Emperor_Ike, 03 avril 2012 - 08:39 .

[XerxesDragon]

Rob Psyence wrote...

XerxesDragon wrote...

k0xfilter wrote...

XerxesDragon wrote...

I also have doubts that the look of their eyes are due to indoctrination, because TIM didn't have any contact with Reaper artifacts (that I know of) and he is shown to have these eyes before Shepard even died at the beginning of ME2

Read the ME-Comic "Mass Effect: Evolution" on Dark Horse. He met Saren there and was in contact with a Reaper Artifact (an indoctrination device or so). From there he got his special "blue eye's". His friend was even turned into a *half-husk* (he looked a human besides eyes and some synthetic parts) and he could resis the indoctrination a bit.

If that;s the case, why doesn't anyone else share these eyes? (Benezia, the people from the arrival DLC)

Saren has them too...

Indeed he does, but he mentions that the Reapers "upgraded" him (meaning synthetic enhancements, which could very well include his eyes) Or if it is indeed indoctrination showing through the eyes, why is it only limited to the three?

[lex0r11]

Rob Psyence wrote...

XerxesDragon wrote...

k0xfilter wrote...

XerxesDragon wrote...

I also have doubts that the look of their eyes are due to indoctrination, because TIM didn't have any contact with Reaper artifacts (that I know of) and he is shown to have these eyes before Shepard even died at the beginning of ME2

Read the ME-Comic "Mass Effect: Evolution" on Dark Horse. He met Saren there and was in contact with a Reaper Artifact (an indoctrination device or so). From there he got his special "blue eye's". His friend was even turned into a *half-husk* (he looked a human besides eyes and some synthetic parts) and he could resis the indoctrination a bit.

If that;s the case, why doesn't anyone else share these eyes? (Benezia, the people from the arrival DLC)

Saren has them too...

Don't forget that TIM almost resembles Saren in looks as far as the half synthetic face and the way of suicide is the same.

[lex0r11]

XerxesDragon wrote...

Rob Psyence wrote...

XerxesDragon wrote...

k0xfilter wrote...

XerxesDragon wrote...

I also have doubts that the look of their eyes are due to indoctrination, because TIM didn't have any contact with Reaper artifacts (that I know of) and he is shown to have these eyes before Shepard even died at the beginning of ME2

Read the ME-Comic "Mass Effect: Evolution" on Dark Horse. He met Saren there and was in contact with a Reaper Artifact (an indoctrination device or so). From there he got his special "blue eye's". His friend was even turned into a *half-husk* (he looked a human besides eyes and some synthetic parts) and he could resis the indoctrination a bit.

If that;s the case, why doesn't anyone else share these eyes? (Benezia, the people from the arrival DLC)

Saren has them too...

Indeed he does, but he mentions that the Reapers "upgraded" him (meaning synthetic enhancements, which could very well include his eyes) Or if it is indeed indoctrination showing through the eyes, why is it only limited to the three?

TIM had implanted reapertech in the end, it was shown in a video you could watch during the cerberus base mission. So saren and TIM might as well share the same 'upgrades'.

Modifié par lex0r11, 03 avril 2012 - 08:41 .