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[captainbob8383]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

I think it is though. Just because they may have re-written some of the ending doesn't mean they didn't keep this idea in tact. I mean, when they were planning this ending, if IT is true, they had to have known what they were doing well before 7 months prior to when the game came out.

But now it's all so muddled, they could do anything they want, and more importantly, say anything they want. They could take the IT and say it was the plan all along. I honestly hope they do. I hope it was the plan, or that at the very least, that there was a plan, any plan. And even if we don't believe them when they say it, as long as they act on it, we'd love them. Not so?
I'm not trying to be contradictory or aggressive, just saying be careful. Don't count your blue babies before they're born, nor your Rannoch real estate holdings before they're listed. The last is extremely hard for me, heh.

It will be easy to tell if it was planned or not.
Creating a DLC takes months.
If any ending DLC comes out in April, or even May, we can tell for sure it was planned from the very beginning.

Modifié par captainbob8383, 03 avril 2012 - 08:41 .

[Big G13]

Rob Psyence wrote...

XerxesDragon wrote...

k0xfilter wrote...

XerxesDragon wrote...

I also have doubts that the look of their eyes are due to indoctrination, because TIM didn't have any contact with Reaper artifacts (that I know of) and he is shown to have these eyes before Shepard even died at the beginning of ME2

Read the ME-Comic "Mass Effect: Evolution" on Dark Horse. He met Saren there and was in contact with a Reaper Artifact (an indoctrination device or so). From there he got his special "blue eye's". His friend was even turned into a *half-husk* (he looked a human besides eyes and some synthetic parts) and he could resis the indoctrination a bit.

If that;s the case, why doesn't anyone else share these eyes? (Benezia, the people from the arrival DLC)

Saren has them too...

If you chose synthesis every body ends up with those eyes.

[lex0r11]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

I think it is though. Just because they may have re-written some of the ending doesn't mean they didn't keep this idea in tact. I mean, when they were planning this ending, if IT is true, they had to have known what they were doing well before 7 months prior to when the game came out.

But now it's all so muddled, they could do anything they want, and more importantly, say anything they want. They could take the IT and say it was the plan all along. I honestly hope they do. I hope it was the plan, or that at the very least, that there was a plan, any plan. And even if we don't believe them when they say it, as long as they act on it, we'd love them. Not so?
I'm not trying to be contradictory or aggressive, just saying be careful. Don't count your blue babies before they're born, nor your Rannoch real estate holdings before they're listed. The last is extremely hard for me, heh.

Now i HAD to post this.

Damn you!

[LostLogics]

Sorael.A wrote...

byne wrote...

What finally sets her off? The death of a child she'd never even met before.

No. I dont buy it.

I don't think it's necessarily just the child but the culmination of hearing/seeing people die leading up to hoping that atleast he survives and doesn't. The difference between then and now is that she knows the gravity of the threat first hand and knows exactly how desperate it is and how much weighs on the knowledge she has. Everything is riding on her now and her past losses I think only make that more desperate.

Just because it appears she took the other losses well doesn't mean they don't weaken her in the long run. Seeing him die as they were just about to escape is symbolic to even with little hope, it can be snuffed out in seconds.

There is also a scene with Joker after the attack on Thessia where he tries to "lighten the mood". After Shep get's pissed off he then explains that Andersson had contacted him telling him to try to stress you down and EDI's sensors indicated that you where a lot more stressed than during (insert background story here).

So, stress and the knowledge of you failing would lead to the destruction of all organic life in the galaxy combined with subtle indoctrination would help trigger indoctrination. (Is my guess)

[Jadebaby]

Rob Psyence wrote...

If that;s the case, why doesn't anyone else share these eyes? (Benezia, the people from the arrival DLC)

Benezia because she was just indoctrinated. And not even that severely if she could use her biotics to 'hide' some of her mind.
As for the Arrival DLC it is a good question, but when you go down after object rho buzzes you they all crowd around with glowing eyes.. Maybe they're only just indoctrinated too and didn't actually activate the beam.?

[Emperor_Ike]

captainbob8383 wrote...

It will be easy to tell if it was planned or not.
Creating a DLC takes months.
If any ending DLC comes out in April, or even May, we can tell for sure it was planned from the very beginning.

This is true, Bill. 20 on the red; let it ride.

lex0r11 wrote...

Now i HAD to post this.

Damn you!

<3

[Jadebaby]

LostLogics wrote...

There is also a scene with Joker after the attack on Thessia where he tries to "lighten the mood". After Shep get's pissed off he then explains that Andersson had contacted him telling him to try to stress you down and EDI's sensors indicated that you where a lot more stressed than during (insert background story here).

So, stress and the knowledge of you failing would lead to the destruction of all organic life in the galaxy combined with subtle indoctrination would help trigger indoctrination. (Is my guess)

Exactly, and the child is obviously symbolic of lost hope, the real question is whether the reapers put the kid there to trigger shepards emotions or whether he was real and they are just using that experience to drive indoctrination home..

haha  ur sig btw Logic.

[Big G13]

lex0r11 wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

I think it is though. Just because they may have re-written some of the ending doesn't mean they didn't keep this idea in tact. I mean, when they were planning this ending, if IT is true, they had to have known what they were doing well before 7 months prior to when the game came out.

But now it's all so muddled, they could do anything they want, and more importantly, say anything they want. They could take the IT and say it was the plan all along. I honestly hope they do. I hope it was the plan, or that at the very least, that there was a plan, any plan. And even if we don't believe them when they say it, as long as they act on it, we'd love them. Not so?
I'm not trying to be contradictory or aggressive, just saying be careful. Don't count your blue babies before they're born, nor your Rannoch real estate holdings before they're listed. The last is extremely hard for me, heh.

Now i HAD to post this.

Damn you!

Blue love is beautiful.

[LostLogics]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LostLogics wrote...

There is also a scene with Joker after the attack on Thessia where he tries to "lighten the mood". After Shep get's pissed off he then explains that Andersson had contacted him telling him to try to stress you down and EDI's sensors indicated that you where a lot more stressed than during (insert background story here).

So, stress and the knowledge of you failing would lead to the destruction of all organic life in the galaxy combined with subtle indoctrination would help trigger indoctrination. (Is my guess)

Exactly, and the child is obviously symbolic of lost hope, the real question is whether the reapers put the kid there to trigger shepards emotions or whether he was real and they are just using that experience to drive indoctrination home..

haha  ur sig btw Logic.

Thanks. It's by  Gloria Steinem. Ingenious.

Regarding the kid, I, like many other believe that the kid indeed existed, but only up to the point of the first scene where he's "flying" the Normandy model around. Shepard saw him, and since few other people in the galaxy has been around more reaper artifacts than Shep, once the reapers landed and started broadcasting the signal... I'm pretty sure Harbinger took the first and best memory Shep has and twisted it to his own purpose. Just to drive the feeling of loss and despair. 

[Macross]

Okay. So what I'm about to say is probably totally me taking something innocent and turning it into a consiparcy (which may be why I haven't seen it on here yet) .

However, could the weekend operations be bioware leading up to ending DLC and showing that they've been planning it all along.

People who are playing and will be playing the multiplayer and doing the weekend operations, many of them will be the people who buy ending DLC ASAP . So the intent of the weekend operations could be simply to make sure everyone one of those fans have there EMS up high enought for the ending (this would also suit well with the fact that the post-game starting area is just before the final missions) so that everyone can pass the colour test with high enought marks (so no one is below, I don't know 4000 ems).

Two things about the operations make me think this.

Firstily the fact that they have been done constantly since the release of the game. It's quite relentless and bioware have obviously put alot of work into it and it this isn't going to continue indefinetlly. Thus it would have made much more sense to spread them out over a larger period of time for marketing and replay value then to simply do them consecutively and in a bunch.

Secondily every single goal of these operations a pretty much set around increasing personal EMS. We never get a operation goal that is something like 'The Community has to defend so and so areas from X amount of Geth' or 'Eradicate X  amount Cerebus Forces'. The goals are always something that increase war assest quite a bit, basicalyl stuff like 'Promote 2 Character indivually and Promote 150'000 character as a community' or 'Achieve X amount of level 20' I mean, sure these all have community goals but they are also quite clearily centered around increasing indivudal EMS and War Assest.

Again- probably me going tinfoil hat but I found it interesting.

EDIT: I'm not saying this as in support for Indoc alone but mainly as possible evidence of Bioware having clearily planned something bigger.

Modifié par Macross, 03 avril 2012 - 08:58 .

[lex0r11]

Big G13 wrote...

Blue love is beautiful.

Okay, that's the last one and enough motivation for today, i swear. :innocent:

[Jadebaby]

lex0r11 wrote...

Now i HAD to post this.

Damn you!

Damn you! These are the pictures that really make me upset with how the ending stands right now! I saw another one this morning of a baby asari lying on her back in shepards off-duty uniform with someone dangeling Sheps n7 tags over her head... it was SOOOO cute!!

[Jadebaby]

LostLogics wrote...

Regarding the kid, I, like many other believe that the kid indeed existed, but only up to the point of the first scene where he's "flying" the Normandy model around. Shepard saw him, and since few other people in the galaxy has been around more reaper artifacts than Shep, once the reapers landed and started broadcasting the signal... I'm pretty sure Harbinger took the first and best memory Shep has and twisted it to his own purpose. Just to drive the feeling of loss and despair. 

That's really interesting, I'd never heard that angle before.. Although if he weren't real when he was in the vents, I don't believe he was ever real.. Whats a kid doing running around an Alliance facilities courtyard all by himself?
The fact you're the only one to show the kid any kind of attention.. Ever... leads me to believe this is indoc and the kid was never real.

[lex0r11]

LostLogics wrote...

Regarding the kid, I, like many other believe that the kid indeed existed, but only up to the point of the first scene where he's "flying" the Normandy model around. Shepard saw him, and since few other people in the galaxy has been around more reaper artifacts than Shep, once the reapers landed and started broadcasting the signal... I'm pretty sure Harbinger took the first and best memory Shep has and twisted it to his own purpose. Just to drive the feeling of loss and despair. 

That would be a way to fiddle around in Sheps mind. Like say the way Shep was in that Geth sever and Legion explains, that the visuals are taken from memory to create a familiar environment. The mind could be more susceptible, being reminded of all the lost hope and death.

Jade8aby88 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Now i HAD to post this.

Damn you!

*image snipped*

Damn you! These are the pictures that really make me upset with how the ending stands right now! I saw another one this morning of a baby asari lying on her back in shepards off-duty uniform with someone dangeling
Sheps n7 tags over her head... it was SOOOO cute!!../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png

*goggles image*
*sees it*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Modifié par lex0r11, 03 avril 2012 - 09:07 .

[Emperor_Ike]

Macross wrote...

Okay. So what I'm about to say is probably totally me taking something innocent and turning it into a consiparcy (which may be why I haven't seen it on here yet) .

However, could the weekend operations be bioware leading up to ending DLC and showing that they've been planning it all along.

People who are playing and will be playing the multiplayer and doing the weekend operations, many of them will be the people who buy ending DLC ASAP . So the intent of the weekend operations could be simply to make sure everyone one of those fans have there EMS up high enought for the ending (this would also suit well with the fact that the post-game starting area is just before the final missions) so that everyone can pass the colour test with high enought marks (so no one is below, I don't know 4000 ems).

Two things about the operations make me think this.

Firstily the fact that they have been done constantly since the release of the game. It's quite relentless and bioware have obviously put alot of work into it and it this isn't going to continue indefinetlly. Thus it would have made much more sense to spread them out over a larger period of time for marketing and replay value then to simply do them consecutively and in a bunch.

Secondily every single goal of these operations a pretty much set around increasing personal EMS. We never get a operation goal that is something like 'The Community has to defend so and so areas from X amount of Geth' or 'Eradicate X  amount Cerebus Forces'. The goals are always something that increase war assest quite a bit, basicalyl stuff like 'Promote 2 Character indivually and Promote 150'000 character as a community' or 'Achieve X amount of level 20' I mean, sure these all have community goals but they are also quite clearily centered around increasing indivudal EMS and War Assest.

Again- probably me going tinfoil hat but I found it interesting.

EDIT: I'm not saying this as in support for Indoc alone but mainly as possible evidence of Bioware having clearily planned something bigger.

The Ops could certainly play into it. Though wasn't the first one Kill 1 million Brutes?
And yeah, as much as they've told us to hang onto our saves, that they had something in the works we'd be excited about, yes. You're right on track man. But, and this is a doozy, they didn't specifically mention the endings, whether to change/update them or to clarify them, until a couple weeks after Udina's proverbial storm. We collectively had to work some on them, first, apparently.

[Baldsake]

I just replayed the ending (god knows why) and the biggest flaw is still the normandy scene (where are they? How did garrus get there he was with me?).. Combine that with the breathing scene and you cant convince me that BioWare didnt plan ending DLC.. Or something.. No trilogy should end like that and they know it.

[Emperor_Ike]

lex0r11 wrote...

*goggles image*
*sees it*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You are now honor-bound to Motivate us with that one, boyo.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Another interesting strategy was if the "real" ending was available once the gamers of the world get over one million EMS or something like that.

[LostLogics]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LostLogics wrote...

Regarding the kid, I, like many other believe that the kid indeed existed, but only up to the point of the first scene where he's "flying" the Normandy model around. Shepard saw him, and since few other people in the galaxy has been around more reaper artifacts than Shep, once the reapers landed and started broadcasting the signal... I'm pretty sure Harbinger took the first and best memory Shep has and twisted it to his own purpose. Just to drive the feeling of loss and despair. 

That's really interesting, I'd never heard that angle before.. Although if he weren't real when he was in the vents, I don't believe he was ever real.. Whats a kid doing running around an Alliance facilities courtyard all by himself?
The fact you're the only one to show the kid any kind of attention.. Ever... leads me to believe this is indoc and the kid was never real.

I guess we will never know for sure unless the story writers come out and give us the blueprint.
That a kid is at an alliance base wouldn't be too much of a stretch though. A lot of military families seems to bring their kids along. Ashley mentioned that her mother used to bring her to the base when her father was leaving on duty, so it could be along those lines.

I find it hard to believe that the kid isn't real at the begining. But the kid hiding in the vents and boarding the shuttle that is shut down is an illusion (at least according to my brain atm)
What would be really interesting would be if you saw the kid later (after the final ending) with his parents, alive and well. Confirming the theory that he was indeed there, just not after the opening intro scene.

[LostLogics]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Another interesting strategy was if the "real" ending was available once the gamers of the world get over one million EMS or something like that.

Oooohhhhh..... WE NEED TO PLAY MULTIPLAYER!!!
Everybody, go!!!!

[Macross]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Macross wrote...

Okay. So what I'm about to say is probably totally me taking something innocent and turning it into a consiparcy (which may be why I haven't seen it on here yet) .

However, could the weekend operations be bioware leading up to ending DLC and showing that they've been planning it all along.

People who are playing and will be playing the multiplayer and doing the weekend operations, many of them will be the people who buy ending DLC ASAP . So the intent of the weekend operations could be simply to make sure everyone one of those fans have there EMS up high enought for the ending (this would also suit well with the fact that the post-game starting area is just before the final missions) so that everyone can pass the colour test with high enought marks (so no one is below, I don't know 4000 ems).

Two things about the operations make me think this.

Firstily the fact that they have been done constantly since the release of the game. It's quite relentless and bioware have obviously put alot of work into it and it this isn't going to continue indefinetlly. Thus it would have made much more sense to spread them out over a larger period of time for marketing and replay value then to simply do them consecutively and in a bunch.

Secondily every single goal of these operations a pretty much set around increasing personal EMS. We never get a operation goal that is something like 'The Community has to defend so and so areas from X amount of Geth' or 'Eradicate X  amount Cerebus Forces'. The goals are always something that increase war assest quite a bit, basicalyl stuff like 'Promote 2 Character indivually and Promote 150'000 character as a community' or 'Achieve X amount of level 20' I mean, sure these all have community goals but they are also quite clearily centered around increasing indivudal EMS and War Assest.

Again- probably me going tinfoil hat but I found it interesting.

EDIT: I'm not saying this as in support for Indoc alone but mainly as possible evidence of Bioware having clearily planned something bigger.

The Ops could certainly play into it. Though wasn't the first one Kill 1 million Brutes?
And yeah, as much as they've told us to hang onto our saves, that they had something in the works we'd be excited about, yes. You're right on track man. But, and this is a doozy, they didn't specifically mention the endings, whether to change/update them or to clarify them, until a couple weeks after Udina's proverbial storm. We collectively had to work some on them, first, apparently.

Wow, didn't know about the brute one- I've only been really paying attention to the ops for the past 2 maybe 3 weeks. well I know wasn't around for the first one.

And yeah, we've been hearing about hints of something big since ME3 came out and hell even before that. So, honestly, mixed messages. So many mixed messages, Indoc seems so well set up and they've hinted at big things yet some of the other stuff just seems counter-productive.

[Big G13]

lex0r11 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Blue love is beautiful.

Okay, that's the last one and enough motivation for today, i swear. :innocent:

Yes she does. Yes..... she ........ does.

[RussiaTerminator]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Now i HAD to post this.

Damn you!

Damn you! These are the pictures that really make me upset with how the ending stands right now! I saw another one this morning of a baby asari lying on her back in shepards off-duty uniform with someone dangeling Sheps n7 tags over her head... it was SOOOO cute!!

:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:

[lex0r11]

LostLogics wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LostLogics wrote...

Regarding
the kid, I, like many other believe that the kid indeed existed, but
only up to the point of the first scene where he's "flying" the Normandy
model around. Shepard saw him, and since few other people in the galaxy
has been around more reaper artifacts than Shep, once the reapers
landed and started broadcasting the signal... I'm pretty sure Harbinger
took the first and best memory Shep has and twisted it to his own
purpose. Just to drive the feeling of loss and despair. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png

That's
really interesting, I'd never heard that angle before.. Although if he
weren't real when he was in the vents, I don't believe he was ever
real.. Whats a kid doing running around an Alliance facilities
courtyard all by himself?
The fact you're the only one to show the
kid any kind of attention.. Ever... leads me to believe this is indoc
and the kid was never real.

I guess we will never know for sure unless the story writers come out and give us the blueprint.
That
a kid is at an alliance base wouldn't be too much of a stretch though. A
lot of military families seems to bring their kids along. Ashley
mentioned that her mother used to bring her to the base when her father
was leaving on duty, so it could be along those lines.

I find it
hard to believe that the kid isn't real at the begining. But the kid
hiding in the vents and boarding the shuttle that is shut down is an
illusion (at least according to my brain atm)
What would be really
interesting would be if you saw the kid later (after the final ending)
with his parents, alive and well. Confirming the theory that he was
indeed there, just not after the opening intro scene.

Also, think about how the kid reacts to Shep's offer to help.

"You can't help me." and disappears. That is more than odd.

Modifié par lex0r11, 03 avril 2012 - 09:21 .

[lex0r11]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

*goggles image*
*sees it*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You are now honor-bound to Motivate us with that one, boyo.

Must... resist... swore... there was... enough today.

Awww, damnit.



Why Bioware? WHY?

Modifié par lex0r11, 03 avril 2012 - 09:19 .