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[TheGoddess0fWar]

lavosslayer wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

What's this unused bit of dialog between femshep and Anderson?

Are you sure you want to know? Sadness abounds for those who seek this video...

Because we're not all depressed enough...

[lavosslayer]

k8ee wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Updating what I said last page:
I have a new idea from that audio clip. When Shepard wakes up from the dream ending, in the pile of rubble, she's still going to have to go to the conduit to activate the crucible, maybe Anderson goes with her then. Maybe this won't have to be a DLC, maybe it's just some tweaks to the current ending, minus the dream-y aspects, IF you passed the indoctrination check. Maybe after Shepard activates the crucible, there's the full conversation with Anderson, who unfortunately still passes away (but it kind of expected), and then the crucible goes off how it was supposed to. No god child, but the reapers are destroyed. The normandy comes into the citadel and gets shepard, shepard wakes up at some point after. Why else would they record both full conversations with femshep and maleshep + anderson and cut both. No, they'll use this, I can guarantee it.

That means the actual ending is probably on the disk and just super locked until bioware patches it open.

o_o

Maybe, but it could also be because on the SB base is supposedly says Anderson has an exwife and kid... WHICH IS TRAGIC BECAUSE THAT CUT SCENE IS EXCELLENT

He does though...in the first Mass Effect book it states he has an ex-wife named Cynthia and a potential daughter (whose name I don't think is ever mentioned)

[Auresta]

Ellestor wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand this common misconception that you destroy most technology.

The Catalyst outright says that it does.

My main problem is that I don't trust the catalyst. I could explain this but again it is my gut feeling as well.

[lavosslayer]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

What's this unused bit of dialog between femshep and Anderson?

Are you sure you want to know? Sadness abounds for those who seek this video...

Because we're not all depressed enough...

you cruel cruel person lol

[k8ee]

Ellestor wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand this common misconception that you destroy most technology.

The Catalyst outright says that it does.

No I'm pretty sure it destroys synthetic life... which is BS because how could the crucible know exactly what to kill over an entire galaxy when the Citadel is made to interact with reapers specifically.

[asilarae]

I am clinging to this theory, not just because it works--and it does, for the most part--but because it lets me look at the game again. I was at the point last night where I wanted nothing to do with Mass Effect ever again (making the Garrus sampler I've been cross-stitching a lot of wasted work), but with this I can... accept, I guess. I can file it away as 'dream sequence' and look at the rest of the games and feel better. And unless Bioware comes out and says "lol silly people, it's not a dream!" then I'll stick with it regardless. It's internal bartering.

[Doctor Quinn]

The choice to fight is an early option, because you didn't gather a credible threat to the reapers ergo you aren't worth indoctrinating. Once you begin impressing them with your prowess for being influential and uniting the galaxy they become more interested in you for indoctrination purposes. At the highest levels they are scared and are turning to indoctrination to create more certainty in the battles outcome.

[Ecmoose]

Ellestor wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand this common misconception that you destroy most technology.

The Catalyst outright says that it does.

When? The Catalyst says it destroys all synthetic life. Including the geth.

That's as far as that goes.

Catalyst: I know you've thought about destroying us.
You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want. Even you are partially synthetic.
But the peace won't last. Your children will create synthetics.


That's all. Where does that say all technology is destroyed?


As far as the person asking how the catalyst would no what to kill. I beleieve the intent is that the energy sent out destroys only synthetic life. It's not so much pinpointing as it is using "space magic".

Modifié par Ecmoose, 12 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[k8ee]

Plus the catalyst is a damn lying reaper... why would Shep believe anything it said?

[lookingglassmind]

eclipso621 wrote...

 So just restarted my second playthough....Did anyone else notice when you first run into the husks, the little kid runs into the room you enter be for the door closes.

...what?

[TheGoddess0fWar]

lavosslayer wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

What's this unused bit of dialog between femshep and Anderson?

Are you sure you want to know? Sadness abounds for those who seek this video...

Because we're not all depressed enough...

you cruel cruel person lol

The tears. They won't stop for anyone. ;___;

[lavosslayer]

k8ee wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand this common misconception that you destroy most technology.

The Catalyst outright says that it does.

No I'm pretty sure it destroys synthetic life... which is BS because how could the crucible know exactly what to kill over an entire galaxy when the Citadel is made to interact with reapers specifically.

Exactly....he says Synthetic Life...not all cybernetics or ships or anything else machine just Synthetic Life...which is why I don't understand why its such a loss...feel bad for the geth but they can always be reactivated...the reapers on the otherhand, well...I'm glad those SOBs are toast! (even with this being a total illusionary choice)

[krystalevenstar]

On another note, I got the Art of Mass Effect Universe for my birthday today and I'm going to comb it over for more things supporting our theory

[MissMaster_2]

Ecmoose wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand this common misconception that you destroy most technology.

The Catalyst outright says that it does.

When? The Catalyst says it destroys all synthetic life. Including the geth.

That's as far as that goes.

Catalyst: I know you've thought about destroying us.
You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want. Even you are partially synthetic.
But the peace won't last. Your children will create synthetics.


That's all. Where does that say all technology is destroyed?

If you are with us in the dream idea then the Catalyst is a big fat Reaper lier.

[Castanea]

eclipso621 wrote...

 So just restarted my second playthough....Did anyone else notice when you first run into the husks, the little kid runs into the room you enter be for the door closes.

Yeah, I saw thought. Though never thought much of it tbh, I assumed it was just the kid running for cover.

[erikage]

I'm convinced that this is the case. Great job you guys. Bioware, this was a clever way to take money out of peoples pockets. Now the game is 10/10.

[noobcannon]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Found another plot hole: In Anderson's cut dialogue, he says he never had any kids. Yet, if you look into his file on the Shadow Broker base, his ex-wife emailed him about his son, Jason. WHAT IS GOING ON?!

WHAT THE F?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!

[carilynn46]

Ona Demonie wrote...

carilynn46 wrote...

I have a question, but before i ask i have to say that I support this SO MUCH it isn't even funny lol i mean every thing just seemed out of place and not right. but my question is when shep wakes up after the beam attack I noticed that some people have seen their crew laying around them dead, but I didn't seen any of my team mates dead around me, what causes this?

What was your EMS? Mine was 5028 when I launched the Earth mission and I didn't see any of my team mates dead. 

mine was 6 thousand and something plus a hundred percent readiness, i am guessing your EMS has something to do with that?

[BlackDragonBane]

Ellestor wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand this common misconception that you destroy most technology.

The Catalyst outright says that it does.

The Catalyst controls the Reapers and we, honestly, do not understand the full extent of its programming. I think the Reapers once served a noble purpose but once that was resolved, they kept carrying on that purpose and it was detremental to actual development of other cultures and species.

The Catalyst is likely lying about the true consequences of all 3 choices presented before Shepard, including the destruction of the Mass Relays. The Reapers would still need them to  continue the cycle, even for as fast as they can move through space.

The more I look at Catalyst, the more he reminds me of Clu from Tron: Legacy.

[Castanea]

Oops, double post. Sorry.

Modifié par Castanea, 12 mars 2012 - 12:25 .

[salbine]

byne wrote...

Is it just me, or does the entire ending sequence not feel like it fits in with the overall theme of the ME universe? It just feels.... off. I cant really describe it.

It seems otherworldly and kind of unfocused.

And when you talk to TIM, you get those weird black things at the edges of the screen.

I am of the opinion that once reaching the Citadel, severely wounded, and losing blood, Shepard hallucinated most of the ending sequence.

It would explain why the kid was there.

The weird blackness when TIM tried to control you and you tried to fight it could be Shepard fighting against blood loss and trying not to pass out (hence the darkening around the edges of the screen)

It explains how even the crew who were wounded with you near the portal in London ended up on the Normandy, and even why the Normandy was leaving Earth in the first place, its because Shepard isnt thinking clearly, and these are just the images dreamed up by a deteriorating brain.

Also, there is a likelyhood that having spent so much time around Reapers, Shepard is slightly indoctrinated. The Synthesis ending really doesnt make much sense, other than the fact that the little kid seems to think it is the best option. We never get an explanation on how jumping into a beam of energy that kills us will do anything like what it is said it will do.

The Reapers used Shepard's slight indoctrination and confused state as part of a last ditch effort to get Shepard to take himself out of the picture, since they knew that if they didnt do so, Shepard was about to win.

tl;dr blood loss leads to reaper victory

Hallucination makes the most sense, in my humble opinion.

I really, *really* hope you're right. Normally I don't go for, "It was all a dream!" endings, but in this case, I'd take it. 

Your hypothesis makes a lot of sense. I was wondering how some crew members ended up on the Normandy. A hallucination or dream would make sense.

If this turns out to be true, they should have made it more obvious.

[MissMaster_2]

lookingglassmind wrote...

eclipso621 wrote...

 So just restarted my second playthough....Did anyone else notice when you first run into the husks, the little kid runs into the room you enter be for the door closes.

...what?

This is true. But he could still be a hallucination

[CreepingGeth]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Also, something to further point out that it's dream/hallucination/whatever. The Reaperchild thing says, when asked what he is. He replies with "I control the Reapers" No, that doesn't say what you are. That's what you do.

Hasn't it been alluded to, or flat out stated, that Harbinger is the boss reaper? Harbinger controls the reapers. The godchild thing also controls the reapers. Shepard knows this and his mind is filling in that blank for him.

He also goes on to include himself as a Reaper. "Us".

[Madcat 124]

Ecmoose wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand this common misconception that you destroy most technology.

The Catalyst outright says that it does.

When? The Catalyst says it destroys all synthetic life. Including the geth.

That's as far as that goes.

Catalyst: I know you've thought about destroying us.
You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want. Even you are partially synthetic.
But the peace won't last. Your children will create synthetics.


That's all. Where does that say all technology is destroyed?


As far as the person asking how the catalyst would no what to kill. I beleieve the intent is that the energy sent out destroys only synthetic life. It's not so much pinpointing as it is using "space magic".

This is part of my problem. It NEVER said that all tech would be destroyed.

[krystalevenstar]

lavosslayer wrote...

k8ee wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand this common misconception that you destroy most technology.

The Catalyst outright says that it does.

No I'm pretty sure it destroys synthetic life... which is BS because how could the crucible know exactly what to kill over an entire galaxy when the Citadel is made to interact with reapers specifically.

Exactly....he says Synthetic Life...not all cybernetics or ships or anything else machine just Synthetic Life...which is why I don't understand why its such a loss...feel bad for the geth but they can always be reactivated...the reapers on the otherhand, well...I'm glad those SOBs are toast! (even with this being a total illusionary choice)

You know what I noticed about this though? If you do chose destroy, the following cutscene ONLY shows the Reapers being destroyed. It shows nothing about the Geth or EDI. Personally I think the StarChild is lying to Shepard about getting rid of -all- synthetic life to dissuade you from choosing Destroy.