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[McGrzegorz]

Blubox wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

FreedMason wrote...

The biggest plot-hole pre ending--at least for me--is the Crucible. This has probably been mentioned before, but how can Galatic species build a McGuffin superweapon for billions of years without the ultra-effecient Reapers noticing? They built the Mass Relays, and it appears they 'allowed' the races to build this superweapon. Why did the Reapers not locate and destroy the Crucible during the game if it really could kill them? Perhaps it was another Mass Relay trap that allowed their plans to go forth unhindered. Could it have been indoctrinating the workers that were constructing it?

With that logic, how can the reapers not locate and kill shepard immediately, since they will know through radio chatter, he is the one reuiniting the people.

Do not read too much int othis, there is a limit between realism, and makign a story interesting.

Probably the Reapers invented the crucible and used it as a bite =). Nobody really know what it is doing.

That the reapers were responsable for creating the crucible crossed
my mind the very first time they said "nobody knows who created it
first" so... just like the mass relays?

Crucible could be the ultimate trap for distracting the war and taking resources away from it (AKA the galactic Troll).

There is reaper tech inside the crucible, there is no way in hell they didnt know about it, they want shepard alive.

There is something wrong with Crucible I think (like many people) it's a trap.
Why? (Because we all love speculations... )

OK now seriously... during conversation (between Shepard, Anderson and Hackett) Hackett says something like (not direct quote):
It's 50 % done, after we cracked the design it is really easy to proceed. It is not Prothean specific (!!!).
Shephard was really surprised by this fact.

Let's remember Prothean was a supierior race at that time, so it looks like they didn't design that...
Reaper Trojan Horse?

EDIT: spelling

Modifié par McGrzegorz, 03 avril 2012 - 03:12 .

[FreshRevenge]

 can any one confirmed this for me? Can a reaper read your thoughts? Or can the Catalyst Child read your thoughts?

I started thinking that at the end the appearance of the Catalyst was the same boy you saw in the beginning. Now if the boy wasn't real but a projection of the catalyst through Shepards mind, than I definitely see the indoctrination theory to be accurate.

Unless the catalyst has the ability to read Shepards mind? Which I don't think it can? Took the image of the boy that Shepard saw in the beginning and started giving Shepard the nightmares and appears at the end?

Also I did notice something, after seeing the boy it is followed by destruction. In the beginning when you see the boy playing with the spacecraft. Vega enter Shepards quarters to alert her/him that they need Shepard since they found out that something big is on its way! When you are before the Human Council the reapers land and destroy the building that you are on which the same boy was on!

The second appearance of the boy you can see him running into the builiding. Notice how as soon as the boy runs into the building the reaper places a laser there blowing the building that you and Anderson enter.

Now honestly I don't see why if the Catalyst was  there in the vent decide to take Shepard out in that moment? 

The third time was when Shepard was on the ramp of the Normandy before leaving earth. The child looks up at  Shepard and gets on the shuttle. Which is followed by a laser, blowing the shuttle to peices!

Now it seems like the boy or Catalyst is setting up targets for the reapers to strike?

Also I notice something else about the dreams. Since we know the boy is the catalyst from watching the end. That Shepard in the dreams is chasing the boy aka the catalyst and every time Shepard tries to save the boy, he ends up burning or destruction! Shepard doesn't start having the dreams until they recover the plans for the Crucible and realize they need to find out what this missing component is which is the catalyst.

So if the Catalyst is part of the Citatel than when Shepard and Liara meet up with the Galatic council, they reveal the plans for the crucible. Well I don't doubt the Catalyst child or AI just over heard the whole entire conversation and now knows that Shepard is now on the search for the catalyst! Hence the dreams start! You don't really start having the dreams until you leave the citatel!

Also I wanted to point something else out. The Asari councilor tells you about the artifact on Thessia. If the Catalyst Child is on the Citatel. Then the Catalyst overheard that conversation as well! Now if the Catalyst was all ready controlling the Illusive man, Than maybe the Catalyst informed the Illusive man of the artifact to stop Shepard from getting the information? I mean it seems like Kai Leng showed up there out of the blue? I mean I know the Illusive man says that he found it within the archives. Yet the Catalyst may have planted intel for the Illusive man?

The only puzzle that I am trying to figure out is can the Catalyst read Shepards mind? Either the Catalyst projected an innocent child to fool Shepard or the Catalyst saw the boy from Shepards mind and decide to start giving Shepard the nightmares or warnings?

This is my mind trying to analyze the whole thing?

[FreedMason]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

FreedMason wrote...

The biggest plot-hole pre ending--at least for me--is the Crucible. This has probably been mentioned before, but how can Galatic species build a McGuffin superweapon for billions of years without the ultra-effecient Reapers noticing? They built the Mass Relays, and it appears they 'allowed' the races to build this superweapon. Why did the Reapers not locate and destroy the Crucible during the game if it really could kill them? Perhaps it was another Mass Relay trap that allowed their plans to go forth unhindered. Could it have been indoctrinating the workers that were constructing it?

With that logic, how can the reapers not locate and kill shepard immediately, since they will know through radio chatter, he is the one reuiniting the people.

Do not read too much into this, there is a limit between realism, and making a story possible and interesting. If you want to find every single plothole in the whole saga, you could write a book larger than all 3 stories combined, but this does not apply only to ME, every story can be contradicted if you look close enough to it, like in Lord of the Rings... why didn;t the eagles fly and drop the ring? You can come up with all kind of answers and solutions, but a lot of people sees that as a plothole.

Actually, that would be an interesting game mechanic; after every other radio communication, have the Reapers chase the Normandy. Of coure it is too late now, however that could have been a way to make the whole situation much more intense.

[benben84]

April 4th = vacation
April 6th = CAN'T WAIT!

Is it a bad sign I'm more interested in hearing about the ME3 announcement than going on vacation for 2 weeks??

[FreedMason]

[/quote]

There is something wrong with Crucible I think (like many people) it's a trap.
Why? (Because we all love speculations... )

OK now seriously... during conversation (between Shepard, Anderson and Hackett) Hackett says something like (not direct quote):
It's 50 % done, after we cracked the design it is really easy to proceed. It is not Prothean specific (!!!).
Shephard was really surprised by this fact.

Let's remember Prothean was a supierior race at that time, so it looks like they didn't design that...
Reaper Trojan Horse?

EDIT: spelling

[/quote]

Exactly my thoughts. It seems to much like Murphy's Laws of Combat; "The easy way is mined." It seems relatively easy to amass all races to make a super weapon that will make all of the Reapers go away. I thought that the Virtual Intelligence in TIM's office mentioned something about an unknown factor in the Crucible, either the Catalyst or the fact npbody knows where the Crucible came from. Or am I mixing it up with the Asari VI on Thessia?

[BWSocial]

Golferguy758 wrote...

And continuing on that train of thought if the mass relay is too far to get to I highly doubt they could have gotten out of the system. Ergo we have some fancy terra forming going on the sol system or the normandy clearly hasn't gone any where and it's just shepard's mind

/agree

[Golferguy758]

Logic shall prevail over nonsense. That is the only way.

[CheesieOnion]

McGrzegorz wrote...

Blubox wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

FreedMason wrote...

The biggest plot-hole pre ending--at least for me--is the Crucible. This has probably been mentioned before, but how can Galatic species build a McGuffin superweapon for billions of years without the ultra-effecient Reapers noticing? They built the Mass Relays, and it appears they 'allowed' the races to build this superweapon. Why did the Reapers not locate and destroy the Crucible during the game if it really could kill them? Perhaps it was another Mass Relay trap that allowed their plans to go forth unhindered. Could it have been indoctrinating the workers that were constructing it?

With that logic, how can the reapers not locate and kill shepard immediately, since they will know through radio chatter, he is the one reuiniting the people.

Do not read too much int othis, there is a limit between realism, and makign a story interesting.

Probably the Reapers invented the crucible and used it as a bite =). Nobody really know what it is doing.

That the reapers were responsable for creating the crucible crossed
my mind the very first time they said "nobody knows who created it
first" so... just like the mass relays?

Crucible could be the ultimate trap for distracting the war and taking resources away from it (AKA the galactic Troll).

There is reaper tech inside the crucible, there is no way in hell they didnt know about it, they want shepard alive.

There is something wrong with Crucible I think (like many people) it's a trap.
Why? (Because we all love speculations... )

OK now seriously... during conversation (between Shepard, Anderson and Hackett) Hackett says something like (not direct quote):
It's 50 % done, after we cracked the design it is really easy to proceed. It is not Prothean specific (!!!).
Shephard was really surprised by this fact.

Let's remember Prothean was a supierior race at that time, so it looks like they didn't design that...
Reaper Trojan Horse?

EDIT: spelling

In the game they also said, that the protheans didn't design it, but that it was designed a lot of cycles ago. I think Javik mentions this.

[Fhaarkas]

Has the possibility that The Catalyst was testing Shepard (in the final sequence) been brought up? I haven't come across any yet.

[MadRabbit999]

McGrzegorz wrote...

Blubox wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

FreedMason wrote...

The biggest plot-hole pre ending--at least for me--is the Crucible. This has probably been mentioned before, but how can Galatic species build a McGuffin superweapon for billions of years without the ultra-effecient Reapers noticing? They built the Mass Relays, and it appears they 'allowed' the races to build this superweapon. Why did the Reapers not locate and destroy the Crucible during the game if it really could kill them? Perhaps it was another Mass Relay trap that allowed their plans to go forth unhindered. Could it have been indoctrinating the workers that were constructing it?

With that logic, how can the reapers not locate and kill shepard immediately, since they will know through radio chatter, he is the one reuiniting the people.

Do not read too much int othis, there is a limit between realism, and makign a story interesting.

Probably the Reapers invented the crucible and used it as a bite =). Nobody really know what it is doing.

That the reapers were responsable for creating the crucible crossed
my mind the very first time they said "nobody knows who created it
first" so... just like the mass relays?

Crucible could be the ultimate trap for distracting the war and taking resources away from it (AKA the galactic Troll).

There is reaper tech inside the crucible, there is no way in hell they didnt know about it, they want shepard alive.

There is something wrong with Crucible I think (like many people) it's a trap.
Why? (Because we all love speculations... )

OK now seriously... during conversation (between Shepard, Anderson and Hackett) Hackett says something like (not direct quote):
It's 50 % done, after we cracked the design it is really easy to proceed. It is not Prothean specific (!!!).
Shephard was really surprised by this fact.

Let's remember Prothean was a supierior race at that time, so it looks like they didn't design that...
Reaper Trojan Horse?

EDIT: spelling

It has been stated in the game that the cruvible was built duing many galactic cycles before, and everytime  a species adds a new bit to it, it is no surprise... but there is still the question that like everything else ,what if the Crucible was meant to be built? (Think the Matrix prophecy lie).

FreedMason wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

FreedMason wrote...

The
biggest plot-hole pre ending--at least for me--is the Crucible. This
has probably been mentioned before, but how can Galatic species build a
McGuffin superweapon for billions of years without the ultra-effecient
Reapers noticing? They built the Mass Relays, and it appears they
'allowed' the races to build this superweapon. Why did the Reapers not
locate and destroy the Crucible during the game if it really could kill
them? Perhaps it was another Mass Relay trap that allowed their plans to
go forth unhindered. Could it have been indoctrinating the workers that
were constructing it?

With that logic, how can the
reapers not locate and kill shepard immediately, since they will know
through radio chatter, he is the one reuiniting the people.

Do
not read too much into this, there is a limit between realism, and
making a story possible and interesting. If you want to find every
single plothole in the whole saga, you could write a book larger than
all 3 stories combined, but this does not apply only to ME, every story
can be contradicted if you look close enough to it, like in Lord of the
Rings... why didn;t the eagles fly and drop the ring? You can come up
with all kind of answers and solutions, but a lot of people sees that as
a plothole.

Actually, that would be an interesting
game mechanic; after every other radio communication, have the Reapers
chase the Normandy. Of coure it is too late now, however that could have
been a way to make the whole situation much more intense.

Who knows, maybe they tried it, and thoguht it was too annoying?

I was 90% sure they would have implemented a minigame wtih you in control of the Normandy,
having to dodge reaper fire and shoot the tentacles off or something...
but it was only a dream

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 03 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Also, I'd like to point out that the starchild didn't necessarily lie when he remarked Shepard being partly synthetic. At no point did he imply explicitly that Shepard would die, like he did for the Geth. The starchild said, "synthetic life" would die, not anything and everything synthetic. Perhaps he was just trying to dissuade Shepard from choosing that option.

Sure Shepard had synthetic implants, but she was organic at core.Same in principle as a guy in our time who has an artificial pacemaker installed, or has an artificial leg. That doesn't make them synthetic. If we assume that Shepard would be partly dead cuz the wave disables his synthetic components, that means it would also disable pretty much any and every machine in the galaxy. But that is not true since we saw the door on the crashed Normandy functional. So i think what the starchild means that that option would destroy only beings whose origins were synthetic, like the Geth or EDI.

[BWSocial]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

if IT is real then that would mean the battle is still raging and shepard wakes up still in london, the normandy and its crew would still be okay and the geth/synthetic life and the relays would still be alright.
and then we'd still have to fight the reapers.

/agreed,
But I doubt there will be a continuation of this battle for us (the players) in any form (DLC). I am thinking we really have to deal with the information we already have and perhaps a little more clarification from Bioware but no DLC that allows us to fight after Shep awakes.

Ah, heck this is all speculation yes, but I thik we are real close to what BW 'meant'... if I may hope so  .

[GodlessPaladin]

byne wrote...
Is it just me, or does the entire ending sequence not feel like it fits in with the overall theme of the ME universe? It just feels.... off

  That's an understatement.  It doesn't fit with the underlying themes of the ME universe at all... in fact, it flies in the face of them

[MadRabbit999]

BWSocial wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

if IT is real then that would mean the battle is still raging and shepard wakes up still in london, the normandy and its crew would still be okay and the geth/synthetic life and the relays would still be alright.
and then we'd still have to fight the reapers.

/agreed,
But I doubt there will be a continuation of this battle for us (the players) in any form (DLC). I am thinking we really have to deal with the information we already have and perhaps a little more clarification from Bioware but no DLC that allows us to fight after Shep awakes.

Ah, heck this is all speculation yes, but I thik we are real close to what BW 'meant'... if I may hope so  .

Speculation is what BW wants.. no matter how many DLC they will release.. they will give you more clues or hints, but will never release the "truth" because that owuld defeate their "clever" idea of making people speculate.... honestly, discussing how brilliant the game was, would have made better forum topics than constant rage/hate topics.

[CheesieOnion]

Fhaarkas wrote...

Has the possibility that The Catalyst was testing Shepard (in the final sequence) been brought up? I haven't come across any yet.

Testing for what?

[benben84]

BWSocial wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

if IT is real then that would mean the battle is still raging and shepard wakes up still in london, the normandy and its crew would still be okay and the geth/synthetic life and the relays would still be alright.
and then we'd still have to fight the reapers.

/agreed,
But I doubt there will be a continuation of this battle for us (the players) in any form (DLC). I am thinking we really have to deal with the information we already have and perhaps a little more clarification from Bioware but no DLC that allows us to fight after Shep awakes.

Ah, heck this is all speculation yes, but I thik we are real close to what BW 'meant'... if I may hope so  .

According to tweets and comments from others BW hints at something big.  A few more cutscenes to fill plothole gaps is not something big.  I think we are in for a surprise regardless if it's IDT or not.  If it's IDT, BW will be crowned.

[byne]

CheesieOnion wrote...

Fhaarkas wrote...

Has the possibility that The Catalyst was testing Shepard (in the final sequence) been brought up? I haven't come across any yet.

Testing for what?

Scale itch probably. It had to have gotten on the Normandy somehow

[Chaosbrain]

FreedMason wrote...


There is something wrong with Crucible I think (like many people) it's a trap.
Why? (Because we all love speculations... )

OK now seriously... during conversation (between Shepard, Anderson and Hackett) Hackett says something like (not direct quote):
It's 50 % done, after we cracked the design it is really easy to proceed. It is not Prothean specific (!!!).
Shephard was really surprised by this fact.

Let's remember Prothean was a supierior race at that time, so it looks like they didn't design that...
Reaper Trojan Horse?

EDIT: spelling


Exactly my thoughts. It seems to much like Murphy's Laws of Combat; "The easy way is mined." It seems relatively easy to amass all races to make a super weapon that will make all of the Reapers go away. I thought that the Virtual Intelligence in TIM's office mentioned something about an unknown factor in the Crucible, either the Catalyst or the fact npbody knows where the Crucible came from. Or am I mixing it up with the Asari VI on Thessia?

Well it's not prothean specific because the blueprint for the crucible is much older than the protheans... Every species made the blueprint a little better and added some things... ( I think it was said at some point in the game...) So it can't be prothean specific... But yeah it could be that the crucible is a trap.. But then I'd like to know how we would be able to beat the reapers, because the crucible is the only hope so far..

EDIT: aaah quote fail

Modifié par Chaosbrain, 03 avril 2012 - 03:42 .

[Dwailing]

benben84 wrote...

BWSocial wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

if IT is real then that would mean the battle is still raging and shepard wakes up still in london, the normandy and its crew would still be okay and the geth/synthetic life and the relays would still be alright.
and then we'd still have to fight the reapers.

/agreed,
But I doubt there will be a continuation of this battle for us (the players) in any form (DLC). I am thinking we really have to deal with the information we already have and perhaps a little more clarification from Bioware but no DLC that allows us to fight after Shep awakes.

Ah, heck this is all speculation yes, but I thik we are real close to what BW 'meant'... if I may hope so  .

According to tweets and comments from others BW hints at something big.  A few more cutscenes to fill plothole gaps is not something big.  I think we are in for a surprise regardless if it's IDT or not.  If it's IDT, BW will be crowned.

What did the one writer who wrote the article about the endings say.  Something to the effect of: If this is true Bioware will become my gods and I will sacrifice my manuscripts at a pagan altar in their honor.   I don't think that is the exact quote, but it about sums up my feelings on this matter.

[Dwailing]

benben84 wrote...

April 4th = vacation
April 6th = CAN'T WAIT!

Is it a bad sign I'm more interested in hearing about the ME3 announcement than going on vacation for 2 weeks??

No way man!  The ME3 endings are more important than any vacation! 

[Dwailing]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Logic shall prevail over nonsense. That is the only way.

Not nonsense, SPACE MAGIC!!!!!! :wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Fhaarkas]

CheesieOnion wrote...

Fhaarkas wrote...

Has the possibility that The Catalyst was testing Shepard (in the final sequence) been brought up? I haven't come across any yet.

Testing for what?

He noted that Shepard was the first organic to ever come that far (in 1 billion years!!), even looked impressed. Maybe he was just testing his resolution to see if he is worthy ?

(Sorry I am intentionally vague about my theory here. I didn't check the established facts apart from the 23-minutes video nor am I an expert of ME universe. )

[benben84]

Dwailing wrote...

benben84 wrote...

April 4th = vacation
April 6th = CAN'T WAIT!

Is it a bad sign I'm more interested in hearing about the ME3 announcement than going on vacation for 2 weeks??

No way man!  The ME3 endings are more important than any vacation! 

If I brought my 360 my wife would kill me! lol  The wait is going to kill me!  It's a lose-lose situation!  I'll most likely be checking on ME news here, IGN, gamespot, kotaku, etc on my phone all weekend!

[MadRabbit999]

Chaosbrain wrote...

FreedMason wrote...


There is something wrong with Crucible I think (like many people) it's a trap.
Why? (Because we all love speculations... )

OK now seriously... during conversation (between Shepard, Anderson and Hackett) Hackett says something like (not direct quote):
It's 50 % done, after we cracked the design it is really easy to proceed. It is not Prothean specific (!!!).
Shephard was really surprised by this fact.

Let's remember Prothean was a supierior race at that time, so it looks like they didn't design that...
Reaper Trojan Horse?

EDIT: spelling


Exactly my thoughts. It seems to much like Murphy's Laws of Combat; "The easy way is mined." It seems relatively easy to amass all races to make a super weapon that will make all of the Reapers go away. I thought that the Virtual Intelligence in TIM's office mentioned something about an unknown factor in the Crucible, either the Catalyst or the fact npbody knows where the Crucible came from. Or am I mixing it up with the Asari VI on Thessia?

Well it's not prothean specific because the blueprint for the crucible is much older than the protheans... Every species made the blueprint a little better and added some things... ( I think it was said at some point in the game...) So it can't be prothean specific... But yeah it could be that the crucible is a trap.. But then I'd like to know how we would be able to beat the reapers, because the crucible is the only hope so far..

EDIT: aaah quote fail

Unless Javik is indoctrinated and was lying from the start about everything (Reason why Cerberus makes it so easy for you to capture him and leave him unguarded).

[CheesieOnion]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Chaosbrain wrote...

FreedMason wrote...


There is something wrong with Crucible I think (like many people) it's a trap.
Why? (Because we all love speculations... )

OK now seriously... during conversation (between Shepard, Anderson and Hackett) Hackett says something like (not direct quote):
It's 50 % done, after we cracked the design it is really easy to proceed. It is not Prothean specific (!!!).
Shephard was really surprised by this fact.

Let's remember Prothean was a supierior race at that time, so it looks like they didn't design that...
Reaper Trojan Horse?

EDIT: spelling


Exactly my thoughts. It seems to much like Murphy's Laws of Combat; "The easy way is mined." It seems relatively easy to amass all races to make a super weapon that will make all of the Reapers go away. I thought that the Virtual Intelligence in TIM's office mentioned something about an unknown factor in the Crucible, either the Catalyst or the fact npbody knows where the Crucible came from. Or am I mixing it up with the Asari VI on Thessia?

Well it's not prothean specific because the blueprint for the crucible is much older than the protheans... Every species made the blueprint a little better and added some things... ( I think it was said at some point in the game...) So it can't be prothean specific... But yeah it could be that the crucible is a trap.. But then I'd like to know how we would be able to beat the reapers, because the crucible is the only hope so far..

EDIT: aaah quote fail

Unless Javik is indoctrinated and was lying from the start about everything (Reason why Cerberus makes it so easy for you to capture him and leave him unguarded).

It's told by the Prothean VI. But if he was indoctrinated you would notice, you can't have someone on your ship for a couple of weeks without noticiing he's indoctrinated.