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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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KHReborn

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Can anyone tell my why the whole space magic system is able to fire, after you shoot into the energy-delivering-system?

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noobcannon wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Found another plot hole: In Anderson's cut dialogue, he says he never had any kids. Yet, if you look into his file on the Shadow Broker base, his ex-wife emailed him about his son, Jason. WHAT IS GOING ON?!


WHAT THE F?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!


Wrong facts are a dream sign. lol.

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krystalevenstar wrote...

Updating what I said last page:
I have a new idea from that audio clip. When Shepard wakes up from the dream ending, in the pile of rubble, she's still going to have to go to the conduit to activate the crucible, maybe Anderson goes with her then. Maybe this won't have to be a DLC, maybe it's just some tweaks to the current ending, minus the dream-y aspects, IF you passed the indoctrination check. Maybe after Shepard activates the crucible, there's the full conversation with Anderson, who unfortunately still passes away (but it kind of expected), and then the crucible goes off how it was supposed to. No god child, but the reapers are destroyed. The normandy comes into the citadel and gets shepard, shepard wakes up at some point after. Why else would they record both full conversations with femshep and maleshep + anderson and cut both. No, they'll use this, I can guarantee it.

That means the actual ending is probably on the disk and just super locked until bioware patches it open.

o_o


Regarding that, what I said earlier:

Here's something. Go ahead and play the files:

End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem.bik
End03_Shepard_Alive_Male.bik

These can be found here if anyone isn't sure:

Mass Effect 3\\BIOGame\\Movies

These files show the scene where Shepard begins breathing.


If you look carefully you can see what appears to be power cables and metal along with the rubble. Could these be the remains of the conduit? The design of the cables (silver with black banding) seems familiar but I cannot think why. If what I'm seeing can be confirmed, it could mean that the conduit is destroyed, leaving the question of what destroyed it?

It also appears that Shepard isn't just surrounded by rubble, but actually buried beneath it.


From what I saw, it is highly unlikely that Shepard can free him/herself. Sound familiar? Think back to what Bacara (I think that is how you spell it) said on Tuchanka about her rite to become a shaman and digging out of a cave with a crystal.

Foreshadowing seems to be occurring rather a lot here. Either that or we're just seeing what we want to see.

Modifié par Hellfire257, 12 mars 2012 - 12:27 .


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TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

What's this unused bit of dialog between femshep and Anderson?


Are you sure you want to know? Sadness abounds for those who seek this video...


Because we're not all depressed enough...


you cruel cruel person lol

The tears. They won't stop for anyone. ;___;


Don't suppose there is a male shep version?

regardless very good scene, game should have ended with that. 

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noobcannon wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Found another plot hole: In Anderson's cut dialogue, he says he never had any kids. Yet, if you look into his file on the Shadow Broker base, his ex-wife emailed him about his son, Jason. WHAT IS GOING ON?!


WHAT THE F?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!


Doesn't necessarily mean it's his biological son though. He could be adopted or a step-son or anything. Maybe the cut dialogue is Anderson saying he doesn't have his OWN family.

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

eclipso621 wrote...

 So just restarted my second playthough....Did anyone else notice when you first run into the husks, the little kid runs into the room you enter be for the door closes.


...what?

This is true. But he could still be a hallucination


im just saying I never noticed the kid my first playthrough.

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Ecmoose wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand this common misconception that you destroy most technology.

The Catalyst outright says that it does.


When? The Catalyst says it destroys all synthetic life. Including the geth.

That's as far as that goes.

Catalyst: I know you've thought about destroying us.
You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want. Even you are partially synthetic.
But the peace won't last. Your children will create synthetics.


That's all. Where does that say all technology is destroyed?


As far as the person asking how the catalyst would no what to kill. I beleieve the intent is that the energy sent out destroys only synthetic life. It's not so much pinpointing as it is using "space magic".


Its probably different for a renegade shep, there is definately a file or two saying that "all technology" would be made redundant, audio files in fact.

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KHReborn wrote...

Can anyone tell my why the whole space magic system is able to fire, after you shoot into the energy-delivering-system?


Because it's space magic, silly! :wizard:

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carilynn46 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

carilynn46 wrote...

I have a question, but before i ask i have to say that I support this SO MUCH it isn't even funny lol i mean every thing just seemed out of place and not right. but my question is when shep wakes up after the beam attack I noticed that some people have seen their crew laying around them dead, but I didn't seen any of my team mates dead around me, what causes this?

What was your EMS? Mine was 5028 when I launched the Earth mission and I didn't see any of my team mates dead. 


mine was 6 thousand and something plus a hundred percent readiness, i am guessing your EMS has something to do with that?


Yes. I do recall that if you have enough EMS, then your squad mates will not appear dead. 

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krystalevenstar

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xGhost4000x wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

What's this unused bit of dialog between femshep and Anderson?


Are you sure you want to know? Sadness abounds for those who seek this video...


Because we're not all depressed enough...


you cruel cruel person lol

The tears. They won't stop for anyone. ;___;


Don't suppose there is a male shep version?

regardless very good scene, game should have ended with that. 


There is a male version, AND the female version. Very suspicious...
Male Version

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Eh, I hope this was all a dream sequence...that was shown a lot...and with that kid...just didn't make sense...

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TobiTobsen wrote...

KHReborn wrote...

Can anyone tell my why the whole space magic system is able to fire, after you shoot into the energy-delivering-system?


Because it's space magic, silly! :wizard:


Seems legit! :lol:

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Deltateam Elcor

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I have found one voice file that says exactly this from the Child.

"path is open, there is only one way ahead".

end003_catalyst_m_D_Int.020

I dont know if its for a renagade shep or not, i did not hear it in paragon shep, anyone know?

Modifié par Deltateam Elcor, 12 mars 2012 - 12:32 .


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Has anyone explained why the datapad at the end (after the credits, where you hit A to resume) says that Shepard defeated the Reaper threat and became a legend (it's killing me that I can't find the exact wording it because I might be recalling it incorrectly)?

I want to buy into this theory so much, but I'm trying to remain skeptical about it as well. I hope that we're on the right track here, but, at the very least, I'd say this theory should become the community's "definitive" fanfiction ending!

Modifié par GBGriffin, 12 mars 2012 - 12:31 .


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xGhost4000x wrote...


Don't suppose there is a male shep version?

regardless very good scene, game should have ended with that. 


MShep Version

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Some leak info repost about the Catalyst can be found here.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 12 mars 2012 - 12:39 .


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Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Its probably different for a renegade shep, there is definately a file or two saying that "all technology" would be made redundant, audio files in fact.


Well I replayed through that sequence a few hours ago, and the Guardian said something along the lines of "and most of the technology you rely on". He didn't say "all", but he did mention the technology when presenting me with my COLORFUL options.

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GBGriffin wrote...

Has anyone explained why the datapad at the end (after the credits, where you hit A to resume) says that Shepard defeated the Reaper threat and became a legend (it's killing me that I can't find the exact wording it because I might be recalling it incorrectly)?

I want to buy into this theory so much, but I'm trying to remain skeptical about it as well. I hope that we're on the right track here, but, at the very least, I'd say this theory should become the community's "definitive" fanfiction ending!


lol welcome back, several of us are still loitering around here wishing to feel better ;)

#2844
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The datapad doesn't disprove anything. Shepard could still defeat the reapers and become a legend after the rest of the ending becomes available.

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Ona Demonie wrote...

Found another plot hole: In Anderson's cut dialogue, he says he never had any kids. Yet, if you look into his file on the Shadow Broker base, his ex-wife emailed him about his son, Jason. WHAT IS GOING ON?!

Maybe that's why they cut some of the dialogue.

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k8ee wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Has anyone explained why the datapad at the end (after the credits, where you hit A to resume) says that Shepard defeated the Reaper threat and became a legend (it's killing me that I can't find the exact wording it because I might be recalling it incorrectly)?

I want to buy into this theory so much, but I'm trying to remain skeptical about it as well. I hope that we're on the right track here, but, at the very least, I'd say this theory should become the community's "definitive" fanfiction ending!


lol welcome back, several of us are still loitering around here wishing to feel better ;)


I actually haven't been lurking this thread since last night because I was inspired to actually go through and play ME2 again! This time as a Vanguard instead of a Soldier (and holllllllly hell is it fun :D) This thead and the people in it inspired me to do this!

Like I said, for now, this has given me just the right amount of motivation I've needed to go back and play 2 (to "romance" Kelly) and then to go through 3 to see what people are talking about and if I can spot anything else.

I'm almost scared to check back to see if BioWare has ruined it yet, though :P Still, I'll easily headcanon this as my ending if they do.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 12 mars 2012 - 12:42 .


#2847
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krystalevenstar wrote...

The datapad doesn't disprove anything. Shepard could still defeat the reapers and become a legend after the rest of the ending becomes available.



Exactly. You don't have to die in the process to become a legend. You can defeat them and become a hero and then a legend. And that datapad also mentions dlc, so...yeah. 

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TamiBx wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

The datapad doesn't disprove anything. Shepard could still defeat the reapers and become a legend after the rest of the ending becomes available.



Exactly. You don't have to die in the process to become a legend. You can defeat them and become a hero and then a legend. And that datapad also mentions dlc, so...yeah. 


Agreed

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If you are correct in your assumptions, that means I doomed the galaxy.

But it would be cruel. I mean the ending is emotionally harsh. Every species on its own, relays gone, no info on your squadmates - it is beyond sad.
Coming up with a DLC telling us this was all fake and a dream might even be worse than it actually being the real endings.

Besides: I haven't seen the destroy ending but I presume it also shows the relays blowing up. If it does, what is the sense of it if the reapers lose with this option? No need to imagining such a thing after overcoming the indoctrination.

I guess I'll fire up ME3 again tomorrow to play the destroy ending and watch closely after all...

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I_Jedi wrote...

Denethar wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

How does Hackett know that it is Shepard inside the Citadel when it is specifically stated that no one saw anyone make it to the beam?


Plotholes, oh so very many lovely plotholes.


It's like I hear a new one every hour.

Also, where's the medi-gel shepard always has?
How does harbinger blow away all Shepard's paint?


wait I like this point... Shepard's paint is gone... which always represented him and also represent the Mass Effect series itself.  However, his red,white war paint is gone... I might be stretching something here but it seems like the symbolism... whole citadel shepard is not real shepard! lol just blurting out rough thought