57139 réponses à ce sujet

[njfluffy19]

N7xELITE wrote...

 http://ts4.mm.bing.n...d4b6585b5f2b77d

This reminds me that I wanted to see a fat asari this time around. Bioware, I am disappoint.

[khyvari]

I can't imagine what the "materials" are either. But since the contents of the crucible cannot be affected by intense heat or pressure; perhaps the "explosion" of the Citadel (result of Shepard's flavor of choice) and by extension, the catalyst might have a symbolic meaning. Writers don't just pull names for things in the stories they write for no reason, often those names often give hints at meaning. Who knows. And remember, the use of the ghostly child is also a symbol for doubt of personal identity. Shepard questions who he/she is in both games (ME2 and ME3) and even reflects on if he/she is even human. Who knows, it is interesting and Bioware is very clever.

[N7xELITE]

Dwailing wrote...

N7xELITE, good to see you again.

Thanks and its good to be back 

[Lyria]

Shepard in the last dream going up in flames is a representation of her will going up in flames. The reapers have finally breached her defenses. And her embrace of Ventkid is a metaphor for her subconscious acceptance of indoctrination

[khyvari]

I need caffeine, I just wrote something that makes no sense, sorry.

[Silasqtx]

Silasqtx wrote...

Guys it's late here so I can't piece it together. I'm talking about the last dream, where Shepard sees that his.. "image" hugs Ventkid and they both burst up in flames.

Now, the question. If IT is true, what does that mean, we all already know: do not trust the ventkid, ever.

If it's not true then.. what does this dream mean?

@protognosis Okay, but assuming that IT is wrong, what's the meaning of this?

Modifié par Silasqtx, 03 avril 2012 - 10:24 .

[Dwailing]

njfluffy19 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

 http://ts4.mm.bing.n...d4b6585b5f2b77d

This reminds me that I wanted to see a fat asari this time around. Bioware, I am disappoint.

Well, the Banshee had a potbelly....  Not sure if that counts, though.

[njfluffy19]

protognosis wrote...

Shepard in the last dream going up in flames is a representation of her will going up in flames. The reapers have finally breached her defenses. And her embrace of Ventkid is a metaphor for her subconscious acceptance of indoctrination

Yes. If you notice with your last conversation with your LI, Shepard's resolve is wavering. It is your LI who tries to strengthen it with reassurances. Shepard has never been "Woe is me, we're dh00med". He/she has always 'held the line'.

[Shooter__Andy]

Asari are aliens... Are you sure they even CAN be fat?

[njfluffy19]

Dwailing wrote...


Well, the Banshee had a potbelly....  Not sure if that counts, though.

Ha. The paunch don't count! They're all stretched out and skinny everywhere else.

Modifié par njfluffy19, 03 avril 2012 - 10:25 .

[schneeland]

khyvari wrote...

I can't imagine what the "materials" are either. But since the contents of the crucible cannot be affected by intense heat or pressure; perhaps the "explosion" of the Citadel (result of Shepard's flavor of choice) and by extension, the catalyst might have a symbolic meaning. Writers don't just pull names for things in the stories they write for no reason, often those names often give hints at meaning. Who knows. And remember, the use of the ghostly child is also a symbol for doubt of personal identity. Shepard questions who he/she is in both games (ME2 and ME3) and even reflects on if he/she is even human. Who knows, it is interesting and Bioware is very clever.

Well, it will be surely interesting to see what Bioware had in mind while designing these things. Actually I just remembered that on a symbolic level, the Crucible is something that fuses all peoples of the galaxy together and that Shepard is the catalyst inducing that fusion. But then we have been told repeatedly that the Reapers cannot be defeated conventionally, so I'd say there's more to the crucible than symbolic value.

[Dwailing]

Silasqtx wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Guys it's late here so I can't piece it together. I'm talking about the last dream, where Shepard sees that his.. "image" hugs Ventkid and they both burst up in flames.

Now, the question. If IT is true, what does that mean, we all already know: do not trust the ventkid, ever.

If it's not true then.. what does this dream mean?

@protognosis Okay, but assuming that IT is wrong, what's the meaning of this?

Uh, that's assuming IT is wrong.  Honestly, though, I don't think there IS another explanation for that beyond IT.  Or at least I haven't seen one.

[Kujap]

 I haven't touched or read anything mass effect in a couple of weeks... because I'm not a fan of depression. I'm curious what have people who don't think they were being indoctrinated been saying about the point that shepard ONLY breathes in the destroy choice? Whats the common counter to this point?

[khyvari]

I don't think the Banshees have a potbelly, it is something far far worse.

[Baldsake]

protognosis wrote...

Shepard in the last dream going up in flames is a representation of her will going up in flames. The reapers have finally breached her defenses. And her embrace of Ventkid is a metaphor for her subconscious acceptance of indoctrination

Yeah i figured something like that, its been a while though so thanks for explaining.

[Macross]

schneeland wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Pathero wrote...

[....]

Also crucible is thought to come from crux (latin for cross).  Shep = Space Jesus.  Resurection announcement incoming for Good Friday (April 6th) at Pax.

Only bad thing about that: Jesus is said to die on this day.

Also, the way my Shephard acts from time to time isn't exactly bringing him to heaven. Taking some renegade Sheps into account, I'd say, not wonder they crucified Jesus if he behaved that way.

Actually Shepard is referred to as God in the Bible "The Lord is my Shepard", so even though the writer wanted to give you the impression that Shepard is a reference to Jesus, it is not entirely correct.

I do not think doing this announcement on the 6th is a coincidence, the whole of Mass Effect is filled with quotes and references from the bible.

Well, if they intended to give me the impression that Shepard is either god or Jesus, they weren't terribly successful. Same thing for the biblical references - my knowledge on the Christian religion is limited, so I might have missed a thing or two, but I find the overall story rather to be a classical hero's tale.

The thing is they don't have to give the impression that Shepard is Jesus, because on simple principle he isn't. But rather they are showing that Shepard is a Messianic figure in the making (the Stargazer scene more than makes this clear) and the best way to create the concept of a Messiah within the audience is by drawing biblical links to Jesus, which there are many.

Modifié par Macross, 03 avril 2012 - 10:27 .

[njfluffy19]

Shooter__Andy wrote...

Asari are aliens... Are you sure they even CAN be fat?

Hmmm. I have dismissed this claim of "supermodel species." They have to be somewhere! Show me dem fatties!

[EpyonX3]

Silasqtx wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Guys it's late here so I can't piece it together. I'm talking about the last dream, where Shepard sees that his.. "image" hugs Ventkid and they both burst up in flames.

Now, the question. If IT is true, what does that mean, we all already know: do not trust the ventkid, ever.

If it's not true then.. what does this dream mean?

@protognosis Okay, but assuming that IT is wrong, what's the meaning of this?

It means it's a bad omen. Shepard is going to die, just like the child did on earth.

[Dwailing]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


Well, the Banshee had a potbelly....  Not sure if that counts, though.

Ha. The paunch don't count! They're all stretched out and skinny everywhere else.

True.  I would say that Huskification is the ultimate weightloss plan, but then I remember the Cannibals and Brutes. 

[N7xELITE]

http://ts3.mm.bing.n...487e8e3d5daf31c

Modifié par N7xELITE, 03 avril 2012 - 10:30 .

[Shooter__Andy]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Hmmm. I have dismissed this claim...

*Disconnect*

[Dwailing]

Kujap wrote...

 I haven't touched or read anything mass effect in a couple of weeks... because I'm not a fan of depression. I'm curious what have people who don't think they were being indoctrinated been saying about the point that shepard ONLY breathes in the destroy choice? Whats the common counter to this point?

Uh, I don't remember SEEING any counter arguments that actually present evidence.  IT just makes so much sense that no one can come up with anything beyond, you're wrong because I say so. 

[jasonstigall]

I do not know if anyone has brought this up, but here is a quote from the Art of Mass Effect book (from the collectors edition) in refrence to TIM and the final battle " One of the plans on the drawing board wasa to have [TIM] turn into a Reaper creature for the final battle. Eventually, this plan was scrapped, since we wanted to give the players the satisfaction of fighting a character they know rather than a random creature..."  To me this reads as -- no silly, expected boss-battle, but rather a new twist on story telling in interactive entertainment.  What did we all do at the end? We fought what familar character? We fought our own mind, turned on us by Harby. The "character we know" was our own personal Shep.  IT must be real, and if so, greatest pseudo-ending ever.

[EpyonX3]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Shooter__Andy wrote...

Asari are aliens... Are you sure they even CAN be fat?

Hmmm. I have dismissed this claim of "supermodel species." They have to be somewhere! Show me dem fatties!

In a future where Genetic Alterations are possible, I'm sure obesity, outside of the Volus people, are non existent.

[Dwailing]

N7xELITE wrote...

[smilie]http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4679869898164736&id=669c1ada158cde64c179be216addcf28[/smilie] I found this on google 

Oh GAWD, what IS it!?