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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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Rifneno wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

I blame broshep. He's willing to sleep with anything that has two legs and a heartbeat.


<insert Kelly Chambers joke here>

<Kelly with no arms and two legs and a heartbeat.>

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njfluffy19 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Who here thinks they should bring out a expansion pack for mass effect 3 that includes a new ending and take back omega.


I believe they should release an expansion pack that allows you to have little blue children, little biotic babies, little krogan adoptees, etc, but I digress.

The SIMs: Mass Effect is probably not a good idea.

Same here little children running around the normandy  :D

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Rifneno wrote...

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This video attempts to show evidence that Shepard was on the Citadel.




And it fails. Miserably.


Agreed.  XFL levels of fail.  Etoys.com level of fail.  Just terribad.  "Oh look, there's some textures on the Citadel that don't look smooth.  I found them using flycam but I'm sure they're not copy and pastes.  Also, tubes.  Even though London is MADE OF ****ING REBAR."  Seriously, holy hell.  I thought it was significant finding some rebar a little bit into London because it took me 10 minutes to find any.  After that point, 182% of everything I saw was rebar.  I think even the husks had rebar.

And the IT opponents still accuse US of grasping at straws.  Hilarious.



Its more apt to say we are grasping at rebar. Posted Image

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njfluffy19 wrote...

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Asari are aliens... Are you sure they even CAN be fat?


Hmmm. I have dismissed this claim of "supermodel species." They have to be somewhere! Show me dem fatties!


If there is a fat Asari somewhere it would live in Texas back on Earth...

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khyvari wrote...

Here is a creepy thought. How many ardat yakshi were in that monastery? Hundreds? Didn't Samara say there were three? Anyway, like I said those are not potbellies, walking broodmothers?!


http://masseffect.wi...ki/Ardat-Yakshi
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Banshee

Up to 1% of the entire asari population has the correct gene mutation to potentially be Ardat-Yakshi. It was stated in-game that it's that mutation that allows the Reapers to turn them into Banshees. 1% of how many billions of asari captured, whether corpses to be reanimated or alive? That's a lot of screamers...

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benben84 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Shooter__Andy wrote...

Asari are aliens... Are you sure they even CAN be fat?


Hmmm. I have dismissed this claim of "supermodel species." They have to be somewhere! Show me dem fatties!


If there is a fat Asari somewhere it would live in Texas back on Earth...


/snaps fingers

Oh no he didn't!

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Didn't Saren have "rebar" coming out of the back of his head? Not very convincing evidence for anything really, but it is human nature to fixate.

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njfluffy19...you forgot the: /head moves sideways and snaps fingers

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khyvari wrote...

Didn't Saren have "rebar" coming out of the back of his head? Not very convincing evidence for anything really, but it is human nature to fixate.


Saren looked more like a skinny brute.

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I don't see any rebar...

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Wow, you guys need to relax for a minute, think about something else!

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:blink:

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lex0r11 wrote...

Wow, you guys need to relax for a minute, think about something else!
*img snip*
:blink:


Salmon.

WB lex :happy:

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I got pizza, sucka. One step ahead of you.

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Silasqtx wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Guys it's late here so I can't piece it together. I'm talking about the last dream, where Shepard sees that his.. "image" hugs Ventkid and they both burst up in flames.

Now, the question. If IT is true, what does that mean, we all already know: do not trust the ventkid, ever.

If it's not true then.. what does this dream mean?


@protognosis Okay, but assuming that IT is wrong, what's the meaning of this?



The image is a subconscious projection regardless of Indoctrination's validity.

It could mean she's losing her self, loss of hope, despair in her foolish attempt at saving Earth as its going to end in her "death!" Or it could be she is accepting of her death. The flames bind her to the Ventkid and separate her from herself.

I'd have to dive into my Freud, Bettleheim, and dream analysis books for more.

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BTW, off topic again, but who didn't know turians/krogan had bumcheeks till they saw brutes? Baby got back, as they say.

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njfluffy19 wrote...

I got pizza, sucka. One step ahead of you.


Uh, i don't think so!


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That's allot of screamers indeed. God, I hate those things!

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I watched the "Shepard was on Citadel" vid, was not convinced at all. I especially like how he thinks the entire center chamber ceiling structure is made from concrete. You don't have to be an engineer to even understand that thousands of tons of concrete hanging over your head is not structurally sound or even makes any sense given that the Citadel was engineered to last billions of years. Concrete will not last that long even in a temperature controlled perfect environment.

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 Posted Image

I was thinking before Sovereign "assumed control" as it were. 

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Would I like the ending to be the indoctrination theory with more story to come after shepard wakes up? Yes!

Do I think the indoctrination theory holds water? Yes!

Do I "actually" believe the indoctrination theory is what Bioware intended? Not a chance

Because:

1) Bioware has never been that clever in their story telling; its always been very straight forward character based story telling with very little interpretation. I honestly can't believe their writers had the skill to plant that many clues.

2) its caused them even more hassle and brand damage than any “clever” ending is worth.

3) all of their replies and responses since everything blew up has been counter to if the indoctrination theory is true. Their behaviour would have been different and less “damaging”. The artistic integrity card for example; which is used incorrectly and ignorantly by Bioware.

4) It would mean Bioware sold an incomplete game; even if the ending DLC was free there would be a huge proportion of people who could never experience the actual ending. So it doesnt make sense to do a trick ending to be resolved by DLC later.

However the final nail in the coffin of indoctrination theory will be PAX. The only way I believe it's true is if they show polished footage of the final ending clearly demonstrating in was indoctrination. That way we know they planned it all along as they wouldn't have had time to produce the content that quickly after the fact.  and by polished I mean actual in game cut-scenes with the original voice actors throughout, not just shepard.

This is why I don't believe indoctrination theory; I think indoctrination theorists just got lucky with how bioware chose to represent certain moments and choices of dialogue which allowed us to connect so many points making it appear genuine... Sometimes Chaos can have truely compelling and seemingly real patterns of logic which actually don't mean anything at all..

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I think those are tubes.

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benben84 wrote...

I watched the "Shepard was on Citadel" vid, was not convinced at all. I especially like how he thinks the entire center chamber ceiling structure is made from concrete. You don't have to be an engineer to even understand that thousands of tons of concrete hanging over your head is not structurally sound or even makes any sense given that the Citadel was engineered to last billions of years. Concrete will not last that long even in a temperature controlled perfect environment.


I know right! The most advanced structure in the galaxy lasting for millions of years, is made from cement and water? I don't think so.

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Bioware haven't been clever? In KOTOR, you discover your character is an evil Sith Lord. I mean, that's a pretty hefty twist.

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Something else I just thought of, a tad off topic but it's about the Citadel.. The keepers repair the Citadel constantly and the Counsel races do not know where they get their materials from. I sat and thought about this for awhile and remembered hearing about the protein vats. Now that intrigued me, wtf are protein vats needed for by the Keepers? Then it hit me...maybe the keepers are using the protein vats to continue to build material for the Citadel the same way the human reaper was being built!

Here's a clip from wiki about the vats:
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Wards
"Emily Wong, a reporter for the Citadel NewsNet, reports that Danaria Keris, a sanitation worker working in the ward, had failed to report when her shift ended. Her assignment was near the Keepers area of the ward, and the authorities fear she may have been transported to the protein vats for recycling. Later, Wong announces her body was found, and C-Sec suspects foul play."

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Why does Shepard suddenly have no armor during the final sequence?

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Dance Craze wrote...

Why does Shepard suddenly have no armor during the final sequence?


He/she does. It's burned up.