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[savagejuicebox]

lex0r11 wrote...

savagejuicebox wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

byne wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Not to derail the thread, but this whole all this is funny now. I never wanted to play Mass Effect because I always thought your only choice was to play as broshep. I didn't play it until my fiance bought it for me just last year after showing me a screenshot of the femshep character creation screen. Haha. I almost didn't play one of my favorite games of all-time simply because I thought you had to play as a dude. I kept telling him to get DA instead. I only like rpgs if you get a female character option.

Yeah, same here. I identify more with female characters than I do with male characters.

Although I am male, so that seems like it has unfortunate implications.

As Jennifer Hale put it, what would you rather stare at for hours on end?

I do play ManShep, but I understand the appeal.  I will finsh a FemShep playthrough at some point.  I must say, playing FemShep and romancing Liara does have a lot of appeal....

How can you resist Jennifer Hale's voice?

Im not really one for masculine women, and femshep definitely is masculine (the way she stands and i honestly dont like her voice that much.. dont kill me! ). I usually play through the games 3 times with specific mindsets; i play as myself, then full paragon, then full renagade and i usually do a couple new game plus for each one.

I don't know about that.

https://encrypted-tb...w62XCInhfHyDt6g

Im much more of an Eva fan, myself....

[balance5050]

The only way that I.T. would be done by accident is if they handed the last 10 minutes of the story to a drunk monkey. This monkey would would be blessed the kind of writing skill ever so subtle, by some ancient writing god.

I don't know how some of you felt when I finally got that "eureka" moment, but I was totally questioning why "EVERYTHING" made no sense and was wrong in comparison with the "ENTIRE" rest of the game. I don't mean to sound like a fanatical or anything, and I understand that some people just don't want to get burned again. I just want people to know that I felt what he was trying to convey with indoctrination theory, and I get why they don't wan't "the truth" to be revealed yet.

If I.T. is true I will follow what Casey Hudson, Patrick Weekes, and the entire Bioware team for the rest of my gaming career. If, and this is a BIG if, they don't confirm I.T. to some degree, I will consider the members of the team (who wrote the ending) to be the aforementioned metaphor.

Until I'm proven wrong, I fully believe I.T.. I realize I'm preaching to the choir, I don't want to be rude and go into an unrelated thread.

[Eshaye]

DuskRose wrote...

kingofkings276 wrote...

If the indoc theory is true then how come if your EMS is low the only option is to destroy the reapers? Shouldn't it make it so the only option is control or even synthesis?

IIRC, it's only destroy if you choo seto destroy the Collector base in ME2, Otherwise it's control.

I never knew this since I'm obssesed with getting the best ending all the time, I got my EMS to the 90 %'s.

balance5050 wrote...


If I.T. is true I will follow what Casey Hudson, Patrick Weekes, and the entire Bioware team for the rest of my gaming career. If, and this is a BIG if, they don't confirm I.T. to some degree, I will consider the members of the team (who wrote the ending) to be the aforementioned metaphor.

Even if it's proven to not be true and there's some sort of weak explanation instead I'l settle for following Drew K. around.. The original writer. I always wondered how his departure would affect the series...  *paranoid*

Modifié par Eshaye, 04 avril 2012 - 12:38 .

[lex0r11]

savagejuicebox wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I don't know about that.

https://encrypted-tb...w62XCInhfHyDt6g

Im much more of an Eva fan, myself....

I think i understand where your coming from.

[njfluffy19]

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

monrapias wrote...

byne wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

byne wrote...

FemShep/Liara is the best romance in the game imo.

And not because of the 'Ooh! Lesbians!' factor, I just like both voice actors, and think they go really well together

Blasphemy. Garrus, Garrus, Garrus!

Garrus is second best, but he can never beat Liara.

Speaking of Garrus, on my playthrough where I romanced him, after the romance scene before the Cerberus Base attack I got a message from Garrus on the Datapad app saying something along the lines of: "Its late. Just got up for some water. You're still asleep. Wanted to say how beautiful I think you are. Love Garrus"

Made me feel all warm and fuzzy

Spoiler

It's a joke

Hadnt you heard? Everyone is gay for Garrus. Its a ScienceFact™.

It's called Guylove, nothing gay about it.

Dwailing wrote...

BTW, was going to say this earlier but forgot. Hi Lex0r11.

Uh, hai there!

Wrong! It says "Love G." Cuz he;s a g.

[byne]

RussianSpy27 wrote...

Byne, assuming our hope pays off and IT proves to be true, what, in your opinion, is the reason BioWare has behaved this way with the ending. Notably:

(1) Didn't release it in game (my opinion = deadlines from EA interfered)

(2) Is responding in this defensively pseudo apologetic way to the fans - i.e. instead of just saying "trust us more is coming" they go on about how well the game was received and that ardent fans may have gotten off hand? (to keep the surprise alive?)

(3) Finally, is this behavior in any way more profitable for them than say another behavior such as admitting to IT given all the negative feedback on their product? Thanks.

As for #1, I'd say I probly agree with your opinion

As for #2, I figure they probably want to say more, but figure it'd take away from the impact the PAX announcement will have.

And I dont really know the inner workings of their business, so I cant really say if its more profitable or not. I'd assume not, but that they originally decided they'd make an announcement at PAX, and have stuck to that despite the negative feedback, which they probably didnt anticipate.

[savagejuicebox]

Modifié par savagejuicebox, 04 avril 2012 - 12:40 .

[Big G13]

lex0r11 wrote...

savagejuicebox wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I don't know about that.

https://encrypted-tb...w62XCInhfHyDt6g

Im much more of an Eva fan, myself....

I think i understand where your coming from.

Very nice zipper fail.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RussianSpy27 wrote...

Byne, assuming our hope pays off and IT proves to be true, what, in your opinion, is the reason BioWare has behaved this way with the ending. Notably:

(1) Didn't release it in game (my opinion = deadlines from EA interfered)

(2) Is responding in this defensively pseudo apologetic way to the fans - i.e. instead of just saying "trust us more is coming" they go on about how well the game was received and that ardent fans may have gotten off hand? (to keep the surprise alive?)

(3) Finally, is this behavior in any way more profitable for them than say another behavior such as admitting to IT given all the negative feedback on their product? Thanks.

Ill take a shot at those:

1: Easy enough, if Shepard simply woke　immedaitely following that last scene and was all like "that was a dream?" adn you then kick some Reaper ass then what impact would the entire twist have? What would the point of it be? By delaying the ending Bioware intentionally left us in the dark as to wether the ending was to be taken at face value creating everything we have seen from there, including this thread.

2: See number 1. Saying something like "more is coming" would give away everything. No, by keeping things vague, they keep everything possible and eevryone guessing. They preserve the suprise as you also mentioned.

3: Right now Bioware is getting alot of attention (even if negative) even in media that would not normally cover a story like that. However all of that neagtive attention can be turned positive (or alot of it can) by the IT and release of free DLC finishing the story. Why they havent said anything can be atributed to PAX. If they truly have set aside a panel there for discussing the ending then giving away the twist before that would just be anti climatic.

[Golferguy758]

I just want to believe, but it's scary to think that we'll know in 3 days. If it's not IT, or something that could actually make logic and reason out of the endings. *shudder* I just want to play a little more on earth and have my conclusive end.

Also, image, very relevant

http://t3.gstatic.co...oRiFUSij0TAzuEw

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Golferguy758 wrote...

I just want to believe, but it's scary to think that we'll know in 3 days. If it's not IT, or something that could actually make logic and reason out of the endings. *shudder* I just want to play a little more on earth and have my conclusive end.

Also, image, very relevant

http://t3.gstatic.co...oRiFUSij0TAzuEw

Epic

Make sure to update those.

PS Majoras Mask is one of my favorite games of all time

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

I just want to believe, but it's scary to think that we'll know in 3 days. If it's not IT, or something that could actually make logic and reason out of the endings. *shudder* I just want to play a little more on earth and have my conclusive end.

Also, image, very relevant

http://t3.gstatic.co...oRiFUSij0TAzuEw

Epic

Make sure to update those.

PS Majoras Mask is one of my favorite games of all time

We'd be better off thinking ME3 ends like this

 

[lex0r11]

Golferguy758 wrote...

I just want to believe, but it's scary to think that we'll know in 3 days. If it's not IT, or something that could actually make logic and reason out of the endings. *shudder* I just want to play a little more on earth and have my conclusive end.

Also, image, very relevant

http://t3.gstatic.co...oRiFUSij0TAzuEw

Wait, wasn't that from Majora's Mask? I loved that game..

[pfellahX]

RussianSpy27 wrote...

Byne, assuming our hope pays off and IT proves to be true, what, in your opinion, is the reason BioWare has behaved this way with the ending. Notably:

(1) Didn't release it in game (my opinion = deadlines from EA interfered)

If true, I would wonder if it has something to do with the phrase "we want everyone to have time to experience the game" and the "take Earth back" marketing. Maybe they wanted to hold the ending to get as many gamers as possible across different geographies to a holding point where they were all waiting to experience the ending at (relatively) the same time. And then they release it and we all "Take Earth Back" together.

RussianSpy27 wrote...
(2) Is responding in this defensively pseudo apologetic way to the fans - i.e. instead of just saying "trust us more is coming" they go on about how well the game was received and that ardent fans may have gotten off hand? (to keep the surprise alive?)

 

In fairness, they've been doing both. Early on, Bioware people were making leading statements about "hold onto your saved games" and as we roll into PAX, they've gone back to "wait and see, we have announcements this month"... it's really only the middle part where they've been in a defensive posture. And that could be that the backlash was worse than they expected, and it took them time to sort out message control in the face of the higher-than-anticipated hostility toward the ending.

RussianSpy27 wrote... 
(3) Finally, is this behavior in any way more profitable for them than say another behavior such as admitting to IT given all the negative feedback on their product? Thanks.

 

That's the biggest hole in the theory, to me. They had the final installment of a flagship franchise. It was going to sell just fine, so I don't see what the business motive would be to screw around with some viral marketing event. 

[yarpenthemad21]

 great game, really really great. for the first time i saw that choices does matter, that you can screw something or with good wise decicions get some nice conclusion. nice to see wrex, alive eve and hear that you can just screw this by some other decisions in me2 or me1. the same with gets and quarians.
and than we have an ending. and big wtf in the end.

im fan of IT. yeah, most of hints are maybe bad writing. but some of them are not just random script issue or something. whats the point of adding brenches in "after beam" scene. it was added, not just undeleted. the same with bleeding scene after tim death.
now the starchild. strange voice mixed from 3 voices. hard to make, adiditinal work for no reason. shepard behaves like a zombie. child say "destroy all relays" shepard nothing. he dont even ask this kid about it. why? from shepard knowledge this mean wipe of everything. in this situtation question about this is just "must have". if anser is "yes it wipe all" shepard should just go back on earth and fight conventionally...its better choice

scene with normandy. its strange, but not because your crew just teleported to the normandy. it can be just some lazy scripting.
my main concern is about their happines. you died, and your crew, joker, LI just are happy.
or this is a shepard imagination making happy "crew" or i dont know. the worst story telling in uniwerse cant even handle it.

than the rubble scene.  i would expect the spanich inquisition more than some breathing shepard in some stone rubble. its not citadel, because it just explode and its not made from stone...so what type of space magic it is?

first impresion is just WTF, something is not right. why only one ending with maxed ems cause this breath scene to happen. why in 2 other ending you look like a husk before death. how shepard can control reapears when he is just dead and changed to some ash.
and this boy with grandpa. what other story of shepard?


after view a lot of videos, anylize a lot of threads and post, IT hit , bioware ppl twitts and all other things i can say that for know bioware have 2 choices 

1. just not hear fans and make some basic dlc as always. some multi things, some new outfits, some before end game dlc like omega attack or something. but who buy it? i see no reason in making some before ending quest for no conclusion in the end and maybe some war assets. i have almost 8k of them...
in the end they probably sell nothing, fans get pissed off. its not good idea if you want money from them.
2. fixed, expand,  tell that it is IT, whatever ending. make it conclusion. make it good. and than make all those other dlcs.
in this case fans may be not so pissed, and they in the end sell probably more.
3. ending is real, they try to fill the plot holes. hard to make. really. and still playing pre-ending dlc is just pointless. whats the reason e.g in asault on omege when we all knows that this dont have impact, make no sense, and probably is just wiped out after some relay explosion.

i assume that bioware will make a lot of dlcs to this game. they made 3 bigger in me2, 3  bigger in da2 etc. also additional squadmates, a lot of weapons, costumes, minor packs with side quests etc. me3 have in game dlc tools, origin also, game check avability of new content all the time. so they must have dlcs in plans. or they are just very strange.

Modifié par yarpenthemad21, 04 avril 2012 - 01:00 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

pfellahX wrote...

RussianSpy27 wrote...

Byne, assuming our hope pays off and IT proves to be true, what, in your opinion, is the reason BioWare has behaved this way with the ending. Notably:

(1) Didn't release it in game (my opinion = deadlines from EA interfered)

If true, I would wonder if it has something to do with the phrase "we want everyone to have time to experience the game" and the "take Earth back" marketing. Maybe they wanted to hold the ending to get as many gamers as possible across different geographies to a holding point where they were all waiting to experience the ending at (relatively) the same time. And then they release it and we all "Take Earth Back" together.

RussianSpy27 wrote...
(2) Is responding in this defensively pseudo apologetic way to the fans - i.e. instead of just saying "trust us more is coming" they go on about how well the game was received and that ardent fans may have gotten off hand? (to keep the surprise alive?)

 

In fairness, they've been doing both. Early on, Bioware people were making leading statements about "hold onto your saved games" and as we roll into PAX, they've gone back to "wait and see, we have announcements this month"... it's really only the middle part where they've been in a defensive posture. And that could be that the backlash was worse than they expected, and it took them time to sort out message control in the face of the higher-than-anticipated hostility toward the ending.

RussianSpy27 wrote... 
(3) Finally, is this behavior in any way more profitable for them than say another behavior such as admitting to IT given all the negative feedback on their product? Thanks.

 

That's the biggest hole in the theory, to me. They had the final installment of a flagship franchise. It was going to sell just fine, so I don't see what the business motive would be to screw around with some viral marketing event. 

3. = equals EA's hand in all of this

[lex0r11]

Big G13 wrote...

Very nice zipper fail.

Oh, i don't  think it was a fail on her part.

Modifié par lex0r11, 04 avril 2012 - 12:59 .

[Jadebaby]

byne wrote...

RussianSpy27 wrote...

Byne, assuming our hope pays off and IT proves to be true, what, in your opinion, is the reason BioWare has behaved this way with the ending. Notably:

(1) Didn't release it in game (my opinion = deadlines from EA interfered)

(2) Is responding in this defensively pseudo apologetic way to the fans - i.e. instead of just saying "trust us more is coming" they go on about how well the game was received and that ardent fans may have gotten off hand? (to keep the surprise alive?)

(3) Finally, is this behavior in any way more profitable for them than say another behavior such as admitting to IT given all the negative feedback on their product? Thanks.

As for #1, I'd say I probly agree with your opinion

As for #2, I figure they probably want to say more, but figure it'd take away from the impact the PAX announcement will have.

And I dont really know the inner workings of their business, so I cant really say if its more profitable or not. I'd assume not, but that they originally decided they'd make an announcement at PAX, and have stuck to that despite the negative feedback, which they probably didnt anticipate.

I think it's also worth mentioning that for the "indoctrination" to be truely successful they would need to get as many people as possible to finish the game before releasing the surprise, although I do agree with ur 1st point. I think they weighed up their options and for it to have it's true effect they left it out.

Plus, if their pre-release comments are true and the endings (with IT) are really that diverse, if they were short on time they wouldn't want to rush it being that complex.

Anyone else really sick of seeing this everywhere? --->

[Jadebaby]

yarpenthemad21 wrote...

snip*

You make some really good points, did you just finish it recently?

[Golferguy758]

lex0r11 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

I just want to believe, but it's scary to think that we'll know in 3 days. If it's not IT, or something that could actually make logic and reason out of the endings. *shudder* I just want to play a little more on earth and have my conclusive end.

Also, image, very relevant

http://t3.gstatic.co...oRiFUSij0TAzuEw

Wait, wasn't that from Majora's Mask? I loved that game..

Yup!

And I'll definitely keep this updated =P

[lex0r11]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I think it's also worth mentioning that for the "indoctrination" to be truely successful they would need to get as many people as possible to finish the game before releasing the surprise, although I do agree with ur 1st point. I think they weighed up their options and for it to have it's true effect they left it out.

Plus, if their pre-release comments are true and the endings (with IT) are really that diverse, if they were short on time they wouldn't want to rush it being that complex.

Anyone else really sick of seeing this everywhere? --->

How about good old Sandal?

[Big G13]

lex0r11 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Very nice zipper fail.

Oh, i don't  think it was a fail on her part.

Intentional tactical distraction???

[lex0r11]

Golferguy758 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

I just want to believe, but it's scary to think that we'll know in 3 days. If it's not IT, or something that could actually make logic and reason out of the endings. *shudder* I just want to play a little more on earth and have my conclusive end.

Also, image, very relevant

http://t3.gstatic.co...oRiFUSij0TAzuEw

Wait, wasn't that from Majora's Mask? I loved that game..

Yup!

And I'll definitely keep this updated =P

You Sir or Madam are awesome.

*salute*

[Fhaarkas]

What if... when Shepard woke up he saw the Reapers leaving?