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[Golferguy758]

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[lex0r11]

Fhaarkas wrote...

What if... when Shepard woke up he saw the Reapers leaving?

You mean it was still a dream world BUT he really was choosing a solution and then waking up to see his results in real life. So he was playing a videogame in his head to affect the real world. Hm.

My head.

[jds1bio]

I don't think the Catalyst is part of the Indoctrination. I think once the TIM is offed, the Reapers' big chance sails by them.

So...once Anderson closes his eyes for the last time, that's when Shepard loses consciousness (for real, as Anderson represents Shepard under the indoctrination), and the nightmare takes over, beginning with Shepard looking at the wound.

Everything after that is Shepard bringing all his/her worst fears to the forefront - being shot, aligning with Saren (synthesis), TIM (control), and the Reapers (Destroy, becoming genocide-capable like the Reapers). Not being able to tell the Catalyst to go spit is symbolic of Shepard's fear of losing his/her humanity.

The fear begins to materialize as Shep's nightmare forces him/her to make the decision, then imagine the consequences. At the end, he hopes that there is a world left to live on, and that his squadmates survive. The End (bad place to end the story, IMO)

So, the Catalyst is like the spoon in the Matrix. There is no spoon. There is no Catalyst.

Now, you have low EMS going into the Catalyst sequence, he's not going to tell you to wake up. Why? His telling you to wake up is actually Shepard trying to tell him/herself to wake up. If you have Low EMS you're considered too weak, which is why you don't get control/synthesis options, you're too weak to face ALL your fears.

If you have the highest EMS level, congratulations - you can actually choose a dialogue option to say something to the Catalyst in the nightmare, and you get a glimpse of Shepard perhaps waking up from the nightmare, breathing in such a way that you would wake up from a nightmare.

Modifié par jds1bio, 04 avril 2012 - 01:13 .

[Emperor_Ike]

lex0r11 wrote...

Fhaarkas wrote...

What if... when Shepard woke up he saw the Reapers leaving?

You mean it was still a dream world BUT he really was choosing a solution and then waking up to see his results in real life. So he was playing a videogame in his head to affect the real world. Hm.

My head.

There there, man. I don't think even EA would allow something like internal videogames to have 'real' world consequences... But, of course, it's EA. 

[Jadebaby]

lex0r11 wrote...

How about good old Sandal?

Hahaha!! And it's Lex0r again! Wow, anyone would think you just have all these waiting in minimized windows ready to go!

Anderson: "How to we activate the crucible Sandal!?"
Sandal: "Not enchaantment."

[Golferguy758]

Also, this has most likely been brought up before when it comes to plotholes/lies the RGC tells.

he says that the created will always rebel and destroy the creator, yes?
He also states he controls the reapers, yes?
Therefore: The Reapers stand to rebel and destroy him, but after so many millions of years they haven't? I sense...LIES, and the throne that he built to sit on them.

Of course I may be remembering his quote wrong

[Leonia]

So last night I was thinking (heh, I always think about ME before bed since finishing the game) about that confounding Normandy sequence.

What if.. Shepard is actually on the Normandy at that point and we are made to believe it's a "hopeful" dream sequence but really it's just a tease? Yeah, I know, Shepard wakes up in the rubble in the breath scene.. but what if seconds after the squad and the Normandy come to her rescue. Something about the Conduit prevents the suicidal charge and Shepard experiences all that in her head (from the charge onwards) and is really knocked out before that point. The Normandy comes down (off-screen of course) while the squad recovers from some attack and pulls Shepard out of the rubble. Joker's rationale is that they can't go on foot and they will use the Normandy to get on the Citadel but the Reaper defense is too strong and there isn't enough time so the Normandy is forced to fly through the Conduit in a last ditch effort to evade the attacking force and hope they end up some where on the Citadel that's big enough for the Normandy (which isn't unreasonable). But the Conduit doesn't go to the Citadel, like the one on Ilos it is a relay that connects to something far away.. a strange planet. So while Shepard fights her battles in her head, she's recovering in the Normandy's med bay while the rest of the squad is trying to figure out how to repair the Normandy, trying to determine where they are, and figuring out how to get back to the fight.

Or maybe I just dreamt it all.

[Golferguy758]

leonia42 wrote...

So last night I was thinking (heh, I always think about ME before bed since finishing the game) about that confounding Normandy sequence.

What if.. Shepard is actually on the Normandy at that point and we are made to believe it's a "hopeful" dream sequence but really it's just a tease? Yeah, I know, Shepard wakes up in the rubble in the breath scene.. but what if seconds after the squad and the Normandy come to her rescue. Something about the Conduit prevents the suicidal charge and Shepard experiences all that in her head (from the charge onwards) and is really knocked out before that point. The Normandy comes down (off-screen of course) while the squad recovers from some attack and pulls Shepard out of the rubble. Joker's rationale is that they can't go on foot and they will use the Normandy to get on the Citadel but the Reaper defense is too strong and there isn't enough time so the Normandy is forced to fly through the Conduit in a last ditch effort to evade the attacking force and hope they end up some where on the Citadel that's big enough for the Normandy (which isn't unreasonable). But the Conduit doesn't go to the Citadel, like the one on Ilos it is a relay that connects to something far away.. a strange planet. So while Shepard fights her battles in her head, she's recovering in the Normandy's med bay while the rest of the squad is trying to figure out how to repair the Normandy, trying to determine where they are, and figuring out how to get back to the fight.

Or maybe I just dreamt it all.

problem: They are smiling, not in a state of wondering where the hell they are.

[Jadebaby]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Also, this has most likely been brought up before when it comes to plotholes/lies the RGC tells.

he says that the created will always rebel and destroy the creator, yes?
He also states he controls the reapers, yes?
Therefore: The Reapers stand to rebel and destroy him, but after so many millions of years they haven't? I sense...LIES, and the throne that he built to sit on them.

Of course I may be remembering his quote wrong

Although you're right and he says 'they are my solution" he can't be all that knowing and powerful if he couldn't even over-ride a bloody signal the Protheans sent out to activate... er... himself... the citadel.
Personally I think it's like that Volus pretending to be 'Fade' lol.

[Fhaarkas]

lex0r11 wrote...

You mean it was still a dream world BUT he really was choosing a solution and then waking up to see his results in real life. So he was playing a videogame in his head to affect the real world. Hm.

My head.

I wonder if The Catalyst turns out to have some kind of ability to enter somebody's mind (a la Inception). He created the Reapers after all. 
[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

What I can't place is what the hell The Crucible is. Some sort of key maybe?



somewhat off-topic -  anybody else been getting that 'Matrix' vibe?

[lex0r11]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Also, this has most likely been brought up before when it comes to plotholes/lies the RGC tells.

he says that the created will always rebel and destroy the creator, yes?
He also states he controls the reapers, yes?
Therefore: The Reapers stand to rebel and destroy him, but after so many millions of years they haven't? I sense...LIES, and the throne that he built to sit on them.

Of course I may be remembering his quote wrong

Madre de dios!
Se logic holes, ser are too many.

But the quote is right.

[TheConstantOne]

leonia42 wrote...

So last night I was thinking (heh, I always think about ME before bed since finishing the game) about that confounding Normandy sequence.

What if.. Shepard is actually on the Normandy at that point and we are made to believe it's a "hopeful" dream sequence but really it's just a tease? Yeah, I know, Shepard wakes up in the rubble in the breath scene.. but what if seconds after the squad and the Normandy come to her rescue. Something about the Conduit prevents the suicidal charge and Shepard experiences all that in her head (from the charge onwards) and is really knocked out before that point. The Normandy comes down (off-screen of course) while the squad recovers from some attack and pulls Shepard out of the rubble. Joker's rationale is that they can't go on foot and they will use the Normandy to get on the Citadel but the Reaper defense is too strong and there isn't enough time so the Normandy is forced to fly through the Conduit in a last ditch effort to evade the attacking force and hope they end up some where on the Citadel that's big enough for the Normandy (which isn't unreasonable). But the Conduit doesn't go to the Citadel, like the one on Ilos it is a relay that connects to something far away.. a strange planet. So while Shepard fights her battles in her head, she's recovering in the Normandy's med bay while the rest of the squad is trying to figure out how to repair the Normandy, trying to determine where they are, and figuring out how to get back to the fight.

Or maybe I just dreamt it all.

This makes a lot more sense than the Normandy just flying off randomly into space and crash landing on a hidden paradise planet.

Personally, if Bioware chooses not add some kind of ending expansion/clarification (a worst case scenario, to be sure) I'm just going to assume that this was Shep's final dream moment.  The scene doesn't seem completely random that way

[Leonia]

Golferguy758 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

So last night I was thinking (heh, I always think about ME before bed since finishing the game) about that confounding Normandy sequence.

What if.. Shepard is actually on the Normandy at that point and we are made to believe it's a "hopeful" dream sequence but really it's just a tease? Yeah, I know, Shepard wakes up in the rubble in the breath scene.. but what if seconds after the squad and the Normandy come to her rescue. Something about the Conduit prevents the suicidal charge and Shepard experiences all that in her head (from the charge onwards) and is really knocked out before that point. The Normandy comes down (off-screen of course) while the squad recovers from some attack and pulls Shepard out of the rubble. Joker's rationale is that they can't go on foot and they will use the Normandy to get on the Citadel but the Reaper defense is too strong and there isn't enough time so the Normandy is forced to fly through the Conduit in a last ditch effort to evade the attacking force and hope they end up some where on the Citadel that's big enough for the Normandy (which isn't unreasonable). But the Conduit doesn't go to the Citadel, like the one on Ilos it is a relay that connects to something far away.. a strange planet. So while Shepard fights her battles in her head, she's recovering in the Normandy's med bay while the rest of the squad is trying to figure out how to repair the Normandy, trying to determine where they are, and figuring out how to get back to the fight.

Or maybe I just dreamt it all.

problem: They are smiling, not in a state of wondering where the hell they are.

You wouldn't smile a bit after surviving a crash landing? I admit., that IS weird but only Joker seems to really be enjoying himself and that ties in with the throwing us off bit.

Anyway I can't rationalise with science as to where else the Normandy would have gone unless the Conduit sent them elsewhere. They can't get to Alpha Centauri (the closest system) and they're definitely not on Earth. And the sequence doesn't have the usual tell-tale signs of being a dream so.. what's going on? My only OTHER theory is they went through time somehow but let's hope that isn't it.

Modifié par leonia42, 04 avril 2012 - 01:24 .

[yarpenthemad21]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

yarpenthemad21 wrote...

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You make some really good points, did you just finish it recently?

beat game second time with different LI (liara), kaidan alive,  and as vanguard shepard. maxed ems, whole game maxed, all quests, dialogs etc.
mainly looking for some hints. boy at the begining for me is just a ghost. closed door opening, anderson doesnt hear him, than soldiers also doesnt notice it. 
for me this kid is only when shepard look at him from his room before james come in.
this is very strange. because its just the begining. its demo even plot. games always have polished beginings. so why this looks so strange, why this kid is so strange, why nobody notices him? we can have some plot holes in one of several quest lines. but here? this part is straighforward, probably tested bilion times, this part was in demo. screw something like this and make some plot holes here? and then make all those great rannoch and tuchanka plots? how can it be

[lex0r11]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hahaha!! And it's Lex0r again! Wow, anyone would think you just have all these waiting in minimized windows ready to go!

Anderson: "How to we activate the crucible Sandal!?"
Sandal: "Not enchaantment."

Please, i have it all here on my datapad.
I had EDI hack Joker's extranet account. He had quite the collection.

[RussianSpy27]

Thanks for the replies everyone! 3 More days of Hope!

[TheConstantOne]

I've noticed something strange that happens when the Citadel is taken to Earth. If the Reapers were actually afraid of the Crucible, they could have used the Citadel to lock the mass relays like Sovereign did in the first game. The fact that the Reapers just moved the station when the Illusive Man warns them implies one of threee things:

1) Plot oversight (even Bioware isn't infallible)
2) Arrogance on the part of the Reapers and they want to annihilate the galaxy's greatest force and thus force a confrontation
3) The Crucible is not what we think it it is

Any of these are possibilities. I was hoping someone else noticed this

[lex0r11]

TheConstantOne wrote...

I've noticed something strange that happens when the Citadel is taken to Earth. If the Reapers were actually afraid of the Crucible, they could have used the Citadel to lock the mass relays like Sovereign did in the first game. The fact that the Reapers just moved the station when the Illusive Man warns them implies one of threee things:

1) Plot oversight (even Bioware isn't infallible)
2) Arrogance on the part of the Reapers and they want to annihilate the galaxy's greatest force and thus force a confrontation
3) The Crucible is not what we think it it is

Any of these are possibilities. I was hoping someone else noticed this

Don't worry, i had question marks on my face the whole time we learn about them moving the crucible and just waiting. If an explanation is left out, it will come at a later time. If it is not intended to be explained, then Ventchild help us all

[Dwailing]

lex0r11 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hahaha!! And it's Lex0r again! Wow, anyone would think you just have all these waiting in minimized windows ready to go!

Anderson: "How to we activate the crucible Sandal!?"
Sandal: "Not enchaantment."

Please, i have it all here on my datapad.
I had EDI hack Joker's extranet account. He had quite the collection.

That was a joke. 

[n00bsauce2010]

Are people actually considering that the phony child in the start of the game is real? And that Shepard fell down to earth after two explosions as well as with a lack of shields and armor? IDT or not.. are we actually seriously considering that?

[Emperor_Ike]

Dwailing wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hahaha!! And it's Lex0r again! Wow, anyone would think you just have all these waiting in minimized windows ready to go!

Anderson: "How to we activate the crucible Sandal!?"
Sandal: "Not enchaantment."

Please, i have it all here on my datapad.
I had EDI hack Joker's extranet account. He had quite the collection.

That was a joke. 

...Are you certain?

[Fhaarkas]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

There there, man. I don't think even EA would allow something like internal videogames to have 'real' world consequences... But, of course, it's EA. 

Why not? It's been done in films before.

[Dwailing]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hahaha!! And it's Lex0r again! Wow, anyone would think you just have all these waiting in minimized windows ready to go!

Anderson: "How to we activate the crucible Sandal!?"
Sandal: "Not enchaantment."

Please, i have it all here on my datapad.
I had EDI hack Joker's extranet account. He had quite the collection.

That was a joke. 

...Are you certain?

I WAS certain before you said that.  Thanks a lot. 

[Emperor_Ike]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Are people actually considering that the phony child in the start of the game is real? And that Shepard fell down to earth after two explosions as well as with a lack of shields and armor? IDT or not.. are we actually seriously considering that?

Nobody is saying that.

...Nobody but Jayne is saying that.



The kid has to be real at least the first time you see him. After that, doubtful, but an idea as specific as a kid playing on a roof with a model ship couldn't just be planted in Shep's head without him knowing something is up. I hope.
And falling through the atmosphere wearing just what was left after Harby's blast, well, that's just silly. And nevermind all the crap floating around the planet. The codex mentions kinetic barriers being required to pass through all of it, it's so thick.

Modifié par Emperor_Ike, 04 avril 2012 - 01:42 .

[Jadebaby]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hahaha!! And it's Lex0r again! Wow, anyone would think you just have all these waiting in minimized windows ready to go!

Anderson: "How to we activate the crucible Sandal!?"
Sandal: "Not enchaantment."

Please, i have it all here on my datapad.
I had EDI hack Joker's extranet account. He had quite the collection.

That was a joke. 

...Are you certain?

I think we were both joking...