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[Spiderman_2028]

Also, while I'm stuck on a bus after a crappy day at work...

Anyone notice how Garrus and Miranda do almost a complete 180 the last time you get to talk to them?

When you talk to Miranda in the Spectre Offices via vid link...

Shep: "...Be Careful"
Miranda: "I can't promise that Shepard. could you?"
Shep: "I guess not" (or something similar)

Then in the final convo via vid-link on Earth, Miranda tells SHEP to be careful. Odd.

And Garrus? On Tuchanka, he's not convinced you can get to the tower. On the Citadel, shooting cans- that's like his last-hurrah, in case he never gets the chance to do it- seemed to me he didn't think he, or you, would survive the war. He has a slightly defeatist attitude the whole game.

Then, at the end, he's talking to another Turian, almost declaring that they were going to WIN... he decides you are "about to kick the Reapers back into whatever black hole they crawled out of", and then retire to a beach, etc and so on.

Whether its associated to IT or not? Nah. Just struck me as weird, that both characters seem to flip completely to an opposite perspective to what they had up to that point... Without any real reason as to why.

Could lend credence to the bad writing argument. Could be nothing. Could be a hint of something being up earlier than we've previously considered.... YOU decide. I'm sleepy. Lol

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

Also, while I'm stuck on a bus after a crappy day at work...

Anyone notice how Garrus and Miranda do almost a complete 180 the last time you get to talk to them?

When you talk to Miranda in the Spectre Offices via vid link...

Shep: "...Be Careful"
Miranda: "I can't promise that Shepard. could you?"
Shep: "I guess not" (or something similar)

Then in the final convo via vid-link on Earth, Miranda tells SHEP to be careful. Odd.

And Garrus? On Tuchanka, he's not convinced you can get to the tower. On the Citadel, shooting cans- that's like his last-hurrah, in case he never gets the chance to do it- seemed to me he didn't think he, or you, would survive the war. He has a slightly defeatist attitude the whole game.

Then, at the end, he's talking to another Turian, almost declaring that they were going to WIN... he decides you are "about to kick the Reapers back into whatever black hole they crawled out of", and then retire to a beach, etc and so on.

Whether its associated to IT or not? Nah. Just struck me as weird, that both characters seem to flip completely to an opposite perspective to what they had up to that point... Without any real reason as to why.

Could lend credence to the bad writing argument. Could be nothing. Could be a hint of something being up earlier than we've previously considered.... YOU decide. I'm sleepy. Lol

I wouldnt out to much into those two.

The Miranda one, "Be careful" is a generic phrase used even if you know the person probably wont be able to to adhere to it.

As for Garrus he has several moments where he is less confident than normal throughout the game, but given the gravity of things I dont consider that suprising. But by the end you have done the impossible and gathered an armada forged from just about every intelligent species out there (at least if you did not **** things up completely) and it is the final battle. Off course he will be more fired upthere and besides, wouldnt look good if Garrus was demoralized in front of the troops.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 04 avril 2012 - 07:46 .

[ubermensch007]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

You'd also have to wonder how Shep could control ANYTHING when he is a puddle of ash. Because, you know, he completely gets dissolved. The starchild was talking about how he would become something else, but...

well. No matter what happens, Destroy will ALWAYS be the only ending I'll choose. Because Control is so fishy, and Synthesis makes absolutely no sense.

Word... On my second playthrough I chose 'Destroy' I didn't know anything about IT at the time.I just chose it because it was my Jack Love Interest game; and my desire to see her once again, be with her once again and live.Was greater than my desire to make a noble sacrifice.And even if the geth as well as EDI had to be sacrificed.Nothing was going to keep me from Jack ever again.

That may be selfish.That may be wrong.But I won't apologize for it.She's my favorite L.I. in ME2 & 3.And i could totally see Commander Shepard who lost his family on Mindoir.Lost a good portion of his crew, during the Collector Attack of 2183.Deciding that enough is enough.

This Shepard reiterates what he said, when the Normandy SR2 crash landed on the Collector Base.I'll do whatever it takes to defeat the Reapers, but I plan on living to tell about it.

[ubermensch007]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

Also, while I'm stuck on a bus after a crappy day at work...

Anyone notice how Garrus and Miranda do almost a complete 180 the last time you get to talk to them?

When you talk to Miranda in the Spectre Offices via vid link...

Shep: "...Be Careful"
Miranda: "I can't promise that Shepard. could you?"
Shep: "I guess not" (or something similar)

Then in the final convo via vid-link on Earth, Miranda tells SHEP to be careful. Odd.

And Garrus? On Tuchanka, he's not convinced you can get to the tower. On the Citadel, shooting cans- that's like his last-hurrah, in case he never gets the chance to do it- seemed to me he didn't think he, or you, would survive the war. He has a slightly defeatist attitude the whole game.

Then, at the end, he's talking to another Turian, almost declaring that they were going to WIN... he decides you are "about to kick the Reapers back into whatever black hole they crawled out of", and then retire to a beach, etc and so on.

Whether its associated to IT or not? Nah. Just struck me as weird, that both characters seem to flip completely to an opposite perspective to what they had up to that point... Without any real reason as to why.

Could lend credence to the bad writing argument. Could be nothing. Could be a hint of something being up earlier than we've previously considered.... YOU decide. I'm sleepy. Lol

I wouldnt out to much into those two.

The Miranda one, "Be careful" is a generic phrase used even if you know the person probably wont be able to to adhere to it.

As for Garrus he has several moments where he is less confident than normal throughout the game, but given the gravity of things I dont consider that suprising. But by the end you have done the impossible and gathered an armada forged from just about every intelligent species out there (at least if you did not **** things up completely) and it is the final battle. Off course he will be more fired upthere and besides, wouldnt look good if Garrus was demoralized in front of the troops.

@The two of you:

Well Garrus sort of reverts back to his Mass Effect 1 self in ME3. if you've played the first game, you might recall how much self-doubt he was full of.I think seeing how vast a force Commander Shepard brought together to take the fight to the Reapers, boilstered his confidence.

As for Miranda.Even she acknowledges that she got in over her head at Sanctuary.That was a humbling expeirence for her that she took to heart.So that's why I see her saying to Shep "Be careful." As personal growth on her part and not a 180.

[Tiax Rules All]

mayrabgood wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

manjikengo wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

If anyone has not seen


http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s


mind = blow

THIS, HOLY ****!

Didn't they also say the endings wouldn't be like LOST/A,B,C and yet what do the current endings look like.

The current endings look like that....the real ending is still yet to come....hopefully.

That video...wow!

dayummmm this needs its own thread, like a week ago

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Push, because I'm bored and want to talk about something.

[Big G13]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Push, because I'm bored and want to talk about something.

I had an off topic question maybe you can answer. Is the 15yr old girl that the suicidal Asari in the hospital is talking about, Joker's sister?

[JustAidan]

Just in case it hadn't been already mentioned. (Sorry thread is too long for me to go through)

Another thread details other times in the past where bioware have been tricky with their players' perceptions.

http://social.biowar...10973597-1.html

[legaldinho]

ubermensch007 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

Also, while I'm stuck on a bus after a crappy day at work...

Anyone notice how Garrus and Miranda do almost a complete 180 the last time you get to talk to them?

When you talk to Miranda in the Spectre Offices via vid link...

Shep: "...Be Careful"
Miranda: "I can't promise that Shepard. could you?"
Shep: "I guess not" (or something similar)

Then in the final convo via vid-link on Earth, Miranda tells SHEP to be careful. Odd.

And Garrus? On Tuchanka, he's not convinced you can get to the tower. On the Citadel, shooting cans- that's like his last-hurrah, in case he never gets the chance to do it- seemed to me he didn't think he, or you, would survive the war. He has a slightly defeatist attitude the whole game.

Then, at the end, he's talking to another Turian, almost declaring that they were going to WIN... he decides you are "about to kick the Reapers back into whatever black hole they crawled out of", and then retire to a beach, etc and so on.

Whether its associated to IT or not? Nah. Just struck me as weird, that both characters seem to flip completely to an opposite perspective to what they had up to that point... Without any real reason as to why.

Could lend credence to the bad writing argument. Could be nothing. Could be a hint of something being up earlier than we've previously considered.... YOU decide. I'm sleepy. Lol

I wouldnt out to much into those two.

The Miranda one, "Be careful" is a generic phrase used even if you know the person probably wont be able to to adhere to it.

As for Garrus he has several moments where he is less confident than normal throughout the game, but given the gravity of things I dont consider that suprising. But by the end you have done the impossible and gathered an armada forged from just about every intelligent species out there (at least if you did not **** things up completely) and it is the final battle. Off course he will be more fired upthere and besides, wouldnt look good if Garrus was demoralized in front of the troops.

@The two of you:

Well Garrus sort of reverts back to his Mass Effect 1 self in ME3. if you've played the first game, you might recall how much self-doubt he was full of.I think seeing how vast a force Commander Shepard brought together to take the fight to the Reapers, boilstered his confidence.

As for Miranda.Even she acknowledges that she got in over her head at Sanctuary.That was a humbling expeirence for her that she took to heart.So that's why I see her saying to Shep "Be careful." As personal growth on her part and not a 180.

they're about to make the final attack. What else is Miranda going to say?

I actually believe IT is a valid interpretation of the game's events. But people really are beginning to read too much into some things. This is a good example.

[Spiderman_2028]

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Push, because I'm bored and want to talk about something.

I had an off topic question maybe you can answer. Is the 15yr old girl that the suicidal Asari in the hospital is talking about, Joker's sister?

Would be a pretty full on plot point if it was. I like where your head is at, soldier.

However, I recall Traynor(?) telling Joker over comms that all civilians were evacuated from that colony... 

[Earthborn_Shepard]

JustAidan wrote...

Just in case it hadn't been already mentioned. (Sorry thread is too long for me to go through)

Another thread details other times in the past where bioware have been tricky with their players' perceptions.

http://social.biowar...10973597-1.html

DUDE

my brain is spinning in my head right now
what
just what

[Big G13]

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Push, because I'm bored and want to talk about something.

I had an off topic question maybe you can answer. Is the 15yr old girl that the suicidal Asari in the hospital is talking about, Joker's sister?

Would be a pretty full on plot point if it was. I like where your head is at, soldier.

However, I recall Traynor(?) telling Joker over comms that all civilians were evacuated from that colony... 

Yea, when I put that 2 and 2 together I thought it was a little obscure to add up, but I had to ask. Thanks.

[ubermensch007]

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Push, because I'm bored and want to talk about something.

I had an off topic question maybe you can answer. Is the 15yr old girl that the suicidal Asari in the hospital is talking about, Joker's sister?

Would be a pretty full on plot point if it was. I like where your head is at, soldier.

However, I recall Traynor(?) telling Joker over comms that all civilians were evacuated from that colony... 

Nah, Liara is the one who tells Joker that all children were evacuated.And he says Hilliary was 15, so he thinks that she might be okay.

[DirtyPhoenix]

The keepers seem to be immune to my fire at the endgame citadel tunnel. Someone else mentioned you can walk right through them (though I didnt try that).. Strange. Also, can someone point me to best IDT video available? I'm at the starting of my second playthough and would like to look for clues.

Modifié par pirate1802, 04 avril 2012 - 09:15 .

[Skillz1986]

No, it really is Joker's sister. Liara told Joker about the evacuation, but she didn't have any names. Her only information is, that mostly children were evacuated. However, since Joker's sister's name is Hillary, and the Asari also killed a girl named Hillary. We can pretty much assume, that she killed joker's sis.

Off topic:

While replaying me2 i noticed a few things, which i think should have been adressed in me3 at some point, in some way.

The missiin you do on lorek, where you can decide to upload the intel you found either cerberus or the aliance.

How you deal with patriarch should also have some consequences.
These are just two examples. I'm sure there are more thouh

[Earthborn_Shepard]

This has already been mentioned, but few people picked up on it: The fact that, when you're nearing the control panel, it looks like TIM's base, with the giant window and Anderson looks like he's sitting on a computer like TIM always does.

Why would this similarity exist if not for a cause of some kind.

[Spiderman_2028]

legaldinho wrote...

I wrote...
Could lend credence to the bad writing argument. Could be nothing. Could be a hint of something being up earlier than we've previously considered.... YOU decide. I'm sleepy. Lol

I actually believe IT is a valid interpretation of the game's events. But people really are beginning to read too much into some things. This is a good example.

Sorry..Thought I made it clear I wasn't jumping up and down, screaming "I've proven it! I win! This is definitive proof!" 

To me it seemed out of place for characters I thought I'd gotten to know- especially since they contradicted canonical earlier statements. That, and I thought maybe I'd bring up something I'd been pondering, rather than engage in round 417 of "Hey, why didn't the Prothean VI detect Shep (even though no one engaged in an informed discussion of IT is saying he was indoctrinated at that point?)". As above, I wrote it could be nothing. People have shown though they can have some pretty cool ideas from stuff like that in this thread. No blood, no foul:)

Ubermensch007- I'm a PS3 guy, so missed out on ME1- appreciate the Garrus insight thanks! As for Miranda- I stopped romancing her in ME2 and went for Jack. Sad as it is, I thought "Miranda is hot and all, but she can't have kids. I think my Shep would wanna settle down after all this with a family" yeah I'm weird like that... Lol also, I figured Jack needed someone, Miranda just wanted someone.... Damn MEis a great series...!!!

[Spiderman_2028]

Skillz1986 wrote...

No, it really is Joker's sister. Liara told Joker about the evacuation, but she didn't have any names. Her only information is, that mostly children were evacuated. However, since Joker's sister's name is Hillary, and the Asari also killed a girl named Hillary. We can pretty much assume, that she killed joker's sis.

Dude, your memory eats mine for breakfast. Nice pull! Apologies for my misinformation...Skillz is dead on...

That's freaky. But you know, it must be an accident, because Bioware are bad, lazy writers... *cough*garbage*cough*

Note- I wrestled with authorizing the Asari to have a gun. I thought to myself "Well, she started off suicidal... But she talked it out... Maybe she just wants to carry a weapon to feel safe? I probably would after that".

Then I felt crappy, knowing she'd offed herself.

Knowing that there's a very strong chance she killed Jokers' sister? Yeah. I don't feel so bad...

[Vahilor]

I finished the second game yesterday and don't know if that was brought up. When I was on the collector ship and later on the base Shep or Garrus state, that the collectors only can use humans still alive to make them into the Reaper stuff and that not all humans can be used for it (you see some piles of dead people which were sortet out and not used for the human reaper).

Also in the Lair of the Shadowbroker DLC Liara tells us, that the collectors wanted to buy dead Shep from the SB but Liara saved the body and gave it to Cerberus.

I think that's another hint, that the Reapers (Harbinger) want Shep very badly.. and they want him alive in first place... and only want him dead if there is no other way.

[ubermensch007]

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

I wrote...
Could lend credence to the bad writing argument. Could be nothing. Could be a hint of something being up earlier than we've previously considered.... YOU decide. I'm sleepy. Lol

I actually believe IT is a valid interpretation of the game's events. But people really are beginning to read too much into some things. This is a good example.

Sorry..Thought I made it clear I wasn't jumping up and down, screaming "I've proven it! I win! This is definitive proof!" 

To me it seemed out of place for characters I thought I'd gotten to know- especially since they contradicted canonical earlier statements. That, and I thought maybe I'd bring up something I'd been pondering, rather than engage in round 417 of "Hey, why didn't the Prothean VI detect Shep (even though no one engaged in an informed discussion of IT is saying he was indoctrinated at that point?)". As above, I wrote it could be nothing. People have shown though they can have some pretty cool ideas from stuff like that in this thread. No blood, no foul:)

Ubermensch007- I'm a PS3 guy, so missed out on ME1- appreciate the Garrus insight thanks! As for Miranda- I stopped romancing her in ME2 and went for Jack. Sad as it is, I thought "Miranda is hot and all, but she can't have kids. I think my Shep would wanna settle down after all this with a family" yeah I'm weird like that... Lol also, I figured Jack needed someone, Miranda just wanted someone.... Damn MEis a great series...!!!

I think we may have alot in common. Its strange, I once saw Jack as a younger sister, not a lover.And I went from prefering Miranda as a lover to having her as a friend. I totally agree with you about Jack needing someone more than Miranda does.When we first meet Jack, she's sort of down and out.She has no friends, her lover died to save her.She's had a rough time of it. When we first meet Miranda she comes across as very powerful and in control.

What we see in Mass Effect 3.Is a total 180.Now Jack has her sh!t together and Miranda seems to have unraveled somewhat.She doesn't even look as attractive as she once did.Where as Jack looks better than ever!

My Shep loss his family and friends on Mindoir.Became a war hero on Elysium.I too want to talk to Jack about starting a family in a few years.Seeing as how her maternal instinct is full steam ahead.With how protective she is of her students.

[MasterBLASTERpl]

Sorry for my bad english, it used to be better

I found some ref to IT in ME3. After Thessia, we can talk to Joker and during this conversation we can learn that Sheps stress hormones are on peak level, even highter than in the middle of Skyllian Blitz where cmdr was facing 10k Batarians alone.
I wasn't thinking about it, becouse it didn't seem odd. After all we are faceing Reapers and fighting for survival. But than the next mission was on Horizon, where Cerberus, lead by Miranda's father, was studing indoctrination. He found that this proces is connected to high amount of adrenalin in victimes blood and adrenalin is commonly know as a stress hormon.

Well i dont think this is coincident becouse those two informations are given one after another: Thessia - conversation with Joker - Horizon mission.

[Big G13]

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

No, it really is Joker's sister. Liara told Joker about the evacuation, but she didn't have any names. Her only information is, that mostly children were evacuated. However, since Joker's sister's name is Hillary, and the Asari also killed a girl named Hillary. We can pretty much assume, that she killed joker's sis.

Dude, your memory eats mine for breakfast. Nice pull! Apologies for my misinformation...Skillz is dead on...

That's freaky. But you know, it must be an accident, because Bioware are bad, lazy writers... *cough*garbage*cough*

Note- I wrestled with authorizing the Asari to have a gun. I thought to myself "Well, she started off suicidal... But she talked it out... Maybe she just wants to carry a weapon to feel safe? I probably would after that".

Then I felt crappy, knowing she'd offed herself.

Knowing that there's a very strong chance she killed Jokers' sister? Yeah. I don't feel so bad...

Well, ... that sucks. Now I'm bummed. But hey, I asked. My bad. Thanks for the confirmation. I feel bad the Asari. Thats an impossible position to be in, but next play through I just might authorize that gun.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Vahilor wrote...

I finished the second game yesterday and don't know if that was brought up. When I was on the collector ship and later on the base Shep or Garrus state, that the collectors only can use humans still alive to make them into the Reaper stuff and that not all humans can be used for it (you see some piles of dead people which were sortet out and not used for the human reaper).

Also in the Lair of the Shadowbroker DLC Liara tells us, that the collectors wanted to buy dead Shep from the SB but Liara saved the body and gave it to Cerberus.

I think that's another hint, that the Reapers (Harbinger) want Shep very badly.. and they want him alive in first place... and only want him dead if there is no other way.

True and true, and remember, when going through the Collector ship you find piles of dead bodies similar to ones you find in the dark corridor on the Citadel. Depending on what squadmates you bring with you to the ship in ME2 they'll make  comments as to their purpose. Mordin for example will say "Possible control group, or rejects from experiments, useless so discarded," or something along those lines (been ahwile since I brought Mordin on the mission). So it's possible that those piles of dead bodies are the "rejects" to becoming the "Reaper fluid", maybe their genetic material wasn't good enough, maybe they were tainted or their DNA was too altered (i.e. too husk-like from the indoctrination, you don't see any piles of husks to indicate the Reapers possibley making a Reaper from them).

Hmm. Speculation. More to think on.

You make a good point of them wanting Shepard alive for their experiments. Then again...why would the Reaper destroys be trying to kill him/her during Tuchanka and Rannoch... Hmm.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 04 avril 2012 - 10:18 .

[monrapias]

Fhaarkas wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

There there, man. I don't think even EA would allow something like internal videogames to have 'real' world consequences... But, of course, it's EA. 

Why not? It's been done in films before.

But this isn't a film.

[monrapias]

Cucobr wrote...

If anyone has not seen


http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s


mind = blow

Interesting

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But
within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the
way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will
make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

very interesting.