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[nightcobra]

Eshaye wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

probably been talked to death in here but it's still strange to see joker's vrolik syndrom symptoms being shown to the player throughout all the games and then disregarded/thrown out the window in the endings, no amount of luck would let joker survive the normandy crashing like that.

Well for the synthesis ending he would be cured so for that it works. 

and for the other 2 endings, joker would die even if he was harnessed.
even normal people would get at least a few bruises or a broken bone at best, joker would be the person with the least chance of survival. 

[MadRabbit999]

Eshaye wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

probably been talked to death in here but it's still strange to see joker's vrolik syndrom symptoms being shown to the player throughout all the games and then disregarded/thrown out the window in the endings, no amount of luck would let joker survive the normandy crashing like that.

Well for the synthesis ending he would be cured so for that it works. 

Vrolik syndrome is not there to entertain you with a clever outcome, but to show that despite life being incredibly unfair to him, he still makes the best of it, this message is well explained I think (Same with Alenko L2 outdated implants that gives him migranes, doesn;t need to have a "conclusion" it's jsut there to give mroe depth to characters)  also, Joker gets blasted in ME2 a few times and only breaks a couple of ribs, while his spine and legs should have broken on several occasions... he is not made of paper, his bones can just more easily crack, that's all.

Also the syntethis rewrites the DNA, doesn't mean that this new DNA would not present sickness or that his bone are suddenly made of titanium, he has not become a robot.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 04 avril 2012 - 02:14 .

[Skillz1986]

The beam itself (the one leading to the citadel) maybe one of thos reaper in doc devices. i remeber a datapad while crossing noman's land. ot said something like people returning from the beam, not beim themselves anymore. the wanted shepard to reach the beam, in order to indoc the holy ghost out of him.

[LeRavelle]

JustAidan wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Anyone ever thought about the possibility that TIM could have completely rewritten the prothean vi to actually tell shepard what TIM wants it to tell? The vi tells shepard that the citadel is the catalyst because that's where they (tim and reapers) want him to be...just thinking

Yep, I also wondered where TIM is now if IT is true. Mentioned it awhile back in this thread so it is no wonder you haven't seen it. Why take Omega at all?Is TIM on Omega? Did TIM lie to the Reapers and Alliance? And is there a 2nd Crucible? Did TIM make it while the Reapers and Alliance were fighting?

Also, are the Reapers repurposing the Citadel now that the Collector base is destroyed and the Citadel has been fiddled with by the Protheans?

Another thread is speculation that Omega is a leftover Crucible from the Protheans.

Assuming that the above is true, Friday might reveal a lot more game then just a quick ending.

Didn't hackket say TiM was already heading to the Citadel? I believe it was right after the Prothean Vi scene at the base.

[Eshaye]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

probably been talked to death in here but it's still strange to see joker's vrolik syndrom symptoms being shown to the player throughout all the games and then disregarded/thrown out the window in the endings, no amount of luck would let joker survive the normandy crashing like that.

Well for the synthesis ending he would be cured so for that it works. 

Vrolik syndrome is not there to entertain you with a clever outcome, but to show that despite life being incredibly unfair to him, he still makes the best of it, this message is well explained I think (Same with Alenko L2 outdated implants that gives him migranes, doesn;t need to have a "conclusion" it's jsut there to give mroe depth to characters)  also, Joker gets blasted in ME2 a few times and only breaks a couple of ribs, while his spine and legs should have broken on several occasions... he is not made of paper, his bones can just more easily crack, that's all.

Also the syntethis rewrites the DNA, doesn't mean that this new DNA would not present sickness or that his bone are suddenly made of titanium, he has not become a robot.

Did that touch a nerve or something? I'd assume if Joker is now part synthetic that his disease would be gone = "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither" 



Someone, somewhere had asked if all biologicals are now part synthetic does that mean plants and animals too? I would think so yes. Chemistry was never my strong suit but synthetic is just compounds whithout carbon is it not? It's not like everything would be robotic.... 

Modifié par Eshaye, 04 avril 2012 - 02:19 .

[JustAidan]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Love that omega= leftover crucible thing. thought about it too. i mean look at the shape. also i always wondered what the hell cerberus wants on omega, because they seem to be there in force. so what chronos station is gone? There's still a major cerberus presence on omega

TIM definitely had the resources to make a 2nd Cruible, all those refuges going to Sanctuary getting indoctrination/experimented + whatever those refuges owned, could get their hands on etc. Plus he wouldn't have had to fight a galaxy wide war with the Reapers at the same time and could just steal the technical details from double agents in the Alliance.

The only reason that the Alliance knows that the Catalyst is the Citadel is bcause of the VI TIM left in his base.
Why just leave it there? Now, Omega could just be some DLC down the line...but what if it wasn't?

OK, my speculation/prediction is that if IT is true you are recovering in a hospital or being contained after nearly being huskified .

Oh and remember the breathing scene? Don't those metal bar things look a lot like the the stuff that was going into Legion when the Reapers were controlling the Geth through him? (probably been mentioned but just a thought, probably nothing)

[Martukis]

Eshaye wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

probably been talked to death in here but it's still strange to see joker's vrolik syndrom symptoms being shown to the player throughout all the games and then disregarded/thrown out the window in the endings, no amount of luck would let joker survive the normandy crashing like that.

Well for the synthesis ending he would be cured so for that it works. 

Vrolik syndrome is not there to entertain you with a clever outcome, but to show that despite life being incredibly unfair to him, he still makes the best of it, this message is well explained I think (Same with Alenko L2 outdated implants that gives him migranes, doesn;t need to have a "conclusion" it's jsut there to give mroe depth to characters)  also, Joker gets blasted in ME2 a few times and only breaks a couple of ribs, while his spine and legs should have broken on several occasions... he is not made of paper, his bones can just more easily crack, that's all.

Also the syntethis rewrites the DNA, doesn't mean that this new DNA would not present sickness or that his bone are suddenly made of titanium, he has not become a robot.

Did that touch a nerve or something? I'd assume if Joker is now part synthetic that his disease would be gone = "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither"

 I was convinced of this, too, as iirc Joker walks normally out of the SR-2's airlock, but I can't recall how he seems to walk out in the others. If it is Shep's imagination, I could easily seem him imagining Joker being rendered stronger than before.

[JustAidan]

LeRavelle wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Anyone ever thought about the possibility that TIM could have completely rewritten the prothean vi to actually tell shepard what TIM wants it to tell? The vi tells shepard that the citadel is the catalyst because that's where they (tim and reapers) want him to be...just thinking

Yep, I also wondered where TIM is now if IT is true. Mentioned it awhile back in this thread so it is no wonder you haven't seen it. Why take Omega at all?Is TIM on Omega? Did TIM lie to the Reapers and Alliance? And is there a 2nd Crucible? Did TIM make it while the Reapers and Alliance were fighting?

Also, are the Reapers repurposing the Citadel now that the Collector base is destroyed and the Citadel has been fiddled with by the Protheans?

Another thread is speculation that Omega is a leftover Crucible from the Protheans.

Assuming that the above is true, Friday might reveal a lot more game then just a quick ending.

Didn't hackket say TiM was already heading to the Citadel? I believe it was right after the Prothean Vi scene at the base.

Trying to remember now.
!
Wasn't it the *hacked* VI that said it!?

Damn I don't have a save near there.

But even if Hackett said that we never see actually see TIM again if IT is true. Also, how did Hackett know where TIM went there anyway?


Edit: Lol ever since the ending I haven't been trusting what NPCs say in this game anymore

Modifié par JustAidan, 04 avril 2012 - 02:23 .

[Skillz1986]

Can' use the quote funcion with my phone so i'll do it oldschool.

"Oh and remember the breathing scene? Don't those metal bar things look a lot like the the stuff that was going into Legion when the Reapers were controlling the Geth through him? (probably been mentioned but just a thought, probably nothing)"

After being huskified (or tried to) in that beam/indoc device...

[Leonia]

For what it's worth, the "beam" looks very similar to the terraforming devices the geth used in some missions in ME2 (in the Firewalker DLC). I'm not convinced it's an indoctrination device, most likely it is a Conduit-like relay that may or may not link to the Citadel.

[DirtyPhoenix]

If it has been confirmed that Normandy never made it to the Sol relay, does thaat mean that paradise planet has to be somewhere in our system?

[JustAidan]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Can' use the quote funcion with my phone so i'll do it oldschool.

"Oh and remember the breathing scene? Don't those metal bar things look a lot like the the stuff that was going into Legion when the Reapers were controlling the Geth through him? (probably been mentioned but just a thought, probably nothing)"

After being huskified (or tried to) in that beam/indoc device...

Right, another prediction/speculation.

Again if IT is true:

We have Shepard dealing with Reaper voices in his head during a crucil moment. At this stage many people are feeling the effects of indoctrination/huskification etc. Shepard has trouble fighting off the Reaper voices and is only through the background voices of his comrades that help him drown out the Reaper voices that he can proceed.

Ala Shiala's indoctrination fought off by the voices of the Zhu's Hope colonists.

Edit: I am guessing a fair bit here just so I can say "I totally called it" later and swell my ego a bit

Modifié par JustAidan, 04 avril 2012 - 02:30 .

[LeRavelle]

Martukis wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

probably been talked to death in here but it's still strange to see joker's vrolik syndrom symptoms being shown to the player throughout all the games and then disregarded/thrown out the window in the endings, no amount of luck would let joker survive the normandy crashing like that.

Well for the synthesis ending he would be cured so for that it works. 

Vrolik syndrome is not there to entertain you with a clever outcome, but to show that despite life being incredibly unfair to him, he still makes the best of it, this message is well explained I think (Same with Alenko L2 outdated implants that gives him migranes, doesn;t need to have a "conclusion" it's jsut there to give mroe depth to characters)  also, Joker gets blasted in ME2 a few times and only breaks a couple of ribs, while his spine and legs should have broken on several occasions... he is not made of paper, his bones can just more easily crack, that's all.

Also the syntethis rewrites the DNA, doesn't mean that this new DNA would not present sickness or that his bone are suddenly made of titanium, he has not become a robot.

Did that touch a nerve or something? I'd assume if Joker is now part synthetic that his disease would be gone = "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither"

 I was convinced of this, too, as iirc Joker walks normally out of the SR-2's airlock, but I can't recall how he seems to walk out in the others. If it is Shep's imagination, I could easily seem him imagining Joker being rendered stronger than before.

The whole joker walking out part was odd to me, the dude has a severe bone decease that break at the slightest bump, how is someone like him crash a space ship in to a planet full of trees and survive without a a scratch.

People also said they hear the reapers make a growling or howling sound when you object or go against them, say at the beginning you hear when Anderson talks you out of the illusion, and at the end when you break free for a moment and say something,  in the third ME book it also occurs, that resisting them makes them angry and make that noise.

There also folks saying Indoctrination isn't like mind control, which isn't true, they're able to control you like a meat puppet while they have full control.

Modifié par LeRavelle, 04 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[Skillz1986]

Yeah, but reaper tech will always resemble other reaper tech. good point nevertheless. but as i said, that datapad which can be found while fighting through noman's land (or was it on your way to anderson?) statessomething like "the people coming back from there are not themselves anymore" i don't know about you. but to it sounds less like teleporting and more like indoctrinating. could be nothimg though. just love to brainstorm with all of you.

[schneeland]

JustAidan wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Anyone ever thought about the possibility that TIM could have completely rewritten the prothean vi to actually tell shepard what TIM wants it to tell? The vi tells shepard that the citadel is the catalyst because that's where they (tim and reapers) want him to be...just thinking

Yep, I also wondered where TIM is now if IT is true. Mentioned it awhile back in this thread so it is no wonder you haven't seen it. Why take Omega at all?Is TIM on Omega? Did TIM lie to the Reapers and Alliance? And is there a 2nd Crucible? Did TIM make it while the Reapers and Alliance were fighting?

Also, are the Reapers repurposing the Citadel now that the Collector base is destroyed and the Citadel has been fiddled with by the Protheans?

Another thread is speculation that Omega is a leftover Crucible from the Protheans.

Assuming that the above is true, Friday might reveal a lot more game then just a quick ending.

Didn't hackket say TiM was already heading to the Citadel? I believe it was right after the Prothean Vi scene at the base.

Trying to remember now.
!
Wasn't it the *hacked* VI that said it!?

Damn I don't have a save near there.

But even if Hackett said that we never see actually see TIM again if IT is true. Also, how did Hackett know where TIM went there anyway?


Edit: Lol ever since the ending I haven't been trusting what NPCs say in this game anymore

I is the hacked VI. Take a loot at http://www.youtube.c...8-6q5cAE#t=255s (should start at 4:15).

In retrospective that sounds like a f**king trap.

Modifié par schneeland, 04 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[MadRabbit999]

Martukis wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

probably been talked to death in here but it's still strange to see joker's vrolik syndrom symptoms being shown to the player throughout all the games and then disregarded/thrown out the window in the endings, no amount of luck would let joker survive the normandy crashing like that.

Well for the synthesis ending he would be cured so for that it works. 

Vrolik syndrome is not there to entertain you with a clever outcome, but to show that despite life being incredibly unfair to him, he still makes the best of it, this message is well explained I think (Same with Alenko L2 outdated implants that gives him migranes, doesn;t need to have a "conclusion" it's jsut there to give mroe depth to characters)  also, Joker gets blasted in ME2 a few times and only breaks a couple of ribs, while his spine and legs should have broken on several occasions... he is not made of paper, his bones can just more easily crack, that's all.

Also the syntethis rewrites the DNA, doesn't mean that this new DNA would not present sickness or that his bone are suddenly made of titanium, he has not become a robot.

Did that touch a nerve or something? I'd assume if Joker is now part synthetic that his disease would be gone = "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither"

 I was convinced of this, too, as iirc Joker walks normally out of the SR-2's airlock, but I can't recall how he seems to walk out in the others. If it is Shep's imagination, I could easily seem him imagining Joker being rendered stronger than before.

If Joker walked out fine, it would have made no sense..

It is Sci-fi.. I agree.. but there still logics behind this:

Vrolik syndrome (Which is a real thing called Osteogenesis imperfecta or Brittle Bone disease) is in the DNA by birth, so he slowly develops it in his body as he grows up from childhood, bones get weaker and weaker.

He becomes Synthetic, meaning his DNA is rewritten, but it doesn't mean his bones magically "fill up" with space magic goodness... the illness might have gone from his DNA but his body will not magically heal because he's got a few glow lines running across his body.

Also his eye's sclera should be darker (Another symptom of this disease, but this is never shown in game).

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 04 avril 2012 - 02:35 .

[Skillz1986]

I really think we're on to something here (totally ignoring the 1000 hints before that )

[llbountyhunter]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Love that omega= leftover crucible thing. thought about it too. i mean look at the shape. also i always wondered what the hell cerberus wants on omega, because they seem to be there in force. so what chronos station is gone? There's still a major cerberus presence on omega

...that....
is very interesting! Haven't heard that one yet..
I gotta admit that when I first saw the crucible I was like "LOL Space ******!"

Well I read the mass effect book (I know, I know) and it was stated that omega was made of the sane near-indestructable material of the mass relays and citadel- made by the reapers. Of course this could support the idea of the crucible being a reaper Trojan horse....

[Chyliss]

What if Shepard is the only one who ISN'T indoctrinated?

Javik had that problem, his squad were all indoctrinated and he had to kill them when he figured it out. Poor guy.

PS: I don't really think that, just throwing it out there for shiggles.

[LeRavelle]

schneeland wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Anyone ever thought about the possibility that TIM could have completely rewritten the prothean vi to actually tell shepard what TIM wants it to tell? The vi tells shepard that the citadel is the catalyst because that's where they (tim and reapers) want him to be...just thinking

Yep, I also wondered where TIM is now if IT is true. Mentioned it awhile back in this thread so it is no wonder you haven't seen it. Why take Omega at all?Is TIM on Omega? Did TIM lie to the Reapers and Alliance? And is there a 2nd Crucible? Did TIM make it while the Reapers and Alliance were fighting?

Also, are the Reapers repurposing the Citadel now that the Collector base is destroyed and the Citadel has been fiddled with by the Protheans?

Another thread is speculation that Omega is a leftover Crucible from the Protheans.

Assuming that the above is true, Friday might reveal a lot more game then just a quick ending.

Didn't hackket say TiM was already heading to the Citadel? I believe it was right after the Prothean Vi scene at the base.

Trying to remember now.
!
Wasn't it the *hacked* VI that said it!?

Damn I don't have a save near there.

But even if Hackett said that we never see actually see TIM again if IT is true. Also, how did Hackett know where TIM went there anyway?


Edit: Lol ever since the ending I haven't been trusting what NPCs say in this game anymore

I is the hacked VI. Take a loot at http://www.youtube.c...8-6q5cAE#t=255s (should start at 4:15).

In retrospective that sounds like a f**king trap.

Oh it was the VI that told shep TiM fled to the citadel not hackket, my bad. Still though why would he flee to the citadel, center point of all convlict, woudn't he better flee to a empty system.

[Skillz1986]

Could somone pleas confirm or bash that datapad thing. i just don't remeber exactly what it said. maybe i'm completely off with this idea.

[Skillz1986]

" Oh it was the VI that told shep TiM fled to the citadel not hackket, my bad. Still though why would he flee to the citadel, center point of all convlict, woudn't he better flee to a empty system."

Well that's just it. he didn't. he wants you to believe he did, because that's where he wants you to be.

[JustAidan]

schneeland wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Anyone ever thought about the possibility that TIM could have completely rewritten the prothean vi to actually tell shepard what TIM wants it to tell? The vi tells shepard that the citadel is the catalyst because that's where they (tim and reapers) want him to be...just thinking

Yep, I also wondered where TIM is now if IT is true. Mentioned it awhile back in this thread so it is no wonder you haven't seen it. Why take Omega at all?Is TIM on Omega? Did TIM lie to the Reapers and Alliance? And is there a 2nd Crucible? Did TIM make it while the Reapers and Alliance were fighting?

Also, are the Reapers repurposing the Citadel now that the Collector base is destroyed and the Citadel has been fiddled with by the Protheans?

Another thread is speculation that Omega is a leftover Crucible from the Protheans.

Assuming that the above is true, Friday might reveal a lot more game then just a quick ending.

Didn't hackket say TiM was already heading to the Citadel? I believe it was right after the Prothean Vi scene at the base.

Trying to remember now.
!
Wasn't it the *hacked* VI that said it!?

Damn I don't have a save near there.

But even if Hackett said that we never see actually see TIM again if IT is true. Also, how did Hackett know where TIM went there anyway?


Edit: Lol ever since the ending I haven't been trusting what NPCs say in this game anymore

I is the hacked VI. Take a loot at http://www.youtube.c...8-6q5cAE#t=255s (should start at 4:15).

In retrospective that sounds like a f**king trap.

Dun Dun DUUUUNNNN.

Still this is totally speculation with so little if any evidence for it. But I am not going to be surprised later if it truns out to be true, if does it would probably be obvious afterwards

[Tirian Thorn]

On Omega:
Why would Cerberus want to take over Omega?
Trade?
Another Base?
or
A third thing? :-p
Cerberus is risking a serious amount of resources in attacking, capturing and holding Omega. They have a fleet, ground troops, etc.
There has to be a reason for it. Additionally, there has to be a reason it was mentioned and made part of the story. If the DEVS didn’t want to re-do Omega for ME3 they could have come up with numerous reasons for Aria to be on the Citadel.

If Cerberus just wanted another base they could have built another one. Maybe it is actually more cost-effective to attack Omega than build a space station of that size. But as pointed out previously, its shape is very similar to that of the Crucible. Perhaps it is a Crucible that was constructed by the Protheans or another race.
And if TIM & Cerberus were bent on using it to control the reapers then it would also be highly probable that TIM reprogrammed the Prothean VI to send Shepard and the Alliance to earth & the Citadel and risk their Crucible in a vain attempt to stop them. This would give TIM time to complete his plans. Perhaps this is why after the “ending” the save game takes you back to just before assaulting the Cerberus base.

[Leonia]

The Invasion comics make it clear that Cerberus wants to control traffic between Omega and the Omega-4 relay. But there could be more to it than that.