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Skillz1986 wrote...

Could somone pleas confirm or bash that datapad thing. i just don't remeber exactly what it said. maybe i'm completely off with this idea.


What datapad thing is this? Sorry, late to the party and I can't be bothered looking for the original post.

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A datapad you can find while fughting through noman's land (or on your way to anderson after landing on earth). it say something like "the people coming back from thee are not themselves anymore) refering to the beam. which i think is not a teleport beam or one way mass relay, but a reaper indoc device.

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JustAidan wrote...

schneeland wrote...

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I is the hacked VI. Take a loot at http://www.youtube.c...8-6q5cAE#t=255s (should start at 4:15).

In retrospective that sounds like a f**king trap.


Dun Dun DUUUUNNNN.

Still this is totally speculation with so little if any evidence for it. But I am not going to be surprised later if it truns out to be true, if does it would probably be obvious afterwards :)


Yeah, quite a lot of speculation (for everybody). But I think I would like that twist, because I totally bought into this: "Citadel is the catalyst. So let's go and throw all our resources there". If that was a trap, it would be a darn good one.

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Skillz1986 wrote...

A datapad you can find while fughting through noman's land (or on your way to anderson after landing on earth). it say something like "the people coming back from thee are not themselves anymore) refering to the beam. which i think is not a teleport beam or one way mass relay, but a reaper indoc device.


My memories say: yes, it was there - somewhere in the middle to last quarter of the mission.

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No. I remember it as well. Deffinetly there, plus there was the datapad in the medic bay of the Resistence base which basically said a lot of creepy stuff but ended with something like 'I have to get through the beam. No matter what'.

EDIT: My parapharse doesn't cut it. Doesn't sound indoctrinated or mindscrewy enought, but it was basically abouta civilian slowely getting the urge that he has to get to the conduit.

Modifié par Macross, 04 avril 2012 - 02:52 .


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So...while onlyspeculation, it seems to make sense:
1. Illusive man gets the intel he needs from the prothean vi..deletes it and creates a decoy one, to lure shepard and the allied forces into a trap, while he is away getting his cerberus on.
2. Omega (which looks like the crucible) is in fact a leftover crucible built by the protheans, is currently occupied by cerberus forces.
3. The beam is in fact a reaper indoc device (huskification device...whatever). And as hrby always wanted shepard, he used the indoctrinated tim to lure shepard right into that thing.

Am i missing something?

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Hello folks - any DREAM SHATTERING news today ??

Its 4-4-12 after all !!

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What confuses me that the reaper use their reaper tech and indoc devices to evolve species beyond their organic limitations, they say clearly that by doing this the vessel is now a superior being, evolved beyond any species, but they keep raging on about destroying every too highly evolved species to prevent chaos.

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Skillz1986 wrote...

So...while onlyspeculation, it seems to make sense:
1. Illusive man gets the intel he needs from the prothean vi..deletes it and creates a decoy one, to lure shepard and the allied forces into a trap, while he is away getting his cerberus on.
2. Omega (which looks like the crucible) is in fact a leftover crucible built by the protheans, is currently occupied by cerberus forces.
3. The beam is in fact a reaper indoc device (huskification device...whatever). And as hrby always wanted shepard, he used the indoctrinated tim to lure shepard right into that thing.

Am i missing something?


Well I read the mass effect book and it was stated that omega was made of the same near-indestructable material of the mass relays and citadel- so it couldnt of been made by the protheans- it was made by the reapers.

edit: i looked this up, and it seems to contradict what the book said (wierd.)

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 04 avril 2012 - 03:02 .


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This would the fit the idea that the crucible is a reaper trojan horse. but..the current crucible also has reaper tech/material in it. Seebs to be a neccessary ingredient.
As i said..all just speculation. even if it turns out to be crap, it's still fun evolving such ideas with you folks. definitely better than working...which i should slowly but surel get back to.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

So...while onlyspeculation, it seems to make sense:
1. Illusive man gets the intel he needs from the prothean vi..deletes it and creates a decoy one, to lure shepard and the allied forces into a trap, while he is away getting his cerberus on.
2. Omega (which looks like the crucible) is in fact a leftover crucible built by the protheans, is currently occupied by cerberus forces.
3. The beam is in fact a reaper indoc device (huskification device...whatever). And as hrby always wanted shepard, he used the indoctrinated tim to lure shepard right into that thing.

Am i missing something?


Well I read the mass effect book and it was stated that omega was made of the same near-indestructable material of the mass relays and citadel- so it couldnt of been made by the protheans- it was made by the reapers.

edit: i looked this up, and it seems to contradict what the book said (wierd.)
 http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Omega 




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Angmir wrote...

Hello folks - any DREAM SHATTERING news today ??

Its 4-4-12 after all !!


I don't think there has been an official announcement, but I - and many others - think that an announcement about the endings will be made at PAX this weekend.  (Penny Arcade eXpo) 

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Tirian Thorn wrote...

On Omega:
Why would Cerberus want to take over Omega?
Trade?
Another Base?
or
A third thing? :-p
Cerberus is risking a serious amount of resources in attacking, capturing and holding Omega. They have a fleet, ground troops, etc.
There has to be a reason for it. Additionally, there has to be a reason it was mentioned and made part of the story. If the DEVS didn’t want to re-do Omega for ME3 they could have come up with numerous reasons for Aria to be on the Citadel.

If Cerberus just wanted another base they could have built another one. Maybe it is actually more cost-effective to attack Omega than build a space station of that size. But as pointed out previously, its shape is very similar to that of the Crucible. Perhaps it is a Crucible that was constructed by the Protheans or another race.
And if TIM & Cerberus were bent on using it to control the reapers then it would also be highly probable that TIM reprogrammed the Prothean VI to send Shepard and the Alliance to earth & the Citadel and risk their Crucible in a vain attempt to stop them. This would give TIM time to complete his plans. Perhaps this is why after the “ending” the save game takes you back to just before assaulting the Cerberus base.


Yep, would have been easy for the devs to have Aria say "Reapers got Omega".
Plus the Prothean were all for hidding stuff all the time, maybe they hid their Crucible inside Omega until thousands of years later it got cracked open by an asteriod.

leonia42 wrote...

The Invasion comics make it clear that
Cerberus wants to control traffic between Omega and the Omega-4 relay.
But there could be more to it than that.


Or it could just be the above :) But why would it keep it after doing what they want at the Collector base.



Oh by the way PAX is also the Star system just before you go Assualt TIM's base. =D

Modifié par JustAidan, 04 avril 2012 - 03:06 .


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Honestly, everything starting with the Citadel moving off screen strikes me as the setup for a trap.

And I'm not even sure that that is the Citadel we see over Earth. The reapers built one, so why couldn't they build another? Heck, the "original" was malfunctioning anyway.

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in Invasion Cerberus and the reapers already have Omega iirc and is why Aria fled to the Citadel and took over Citadels dance club.

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JustAidan wrote...

Oh by the way PAX is also the Star system just before you go Assualt TIM's base. =D



That's VERY interesting.  (In my best Jack Sparrow voice) 

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llbountyhunter wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

So...while onlyspeculation, it seems to make sense:
1. Illusive man gets the intel he needs from the prothean vi..deletes it and creates a decoy one, to lure shepard and the allied forces into a trap, while he is away getting his cerberus on.
2. Omega (which looks like the crucible) is in fact a leftover crucible built by the protheans, is currently occupied by cerberus forces.
3. The beam is in fact a reaper indoc device (huskification device...whatever). And as hrby always wanted shepard, he used the indoctrinated tim to lure shepard right into that thing.

Am i missing something?


Well I read the mass effect book and it was stated that omega was made of the same near-indestructable material of the mass relays and citadel- so it couldnt of been made by the protheans- it was made by the reapers.

edit: i looked this up, and it seems to contradict what the book said (wierd.)
 http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Omega 



Remember that the in-game Codex is what people know at that point, Sovereign
 was once described as a "Geth ship".

The prothean did make themselves a mini mass relay (the conduit). Perhaps they hid something inside Omega =D.

"Lots of speculation from everyone"

I am actually looking forward to Friday more than I was to ME3's release date.

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Tirian Thorn wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

Oh by the way PAX is also the Star system just before you go Assualt TIM's base. =D



That's VERY interesting.  (In my best Jack Sparrow voice) 


It also means Peace in Latin or a period in history marked by the absence of major wars, usually imposed by a predominant nation.

But now we're stretching things aren't we?

Modifié par LeRavelle, 04 avril 2012 - 03:12 .


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LeRavelle wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

Oh by the way PAX is also the Star system just before you go Assualt TIM's base. =D



That's VERY interesting.  (In my best Jack Sparrow voice) 


It also means Peace in Latin or a period in history marked by the absence of major wars, usually imposed by a predominant nation.

But now we're stretching things aren't we?


I can't see Tycho and/or Gabe having anything to do with peace. 

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Maybe..maybe not. could be an easter egg, a hint or mere coincidence. but as i said, speculation is what this thread here is about. so i think "stretching it" is one of the few things we can do at this point, since all the major hints have already been founf by the brilliant minds who created It. as lomg as "stretching it" is in some way reasonable and comprehensible..it's perfectly fine i think.

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LeRavelle wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

Oh by the way PAX is also the Star system just before you go Assualt TIM's base. =D



That's VERY interesting.  (In my best Jack Sparrow voice) 


It also means Peace in Latin or a period in history marked by the absence of major wars, usually imposed by a predominant nation.

But now we're stretching things aren't we?


"Lots of Speculation".....but yeah I don't even think that I had anything to begin with :D

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Or we could ONCE AGAIN discuss why the prothean vi did not detect shepards indoctrination on thessia, since it's one of the other activities this thread seems to entertain. i would prefer totally bstract lines of thoughts to that.

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Tirian Thorn wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

Oh by the way PAX is also the Star system just before you go Assualt TIM's base. =D



That's VERY interesting.  (In my best Jack Sparrow voice) 


It also means Peace in Latin or a period in history marked by the absence of major wars, usually imposed by a predominant nation.

But now we're stretching things aren't we?


I can't see Tycho and/or Gabe having anything to do with peace. 


QFT.  Holy ****.  The guys that coined the phrase "I wish I could hate you to death."

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pirate1802 wrote...

If it has been confirmed that Normandy never made it to the Sol relay, does thaat mean that paradise planet has to be somewhere in our system?


Can anyone kindly answer this?

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pirate1802 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

If it has been confirmed that Normandy never made it to the Sol relay, does thaat mean that paradise planet has to be somewhere in our system?


Can anyone kindly answer this?


Or the Conduit didn't go to the Citadel (yeah, I know, keep bringing the idea up..)